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Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jul 10 11:47:53 2012 . . .in wake of SCOTUS rulingTPM Americans are now evenly split over the Affordable Care Act, according to a new poll released Tuesday. In the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll, 47 percent say they support the measure signed into law by President Barack Obama in 2010, while 47 percent are opposed. The health care overhaul has gained support since the ABC News/Washington Post survey in April, when 53 percent were opposed to “Obamacare” and only 39 percent supported the law. There’s a comparable split when it comes to opinon of the Supreme Court’s decision to uphold the Affordable Care Act: 42 percent approve of the court’s ruling, compared with 44 percent who disapprove. Link text HEALTH CARE – On another issue, health care, the candidates’ best path is unclear. While Obama shows no advantage on the issue, his law itself has gotten something of a boost – Americans now divide evenly on it, 47-47 percent, support-oppose. It was 39-53 percent in April, before the Supreme Court upheld the law’s individual mandate. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 10 11:54:30 2012, in response to Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jul 10 11:47:53 2012. Good to see it's becoming a non-issue that will only harm the republicans. Saw another mention about it.....seems Boner's buddies are having a hard time keeping their own together for another pointless waste of time and taxpayer money repeal vote, that isn't going to see the light of day once filibustered in the Senate. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jul 10 11:56:47 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 10 11:54:30 2012. Many GOP Congresspeople in swing districts are wavering on "repeal and replace." |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 10 12:00:44 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jul 10 11:56:47 2012. That's because they have nothing to replace with, being that ACA is the republican plan to begin with. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jul 10 12:27:59 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jul 10 11:56:47 2012. I think repeal will still pass the House this year and again in January. But even if the Republicans take the Seante and the Presidency I wouldn't be so sure of Susan Collins. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 10 19:25:09 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by AlM on Tue Jul 10 12:27:59 2012. Repeal & Replace is impossible because there is no "Replace"Firstoff, Obamacare IS a Republican plan that got no Republican votes, since it transcends from Romneycare and Dolecare, WITH the Mandate as insisted upon by the Heritage Foundation in 1993 to combat the freeloaders in the Emergency Rooms and Hospitals. Secondly, cherry-picking the popular parts of "26-year-olds" and "no pre-existing condition" discrimination sans Mandate is actuarially/mathematically impossible. The risk pool isn't there for an for-profit insurance company and it isn't going to happen unless there is a Public Option or Single Payer System. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jul 10 19:39:34 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 10 19:25:09 2012. IAWTP |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jul 10 19:42:08 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 10 19:25:09 2012. I want to see how Romney is going to defend himself against this in the debates. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 10 20:09:36 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 10 19:25:09 2012. Repeal and replace is no longer a practical option. There has to be surgical repair of that which is viable and excise that which is not. I think that the Republican platform will move in this direction and continue to push the failed economy as its major "silver bullet". |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Tue Jul 10 20:47:12 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 10 20:09:36 2012. I think we should replace Obamacare with Romneycare. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 10 20:49:48 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by Italianstallion on Tue Jul 10 20:47:12 2012. And I think that by extension we should replace Obama with Romney. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jul 10 20:52:44 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 10 19:25:09 2012. I was talking about total repeal without replacement. Killing the popular parts too and just being left with nothing. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 10 21:12:37 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jul 10 19:42:08 2012. He can't. He put all his marbles in the SC calling it unconstitutional so he could use that single state argument.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 10 21:28:13 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 10 19:25:09 2012. Exactly. I see a public option happening once we have a Democratic House and Senate again. Maybe next year. It would make the ACA system inherently fair. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 10 21:29:14 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by Italianstallion on Tue Jul 10 20:47:12 2012. There's no difference. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 10 21:36:13 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 10 21:29:14 2012. I suspect that was his point. :) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 10 21:51:39 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 10 21:36:13 2012. Let's hope Romney wins so states can get an exemption from Obamacare. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 10 22:29:28 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 10 21:51:39 2012. Yeah, that'll do the trick. Maybe he can offshore all those doctors too. :) |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 10 22:34:36 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 10 21:51:39 2012. Given that the President now has a 6 point lead , I'd suggest not holding your breath. Although you'll be able to get medical care when you turn blue, that may not now work in your state. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 10 23:09:36 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jul 10 19:42:08 2012. I want tosee how Willard will defend himself on any issue in the debates. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jul 10 23:11:44 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 10 23:09:36 2012. obama will eat him up |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 10 23:19:13 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 10 22:29:28 2012. let's hope the Republicans find a way to give states a waiver. i hope they take the Congress with Democrats having the White House only.with Obama in office, unemployment will at no time dip below 8% and could go back to 9% when he leaves office in 2016. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 10 23:34:15 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 10 23:19:13 2012. If the republicans stay, watch it go back up past 10. :( |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Tue Jul 10 23:51:50 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 10 20:49:48 2012. Weak. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 11 00:41:22 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 10 23:34:15 2012. that would be the worst thing to happen.If Obama had not wasted time on Obamacare in his first term, the GOP probably would not have made such strong gains in the midterm. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 11 00:45:23 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 11 00:41:22 2012. People believed the tea party when the EU was throwing everyone in the streets about "austerity" bringing back the economy instead of "stimulus" ... of course now that they've been in for two years, most folks see the GOP/EU agenda for the bullshit it is. Hell ... even the FRENCH caught on. Whoops. :) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 11 00:54:44 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 11 00:45:23 2012. The states that elected Americans in the 2010 midterms seem to be doing well as far as unemployment. especially here in Florida. that's one thing that might make Florida a tight race in November. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 11 02:26:31 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 11 00:54:44 2012. Yeah ... if stocking a Wal*Mart and calling the cops is your idea of living. :)We're doing fabulously here in upstate New York's "tech valley" thank you ... us UN-Americans are quite happy thumbing our noses at the republicans and cashing checks. (grin) |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 11 20:05:40 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 10 23:09:36 2012. He very seldom strays anywhere from Fox Noise. He does not know what to say or think until the Koch Brothers or Karl Rove tell. They will not be there to give him cue cards during the debates. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 11 20:09:54 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 11 00:41:22 2012. That wasn't it. They expected Obama to wave a magic wand and make unemployment go to 5%. It's impossible. This was not a business cycle recession - it was a financial collapse spurred by a real estate collapse. It will take 10 years.Spain's government was running surpluses until a few years ago when their real estate market collapse. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 11 20:43:49 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 10 23:09:36 2012. what issues?off shore accounts? plenty of top ranking Democrats must have them too. Debbie Wassermann Schultz has already been exposed. Romneycare? Who cares? He's promising to destroy Obamacare and that gets him my vote regardless of what he did as Massachusetts governor. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Wed Jul 11 22:24:27 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 11 20:43:49 2012. Oooooh, Debbie Waserman- Schultz has an offshore account! (if she does) |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 12 08:45:33 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 11 20:43:49 2012. Well I guess you like paying for freeloaders in the emergency room out of your premiums. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 12 08:51:59 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 12 08:45:33 2012. I don't have health insurance. I pay as I go. That's why I'm against being forced to buy the insurance.Every year I say I'm going to buy it but never do. And nothing goes wrong. The element of society flooding ER's for free services still won't pay in 2014. They will get it for free. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 12 09:41:14 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 12 08:51:59 2012. They will get it for free.So will you if something happens to you. Hope not but could happen. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 12 09:58:37 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 12 08:51:59 2012. You don't get it. The people forced to "flooding ER's for free services" first of all do NOT get free services, all they do is stabilize their condition (which is what is legally required) and send them home.They don't even set broken bones, aircasts merely stabilize a break and relieve pain until properly set.Once ACA is going in 2014, all those people will be able to get medical care in a doctor's office, which means most won't need to head to the ER....chronic conditions will be mitigated through ongoing treatment...read the linked article to find out why people with Type 2 diabetes will get treatment OUTSIDE of emergencies, and that such treatment PREVENTS ER visits to begin with. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 12 17:29:47 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 12 08:51:59 2012. Don't think for a minute it is just the "element" or "those people" in the ER. If and when your job gets exported to India or China, or simply get excessed, you go on Cobra for 18 months, and then you get nothing or it will cost $8K a year if they don't refuse you.Sooner or later you will have to pay for something expensive because you are not immortal. Colonoscopies start at $2,000. You could break a wrist very easily. You should be getting a blood analysis annually. When , not if , you (and everyone else) gets a stroke, heart attack, or cancer, once you run your assets down to zero, you will declare personal bankruptcy, which is basically debt forgiveness, because lack of health insurance is the leading cause of it, and then we will all subsidize your debts. That's why it has to be mandatory. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 13 00:36:52 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 12 09:41:14 2012. So will you if something happens to you.I won't get anything for free. I would have to pay. Under Obamacare, I will have to buy insurance or pay a fine. If something happens I'm still on my own. Only difference is that in 2014 I'll pay a special tax for taking the risk. Hope not but could happen. You're right. I'm still relatively young and haven't purchased my own insurance figuring and hoping nothing will happen. Can't live like that forever. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Jul 13 08:32:10 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 13 00:36:52 2012. You won't get taken care of totally for free but you won't pay the full cost that insurance would pick up the tab for either.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 13 09:58:51 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 13 00:36:52 2012. Under Obamacare, I will have to buy insurance or pay a fine.You don't have to do anything. There is no fine and there is no mandate. Never was. If there were, the SCOTUS would have found it unconstitutional and five Justices explained why. Only difference is that in 2014 I'll pay a special tax for taking the risk. No you're not. Taxes are rising by 2.5% for everybody. What you are doing is turning down a tax deduction of equal amount plus more tax credits on top of that. This has been explained to you time and time again,most recently by Chief Justice John Roberts yet you continue to get your info from Hate Radio. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 13 11:58:33 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by Fred G on Fri Jul 13 08:32:10 2012. Doctors can have a price for cash and one for insurance companies just like a gas station can have a differential between paying cash vs. credit.Most doctors I've been to in Florida have charged the full rate. Dentists too. About $150 per visit and about $125 per cavity. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 13 12:00:29 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 13 09:58:51 2012. You don't have to do anything.LOL. What you are doing is turning down a tax deduction of equal amount plus more tax credits on top of that. How do you know I'll qualify for the deduction. Are you sure everyone will be eligible? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 14 04:37:20 2012, in response to Re: Obamacare support jumps 6 points - now even split, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 13 09:58:51 2012. FYI, Obama is now calling it a tax. He said so today in Virginia.There will be no economic recovery in this country when he wins. May never recover. |
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