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Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Jun 20 15:16:52 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by mr mabstoa on Wed Jun 20 13:23:57 2012. ?? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 15:17:06 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by AlM on Wed Jun 20 15:04:16 2012. The President is constitutionally bound to heed a congressional subpoena unless there's a valid reason not to. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jun 20 15:30:53 2012, in response to Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 13:21:48 2012. Hardly. The door has been left open to negotiate getting the committee what they need to investigate. The Justice Dept has shown good faith.This action reeks of political motivation, and doesn't seem to be a real issue of lack of cooperation, rather one of the committee overstepping to inflict political damage and create an unnecessary issue during the campaign. Obviously you know nothing about Nixon. Don't raise a spectre when you don't know what it's all about. 
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jun 20 15:57:02 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 15:17:06 2012. That doesn't imply that Issa has prosecutorial powers. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Jun 20 16:09:06 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by AlM on Wed Jun 20 13:50:30 2012. pwnd |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jun 20 16:20:55 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 14:19:13 2012. Chris, the "October surprise" was related to the Iran Contra affair, where many members (including the president who wasn't prosecuted only because of his mental impairment) of the White House acted clearly and deliberately in defiance of laws enacted by Congress.There was no "waste" in that matter, it was a completely legitimate investigation into actual illegal activity. Just like Watergate. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Wed Jun 20 16:24:34 2012, in response to Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 13:21:48 2012. Looks like the Nazis are feeling trheir oats again. Taxes are giong up to pre 1962 levels again but this time we're not wasting the money on welfare "Defense" spending. instead, Our Government will focus on helping the American People instead of setting the stage for the 4th. Reich with idiotic statements like "Mr. Gorbachev,tear down this wall" |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 20 16:26:55 2012, in response to Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 13:21:48 2012. Hmmmm. It's interesting how the GOP isn't interested in the Fast and Furious operations that were carried out under President Bush. Not a peep about that from Issa. Oh, and by the way, the "executive privilege" invocation was done at the request of the Justice Department, not by Obama himself.InB4 the word humping... |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jun 20 16:28:46 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Charles G on Wed Jun 20 14:34:05 2012. Are you saying they placed guns intentionally in criminals' hands so they could murder?You know, intent and shit? :) your pal, Fred |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jun 20 16:28:55 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 14:42:05 2012. LOL!!!! Explain falsifying WMD claims and invading a non combatant nation. That's recklessness beyond the pale.Then explain it to the thousands injured in that conflict, many maimed for life, and the families that lost loved ones. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 20 16:29:26 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 20 13:56:02 2012. No one worried about "Fast and Furious" when it began under President Bush. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 20 16:30:27 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 20 14:01:22 2012. [x] Does Issa himself have something to hide by stonewalling the AG? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 20 16:32:36 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 20 16:26:55 2012. ZFast and Furious was carried out under obummer. There was a similar operation under Bush but no guns were lost and no agents were killed so it really was not quite the same. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 20 16:34:38 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 20 16:29:26 2012. There was no fast and furious under President Bush. There was a similar program but no guns were lost and no agents were killed. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 20 16:34:55 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Charles G on Wed Jun 20 13:49:56 2012. He was malquoted. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 20 16:35:09 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 20 16:30:27 2012. Idiotic retort - not worthy of you |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jun 20 16:38:54 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 14:30:02 2012. I dunno bout datyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 20 16:44:09 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 20 16:32:36 2012. AG Michael Mukasey knew about the Justice Department's "Gun walking" operations as early as 2007. The tactic of following illegal guns back to their distribution kingpins is neither new, nor unique to the Obama Administration. I see Issa's machinations as just another GOP strategy to delegitimize President Obama, in keeping with their often-stated goal of making him a one-term President.The timing of this manufactured "scandal" is too convenient, IMO. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jun 20 16:45:31 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 14:37:39 2012. Deliberately allowing hundreds of dangerous firearms into the hands of murderous Mexican criminal syndicates isn't? You really want to assert a "3rd rate burglary" which didn't even result in any bodily injury as worse than this?Proff that it was deliberate? I dunno about you but just because a burglary doesn't involve bodily harm doesn't make it not a crime. If so, go ahead. I've won. You always claim victory. Because you're never around to see your interpretations smacked down :) Or you figure nobody will notice. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jun 20 16:45:32 2012, in response to Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 13:21:48 2012. A terrorist like Issa (PLO-CA) demanding proof of wrongdoing.HAHAHAHA!!! This is even more ridiculous than Peter King (IRA-NY) accusing certain people of backing terrorists based on their religion. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jun 20 16:56:32 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 14:28:44 2012. OK, so why has no prosecutor taken the ATF agent allegations seriously and opened a criminal investigation? Perhaps they're not very credible? Perhaps they're covering up their own failings?As for the Mexican government, how would they know the motivation for the program? Have any of them testified that they were told by someone who would be in a position to know? If a crime was committed here, it's not Darrell Issa's job to find out. It's a prosecutor's job. Recall that Nixon didn't fall because he stonewalled Congress, he fell because he stonewalled a duly authorized criminal investigation. |
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Posted by Charles G on Wed Jun 20 16:58:19 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Fred G on Wed Jun 20 16:28:46 2012. Nah man. Recklessness and shit. Negligence and shit too.and shit. CG |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jun 20 16:59:59 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Charles G on Wed Jun 20 16:58:19 2012. Might be simple incompetence and shit.No underlings like agents are being prosecuted, which seems odd. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by mr mabstoa on Wed Jun 20 17:03:34 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by AlM on Wed Jun 20 13:37:39 2012. Yeah, Obama hasn't read the documents, thats why he doesn't want anyone else to read them either!Sort of like we need to pass this bill to find out whats in it! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 17:04:01 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Fred G on Wed Jun 20 16:28:46 2012. That's what some are alleging. They wanted to see a spike in gun crime to create climate for new gun control laws, especially in border states where they are decidedly unpopular.That's exactly the charge one of the dead border agent's family is alleging in a wrongful death lawsuit against the DOJ |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jun 20 17:05:03 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Fred G on Wed Jun 20 16:59:59 2012. Probably no evidence that they were anything other than dumb. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 17:05:44 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 20 16:34:38 2012. No, some guns were lost under Wide Receiver. The Bush administration then shut it down. No one was killed. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jun 20 17:06:04 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 14:30:02 2012. Wow you're wrong.
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jun 20 17:06:51 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 17:04:01 2012. I see nothing in the article about the wrongful death suit alleging a desire to create a spike in gun crimes. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 17:09:43 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 20 16:29:26 2012. You need to keep up to date on the news. This is an old and busted myth, as old and busted as the one saying the Bush administration approved the Solyndra loan.Don't say I never help a brother out when he needs schoolin' >inb4 right wing website |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jun 20 17:10:01 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 20 16:34:38 2012. "Operation Wide Receiver", then.With assurance from ATF "that Mexican officials would be conducting surveillance or interdictions when guns got to the other side of the border",[24] Detty would sell a total of about 450 guns during the operation.[22] These included AR-15s, semi-automatic AK-pattern rifles, and Colt .38s. The vast majority of the guns were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico.[7][23][25] your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jun 20 17:10:58 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by AlM on Wed Jun 20 17:05:03 2012. If that was a crime, the streets would be empty :)your pal, Fred |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 20 17:11:46 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 17:09:43 2012. YOU are the one that needs schoolin':School yourself. |
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Posted by Dand124 on Wed Jun 20 17:16:21 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by AlM on Wed Jun 20 13:37:39 2012. so then it's like Iran-contra? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 20 18:06:31 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 20 16:44:09 2012. I agree. The scheduled death of that DEA Agent also came too early. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Wed Jun 20 18:11:17 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 20 18:06:31 2012. Taxes are too low and too much money is wasted on Olog's war machine. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 20 18:29:57 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 20 16:44:09 2012. Republican congress has to show that they've done SOMETHING over the last two years ... this is it. :-\ |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 20 19:35:52 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 20 18:06:31 2012. The scheduled death of that DEA Agent also came too early.What, exactly, are you implying with that statement? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 20 19:42:08 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 20 19:35:52 2012. Do we even have to ask? He knows that Michelle killed him right after she did Vince Foster and those Arkansas troopers. Some shit just never gets old. :) |
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Re: Chris forgot... Was: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Jun 20 19:44:33 2012, in response to Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 13:21:48 2012. Forgot how many times Bush and Clinton did it? 8 and 14 times respectively... this is Obamas first time, at the request of the Justice department. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 19:49:15 2012, in response to Re: Chris forgot... Was: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Jun 20 19:44:33 2012. Read the thread. I acknowledged it for Clinton, W Bush AND Reagan.All of Bush's requests were on national security grounds, and the Bush administration complied with over 80% of the requests from Congress for documents. The Democrats went on an orgy of investigations when they took over in 2007. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Jun 20 19:50:33 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 19:49:15 2012. You forgot the 7000 documents the Obama Administration sent the GOP? Or that slip your mind too? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 20 19:51:17 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 19:49:15 2012. Stop worrying about the Nazis and their lies. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Jun 20 19:53:58 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 20 19:51:17 2012. Come on olog, you're a coward lol. You run away from any post where someone calls you out on your lies which you do quite often on this site, with your nazi references that you keep sputtering about obviously means you don't know what calling someone a Nazi is. Now if I call you Anti American I would be right. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jun 20 20:27:18 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 19:49:15 2012. They didn't comply with opening Dick's secret energy hobnobbings. That's what led to the stupid Iraq invasion....the point all along was to steal the oil. Even Dick, once out of office, admitted it. |
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CBS: Documents show ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 21:31:12 2012, in response to Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 13:21:48 2012. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57338546-10391695/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-the-case-for-gun-regulations/
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jun 20 22:42:04 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 14:19:13 2012. Wasn't that part of Iran-contra?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 20 22:48:52 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 14:19:13 2012. U Mad? :)
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jun 20 22:51:00 2012, in response to Re: Obama goes full Nixon, asserts executive privilege on subpoenaed documents, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 20 22:48:52 2012. Suck is very powerful. |
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Re: CBS: Documents show ATF used ''Fast and Furious'' to make the case for gun regulations |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 20 23:12:06 2012, in response to CBS: Documents show ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 21:31:12 2012. Would have been a pretty sorry case. |
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