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And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 30 10:49:01 2012

“Just because a couple people on the Supreme Court declare something to be ‘constitutional’ does not make it so. The whole thing remains unconstitutional.”



yay Rand.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 10:54:09 2012, in response to And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 30 10:49:01 2012.

Yeah. LOL on that. Basic civics eludes a US Senator. He ought to go back to his self-certified (read:NOT) practice, making people go blind through bad Lasik. Fits his politics.

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 30 10:56:52 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 10:54:09 2012.

He should post here LOL

your pal,
Fred

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 10:59:50 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 30 10:56:52 2012.

He'd be *right* at home. :-)

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 30 11:13:23 2012, in response to And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 30 10:49:01 2012.

He is even stupider than his father.
If the 5-4 went the other way, would he have said that ?

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 30 11:26:03 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 30 11:13:23 2012.

Of course not. Everything from this board to FOX TV would have a distinctly different tone.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 30 11:38:33 2012, in response to And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 30 10:49:01 2012.

Poor Roberts. He made a truly conservative ruling (which liberals are going to rue for decades) and now he is getting maligned by people who claim to be conservative.

Glenn Beck is calling him a coward. Michael Savage has gotten himself a third doctorate and is now using his medical skills to diagnose Roberts as losing brain function due to epileptic seizures. And Indiana Congressman and gubernatorial candidate Mike Pence evidently compared the ruling to 9/11, though he later apologized.


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Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 11:48:55 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 30 11:38:33 2012.

Those people are all fools. They didn't read Roberts' opinion and they didn't read the Obamacare bill.

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 30 11:56:34 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 30 11:38:33 2012.

The Mississippi Tea Party takes the cake

your pal,
Fred

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 30 12:08:11 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 30 11:56:34 2012.

OK, that is quite something.

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 12:21:44 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 30 11:56:34 2012.

Oh gawd that's funny! Wish that truly was the satire it reads as.

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 12:31:24 2012, in response to And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 30 10:49:01 2012.

That depends on how you read the remark. The Supreme Court did not rule on O'bummercare in total. They just ruled on the issue of the "individual Mandate". In reality, the entire law has not been judged by the Supreme Court so one could still believe that it could be unconstitutional. Of course the remark, on it's face, is unfortunate.

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 12:44:30 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 12:31:24 2012.

They ruled on the entire law. Obamney Care *is* Constitutional, excluding the Medicaid part where HHS could withdraw the standing grant to states out of compliance with ACA standards.

The remark is one of a caliber that does not belong in government. He should go write satire for the .....

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Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jun 30 13:03:17 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 11:48:55 2012.

Why should he have read it? As Pelosi said, "“We have to pass the Bill before you can see what's in it".

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jun 30 13:03:47 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 30 11:38:33 2012.

Michael Savage is the best!!

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 30 13:07:14 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jun 30 13:03:47 2012.

Micheal Savage is a Doctor of Knowology.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 13:18:37 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 12:44:30 2012.

Where is the supreme court decision on the entire o'bummercare law? The individual mandate and the medicaid expansion were the only 2 provisions that were addressed because of challenges to lower court rulings. As for the remark attributed to Rand Paul, it's far less idiotic than the gem by Nancy Pelosi where we had to vote for a law to find out what we were voting for. That is as un-American as you can get. She should be legislating in Iran.

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jun 30 13:20:36 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 30 13:07:14 2012.

He has two doctorates. True, they're in nutrition.

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 13:36:43 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 30 13:07:14 2012.

More like noölogy.

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 30 14:04:59 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 12:31:24 2012.

The Supreme Court did not rule on O'bummercare in total. They just ruled on the issue of the "individual Mandate". In reality, the entire law has not been judged by the Supreme Court so one could still believe that it could be unconstitutional.

Justices Kennedy, Scalia, Thomas, and Alito voted to overturn the entire ACA. So they thought they were ruling on the entire thing.

Anyone who thinks the Supreme Court will revisit the issue is dreaming.





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Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 14:11:30 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jun 30 13:03:17 2012.

Now they have. It's been found sound and Constitutional. Law of the land. Time to focus on compliance.

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 14:11:39 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 30 14:04:59 2012.

Interesting since the court did not consider the entire "Affordable" Healthcare Act.

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 14:14:39 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jun 30 13:03:47 2012.

Michael Savage is insane..

Thanks to Roberts' decision all will have the opportunity to get similar healthcare access. Got a problem with that? Why do you want people to die?

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by DAND124 on Sat Jun 30 14:16:44 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 30 11:38:33 2012.

A number of libertarian legal scholars like his ruling

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Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 14:17:23 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 14:11:30 2012.

Why do you have time to respond to the post to which you are responding to but you don't have time to defend your argument about conscription. It;s very easy. Just admit that you were wrong, again.

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 14:17:52 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 14:14:39 2012.

Why do you have time to respond to the post to which you are responding to but you don't have time to defend your argument about conscription. It;s very easy. Just admit that you were wrong, again.

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 14:19:29 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 13:18:37 2012.

BUMP

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 30 14:28:23 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jun 30 13:03:47 2012.

Do you admire his newly found medical diagnostic ability?

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 14:29:38 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 13:18:37 2012.

The court can only decide the cases it is presented. If there were any other RWers out there looking to destroy the one chance we've seen since Teddy Roosevelt first proposed nationalized medical insurance over 100 years ago they should have filed suit. They didn't. I don't know what issues anyone could have with ACA beyond those already decided. By and large, the policies within ACA are very popular.

Rand Paul's statement is as idiotic as they get. Even children understand the court's ruling is final. Plenty of Iranians would love to have a Nancy Pelosi legislating for them.



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Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 14:55:28 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 14:17:23 2012.

Why don't you stop annoying everyone with questions about how my time is divided. I have a job. This job requires certain tasks to be done at certain times. Mine doesn't involve bandying about with spreadsheets and powerpoints waiting to be enticed with an early retirement offer.

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 30 14:56:25 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 14:11:39 2012.

Well, the dissenters did. Page 3 of the dissent going on page 4:

The Act before us here exceeds federal power both in mandating the purchase of health insurance and in denying nonconsenting States all Medicaid funding. These parts of the Act are central to its design and operation, and all the Act’s other provisions would not have been enacted without them. In our view it must follow that the entire statute is inoperative.





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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 14:58:12 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 14:17:52 2012.

Why don't you stop annoying everyone with questions about how my time is divided. I have a job. This job requires certain tasks to be done at certain times. Mine doesn't involve bandying about with spreadsheets and powerpoints waiting to be enticed with an early retirement offer. Troll.

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 15:24:00 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by DAND124 on Sat Jun 30 14:16:44 2012.

I like it.

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 15:26:32 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jun 30 13:20:36 2012.

What's the second doctorate?

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 30 15:30:10 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by DAND124 on Sat Jun 30 14:16:44 2012.

They should. He's given the Commerce Clause and even the power to tax a massive setback.



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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by orange blossom special on Sat Jun 30 16:49:39 2012, in response to And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 30 10:49:01 2012.

Sounds like he's the Republican Democrat. If you remember those fruits before the vote.

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Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:06:48 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 14:55:28 2012.

All you need to do is show where in the constitution, conscription is called for. It's very simple.

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:07:45 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 14:58:12 2012.

I'll bet you still think I'm asking you to prove your clain that BMW is moving to Detroit. We've moved past that.

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Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 17:08:51 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:06:48 2012.

How exactly is an army raised? Do maintain correct historical context.

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:10:50 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 14:29:38 2012.

You have not answered my question to you. You've just engaged in more of your liberal pontification.

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 17:13:05 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:10:50 2012.

Didn't get it because you referred to some hatespeak non entity instead of asking properly.

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:14:25 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 17:13:05 2012.

Are your children still hungry?

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Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 17:20:12 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 17:08:51 2012.

Through the march of the VOLUNTEERS.

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Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:20:41 2012, in response to Re: Ayn Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 17:08:51 2012.

How long has this nation operated without conscription? How many "wars" have we fought since Viet Nam without the need for conscription? I realize that it's hard for you to see around it but you should really listen to what you are saying when you are talking out of your ass.

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best - Still

Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 30 17:36:01 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 30 11:56:34 2012.

Teabagger wishes cancer on SC justices

Unstable people.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best - Still

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:37:55 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best - Still, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 30 17:36:01 2012.

There is nothing in the story that would indicate that any of the parties involved engaged in Tea bagging.

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best - Still

Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 30 17:42:03 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best - Still, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:37:55 2012.

Perhaps not Tea bagging but teabagging yes.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best - Still

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:46:50 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best - Still, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 30 17:42:03 2012.

I fail to understand the distinction

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best - Still

Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 30 17:51:27 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best - Still, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:46:50 2012.

Well, one is 2 words and the other... :P

You don't like the tea party founder being called a teabagger I take it?

your pal,
Fred

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Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Jun 30 18:10:59 2012, in response to Re: And Rand Paul Said It Best, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:14:25 2012.

As I said before they do not have children. What part of that do you not understand?

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