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Re: Midyear (2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 30 14:57:06 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 30 11:41:23 2012.

He assumes I'm a liberal even though I hardly ever express a liberal opinion on this board

LOL!

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by DAND124 on Sat Jun 30 14:57:24 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 30 14:55:33 2012.

i posted that when people were concerned about his well being... it was also much easier to find...

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 30 14:58:38 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 30 14:52:20 2012.

certain people are totally unreadable.

Exactly.




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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by SLRT on Sat Jun 30 15:05:21 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 14:50:05 2012.

Anyone should be able to attend the best school they qualify for and can afford. It is not the place for private schools to demand or receive public tax monies to support their enterprises.

And if you can't "afford," you are at the mercy of the public school officials who provide your children with whatever education they (and the teachers' labor union) feel like giving them.

What about the parents that want their neighborhood school to provide that world-class education? Shouldn't they have the right to that, regardless of what neighborhood they live in? (This BTW, is what most parents want)

Yes, they should have that right. But the public schools almost never give them a fraction of that and, without competition, they have no incentive to wither.


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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 30 15:06:04 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by DAND124 on Sat Jun 30 14:57:24 2012.

i hope he's ok. he alluded to problems earlier this year.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 15:31:57 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by DAND124 on Sat Jun 30 14:37:44 2012.

I rarely start threads. I started a thread called "The Livonian Order" and nobody got the pun.

Still doesn't beat "Rootless Cosmopolitans."

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 15:36:21 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by SLRT on Sat Jun 30 15:05:21 2012.

You don't get it. Public schools are NOT adequately FUNDED. That is the problem with public education.

Children need a safe secure building to focus on learning in, not one where lessons get disrupted by breaking pipes or vermin dancing across the floor. They need up to date materials.In some cases they need materials in a language they can understand as they learn English. They need well paid professionals teaching them. Most importantly, they need family and neighborhood support., examples to see the merit of a good education.

People need to grasp that without proper funding, building crumble, materials wither into obsolescence, staffing becomes less than adequate for the task. Funding that once came exclusively from property taxes is inadequate for the job,and state and now thanks to republicans that want to "eliminate " education funding at the Federal level are insuring that the public school system will fail. It takes revenue to succeed. Tell Grover Norquist, who is NOT an elected official but is holding the future of America hostage with his stupid pledge, that.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by SLRT on Sat Jun 30 15:38:22 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 15:31:57 2012.

Was it about trains to New Lots Ave.?

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by SLRT on Sat Jun 30 15:43:51 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 15:36:21 2012.

School success is not just about funding. DC and Newark have proven that.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by DAND124 on Sat Jun 30 15:49:10 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 15:36:21 2012.

Urban school districts spend far more per student than suburban ones and get worse results.

For example Boston public schools spend $18,858 per student while Andover spends $14,030 yet Boston schools are worse.


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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 15:57:08 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by SLRT on Sat Jun 30 15:43:51 2012.

It's about the quality of their students. No good school will change that.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 15:58:11 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 15:36:21 2012.

In some cases they need materials in a language they can understand as they learn English.

No, they don't. Bilingual education should be BANNED.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 16:01:03 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by SLRT on Sat Jun 30 15:43:51 2012.

IT's first and foremost about parental, family and community participation and support. I said that.

The best way to enable that is economics. Employers that pay living wages enable parents to just need one job each in the majority of cases. Those jobs need to offer some flexibility so parents can get to school to participate in functions, PTA, etc as well as follow what their child(ren) are doing in class.

Parents that need to work 2 or 3 jobs to make ends (not) meet leave their children not only academically abandoned but at risk to be drawn to undesirable influences.



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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 16:03:19 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by DAND124 on Sat Jun 30 15:49:10 2012.

There are a lot of factors to consider there.

One example: The school buildings themselves (and this factors into the cost per student) are likely higher due to their age.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 16:08:00 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 15:58:11 2012.

No it should not. It is not a permanent situation however. KIds, especially young ones need to have the same level of education in their native language so they keep up with the general cirrocuium until such time as they are proficient in English enough to learn along with English speaking peers.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by SLRT on Sat Jun 30 16:48:43 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 15:58:11 2012.

Bilingual education (as opposed to teaching English and then teaching IN English) produces ghettoized communities and a jobs program for speakers of the non-English language.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 30 16:50:56 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by DAND124 on Sat Jun 30 15:49:10 2012.

Boston schools are full of kids with incredibly disruptive home lives. They are disruptive in school too, having a huge impact on other kids' learning.


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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by orange blossom special on Sat Jun 30 16:52:22 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 30 03:26:41 2012.

Frank Rizzo, the greatest mayor?

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by orange blossom special on Sat Jun 30 16:52:43 2012, in response to Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 30 00:30:43 2012.

I will be officiating your list...please stand by...

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by DAND124 on Sat Jun 30 16:54:26 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 30 16:50:56 2012.

How does that contradict my point?

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:05:34 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 14:38:09 2012.

And yet you continue to engage in just that sort of discussion. I guess it follows that no one will take your advice - not even you.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 17:11:17 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:05:34 2012.

Ignorance of history has nothing to do with the ability to spew dates and names. Nor am I her eto dispense advice. You surely aren't. You're just here to troll.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:13:46 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 17:11:17 2012.

Go feed your children.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 17:14:46 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 16:01:03 2012.

Untrue.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:16:10 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 16:01:03 2012.

How would you know about parents and children? You are a selfish troll.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 17:17:28 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 16:08:00 2012.

Bilingual education is permanent. It's immersion that's not.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 17:26:58 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 17:14:46 2012.

Statistically, yes. The highest rates of failure are seen in places with the least parental involvement. The majority of those parents aren't bad, but they are overwhelmed. They also do not have the flexibility to participate as they would like to.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:28:02 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 17:26:58 2012.

What do you know about being a parent, overwhelmed or otherwise?

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 17:29:53 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:16:10 2012.

1. I studied education. 2)I often read about the subject 3) I'm not a troll. You are




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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 17:36:09 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 17:26:58 2012.

Correlation does not imply causation. Stupid parents have stupid children.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:41:05 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 17:29:53 2012.

If the quality of your education is indicated by the accuracy of what you post then I'd say you wasted your time and your money on that so called "education" of yours. By the way, I don't wish to be harsh and I don't know a nice way of saying this to you but according to the current standards, you actually are a troll.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Jun 30 17:44:40 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:13:46 2012.

Kinda hard, Steve, they didn't have kids.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:46:15 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 17:29:53 2012.

"1. I studied education."

Well I only have a minor in secondary education so I'm likely not as well versed as you but I'm at a complete loss about one thing. Perhaps you can explain the meaning of "cirrocuium". I've never heard of it.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:47:41 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Jun 30 17:44:40 2012.

Dan, please, we've talked about this before. Do I really have to keep reminding you?

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Jun 30 17:50:45 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 30 14:19:39 2012.

Right now NOBODY is covered, it doesn't take hold until 2014.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 17:56:32 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Jun 30 17:50:45 2012.

Absolutely false. What about all the under 26s who are now under their parents' insurance?

Or is this response another attack?

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Jun 30 18:01:18 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:47:41 2012.

You will be reminded every time you post an attack on her.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Jun 30 18:02:20 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 17:56:32 2012.

That's NOT part of "Obamacare";.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jun 30 18:09:41 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 17:05:34 2012.

u 2 oUGHT gET a romm

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 18:15:48 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Jun 30 18:01:18 2012.

What attack? I merely call to attention the fact that she has no children and no practical experience when it comes to raising them. It's sort of like when she reminds me about the fact that I'm retired. Do you view that as an attack?

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 18:19:30 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Jun 30 18:02:20 2012.

I think that you are wrong but that would be like saying that the the Pope is Catholic.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 30 18:24:55 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 14:16:40 2012.

Why do you feel some sense of entitlement requiring other people that you disrespect to cater to your every whim on demand? Cut a paycheck and maybe ...

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 18:27:17 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 30 18:24:55 2012.

Is that the best argument you can come up with to defend that totally incorrect statement? Pathetic.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 30 18:42:51 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 30 18:27:17 2012.

Indeed you are. So you actually believe that you're such an important part of the planet that all must bow before you and deliver? LOL!

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 19:26:20 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 17:17:28 2012.

The need for it is not. Kids can come through the program and join English speaking classes when they are capable. However, tossing kids into a class where they don't understand what's going on, cannot grasp the work end up put off to school and are more likely to cause trouble for the class and themselves. For most it's a brief time in bilingual ed until they're in with the general student population. In that time, they keep up with skill such as math to their regular grade level so they function well once in an English speaking class.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 19:35:30 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Jun 30 18:02:20 2012.

How is it not part of Obamacare? It's in the same bill!

Why can't you EVER admit being wrong? Just once!

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 19:39:18 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 19:26:20 2012.

FALSE. The kids will be forced to learn English in order to survive. That is the best way. Bilingual "education" encourages segregation.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 19:39:58 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 17:36:09 2012.

That's not necessarily true and you know it too.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 19:40:11 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 19:39:18 2012.

If they want to learn in a language other than English they shouldn't come to this country, or they should move to Puerto Rico.

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Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 30 19:41:25 2012, in response to Re: Midyear(2012) List of Leftists, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 30 19:39:58 2012.

It's almost always true. The smart children succeed anyway.

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