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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 30 22:41:30 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:06:48 2012. They must be getting things mixed up with the USSR's constitution again.Or maybe it's the constitution of Red China, what with so many people in Washington DC so close to those bourgeois dictators, I mean working class heroes:
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jun 30 22:44:24 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best - Still, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 22:32:46 2012. First of all, any type of "forced" healthcare by the Government (which I'm against) should be for catastrophic hospitalization, and NOT for routine doctor's visits. I can see insurance for hospitalization but people should be able to pay for routine doctor's visits. What ever happened to individual responsibility?As far as the ADA and smoking regulations, water always seeks it's level. In other words there will always be businesses that will cover what others don't, just like price wars. This is America, not Europe. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jun 30 22:47:13 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best - Still, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 30 22:33:56 2012. I haven't come back from anywhere. I am an independent thinker, right leaning of course, but I don't follow any particular line. There are times I will go against the Limbaugh/Hannity line. But thanks for the welcome anyway. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 30 22:48:52 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 13:18:37 2012. Pelosi's a woman; she can't legislate for an Iranian-style government. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 30 22:48:55 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:20:41 2012. Conscription is still on the books.You must have never heard of the Selective Service and the Special Skills Draft (which also includes women). |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 22:49:42 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 22:37:52 2012. You have health care. Hardly the same :) |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 30 22:51:51 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best - Still, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jun 30 22:44:24 2012. All I ever wanted to see is that you don't lose your house just because you were unlucky enough to get sick. But I can see paying for preventive care to keep small problems from becoming big ones.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 30 22:51:57 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best - Still, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jun 30 22:47:13 2012. Just what is the "Limbaugh/Hannity line"? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 30 22:55:08 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 20:09:32 2012. You said that conscription was called for in the constitution. I say it is not specifically mentioned.ahhh....your old SDS self comes out. The power to involuntarily draft Americans into military service is found in Congress's powers under Section 8, 12-16 12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years; 13: To provide and maintain a Navy; 14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces; 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; 16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; According to your logic, the US Air Force is unconstitutional because that text does not mention it. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 22:57:28 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 30 22:41:30 2012. Mixed up is putting it mildly |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 30 22:58:49 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 30 11:13:23 2012. Imagine what he would have said had it went the other way and President Obama had said what he said. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 22:58:58 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 30 22:48:55 2012. Duh, travis, it may be on the books but it's not in the constitution, which is what the discussion is about. Try and keep up. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 30 23:00:01 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 30 11:56:34 2012. They were more interesting when they were know as the Mississippi Chapter of the Christian Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 30 23:03:50 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 13:18:37 2012. They ruled on the entire law dumbass.Read the decision. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 30 23:04:16 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 30 23:00:01 2012. You couldn't tell who they were tho. They wore those costumes.your pal Fred |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 23:05:11 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 30 22:55:08 2012. Where is conscription mentioned in the constitution? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 23:07:29 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 30 23:03:50 2012. Hey schmuck, the issue under debate were the individual mandate and the expansion of Medicaid. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 23:16:10 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jun 30 22:07:41 2012. I would disagree with him about the minimum wage. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 23:20:24 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 23:05:11 2012. Exactly. That says nothing about involuntary service. The constitution is all about the rights of the people, not duties. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 23:21:47 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 23:20:24 2012. Well put. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 30 23:21:50 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 23:05:11 2012. What part of "to raise' and "calling forth' do you not understand/If they meant to only raise and call forth volunteers, the Constitution would have said so. The SCOTUS has repeated this time and time again in different eras. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 23:23:48 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 30 23:21:50 2012. If the constitution meant TO COMPEL, they'd have said so. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 23:29:21 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 30 23:21:50 2012. What part of "Where does it say conscription", are you having a hard time understanding? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 30 23:29:33 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 23:20:24 2012. The exercise of certain rights, like that of a fair jury trial by one's peers, can only become reality through certain coercive and enforced duties like being forced to serve on a jury.Just like a professional or semi-professional juror force would not work, in times of incredible peril to our liberty and independence, a limited military force composed solely of professionals and other volunteers would also not work. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 30 23:30:53 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 23:29:21 2012. So raising an air force is outside the powers of Congress since the Constitution doesn't mention it? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 23:32:14 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 30 23:30:53 2012. You are evading the issue, Travis. Where is conscription mentioned in the constitution. That's the only question that I am dealing with. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 23:35:22 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 30 23:29:33 2012. Military service requires a much greater commitment than jury service. Jury service is of usually short duration and rarely places one in peril of life or limb.As I've said before, if a government is unable to convince enough of its own citizens of its righteousness that they would rather sit idly and allow its destruction, then such government ought to be destroyed. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 30 23:39:36 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 23:35:22 2012. As I've said before, if a government is unable to convince enough of its own citizens of its righteousness that they would rather sit idly and allow its destruction, then such government ought to be destroyed.I would agree but the laws of our land don't have an auto-destruction clause of that sort. They are instead set up to preserve the nation at all costs, including the possibility of involuntary conscription. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 1 00:01:02 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 30 23:39:36 2012. I disagree. This, after all, is the country that accepts as one of its founding principles that governments which become destructive to certain ends ought to be altered or abolished, even through violent means. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 1 00:34:40 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best - Still, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 30 22:51:51 2012. And that's EXACTLY the economic benefit of what's proposed ... instead of $300,000 surgery paid for by the taxpayer, that person could have the polyp removed six months earlier in the doctor's office for $100. But no ... they'd rather pay the three hundred large so they can strut. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 1 00:35:42 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best - Still, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 30 22:51:57 2012. It runs through Alabama ... carries carloads of turnips to market behind an old Alco. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 1 00:37:56 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 30 22:48:55 2012. I suspect he thinks "raising an army" has something to do with colic and breast feeding and then you kick them into a tent at age 18. :) |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Jul 1 00:50:30 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 1 00:37:56 2012. You mean "raising an army" has nothing to do about porn? How boring. :-) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 1 01:03:48 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 23:20:24 2012. The Constitution says nothing about motorcycles either. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 1 01:05:08 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 1 01:03:48 2012. or child pornography |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 1 01:08:07 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by 3-9 on Sun Jul 1 00:50:30 2012. Raising one soldier is different. As our addled old man here says, try to stay on topic ... he's got an army in his pants. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 1 01:14:16 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 1 01:05:08 2012. And yet both exist.
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 1 01:23:37 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 1 01:14:16 2012. You've just proven the birds of a feather and ass holes do flock together. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 1 01:28:16 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 1 01:23:37 2012. I know ... and really, you and Olog should get a room and leave the rest of us alone. Thanks. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 1 01:49:03 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 1 00:01:02 2012. This, after all, is the country that accepts as one of its founding principles that governments which become destructive to certain ends ought to be altered or abolished, even through violent means.The laws and Constitution of the US provide for the suppression of such Rebellions and Insurrections, including the suspension of venerable civil liberties like the Grand Writ of Habeas Corpus. Your characterization is correctly found in the personal philosophies of some of our Founders. Our written laws, customs and precedents OTOH point to the very opposite. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 1 02:06:10 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 1 01:49:03 2012. They do not. A government should have the means to defend itself, otherwise it'd quickly devolve into a land of warlords and juntas. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 1 02:25:36 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 1 02:06:10 2012. A government should have the means to defend itself, otherwise it'd quickly devolve into a land of warlords and juntas.Someone's warlord is somebody else's Patriot fighting against a tyrannical government. See Robert E Lee and Jefferson Davis. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 1 09:17:36 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 1 01:28:16 2012. I meant you and the dog. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Jul 1 10:40:42 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 21:26:50 2012. Are the Turtle and Train Dude living in the same neighborhood? Seems like it. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jul 1 10:44:19 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Jul 1 10:40:42 2012. They sure do share the same attitude. Along with the same depth of thought. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jul 1 11:09:44 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best - Still, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jun 30 22:44:24 2012. My last doctor's routine visit billed at $541.00. I WANT insurance to cover that. That's what it costs. I pay a decent amount of money every month for insurance, they can pay that bill out of that.In many ways (although the recent "austerity" BS (which the republicans support doing here) isn't helping anything)living in Europe beats the US. There is a sense of basic human decency there.Want to live in an unregulated environment? Move to Somalia. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 1 11:20:56 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best - Still, posted by bingbong on Sun Jul 1 11:09:44 2012. "My last doctor's routine visit billed at $541.00."Veterinary bills can run high - especially ones that specialize in bovines. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 1 11:26:32 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Jul 1 10:40:42 2012. It's pretty clear that you are not only not the brightest bulb in the box but are likely the dimmest. Tell me dan, why is it that you feel like playing the super-hero and she'll never come to your defense when others call you stupid and the like. Could it be that she actually agrees with them? But cheer up Dan-l, I'm sure that the next time I'm in Baltimore, I'll get to the trolley museum and you can scold me face to face! Then you'll have my undivided attention. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Jul 1 11:28:45 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Jul 1 10:40:42 2012. Are the Turtle and Train Dude living in the same neighborhood? Seems like it.Totally Disagree they are nothing alike nothing.. I dont deal with losers... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Jul 1 11:29:48 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by bingbong on Sun Jul 1 10:44:19 2012. They sure do share the same attitude. Along with the same depth of thought.No they dont not even close... Of course its your opinion.. |
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