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Liberalism and the Future

Posted by JayMan on Fri Jun 1 23:15:05 2012

My latest blog post. Long read, but check it out.

Liberalism, HBD, Population, and Solutions for the Future | JayMan's Blog

This is the biggest humdinger I've written so far, you don't want to miss it.

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by Easy on Sat Jun 2 22:55:28 2012, in response to Liberalism and the Future, posted by JayMan on Fri Jun 1 23:15:05 2012.

Too long for me. White women and specifically white liberal women aren't having enough white/liberal babies?

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 2 23:46:53 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by Easy on Sat Jun 2 22:55:28 2012.

So you like reading shorter JayMengele rants?

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 10:42:13 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by Easy on Sat Jun 2 22:55:28 2012.

That's one of the key takeaways, yes, among many others.

Liberals are literally a dying breed.

There are other important discoveries contained there in. If you have the inkling for a minibook-like read, do go for it.

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 3 15:17:28 2012, in response to Liberalism and the Future, posted by JayMan on Fri Jun 1 23:15:05 2012.

Oh shit. That's long but I got through it without clicking any of the links.

I agree that Republican women are more likely to have babies even though the Irish-Catholics vote for Democrats and are known for making babies.

In middle class America, whites are not having babies. It's the rich whites who are making babies because they can afford nannies.



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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by cortelyounext on Sun Jun 3 15:59:54 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 3 15:17:28 2012.

To better illustrate your points, I took it upon myself to provide a picture of a white baby.


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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 16:13:44 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 3 15:17:28 2012.

In middle class America, whites are not having babies. It's the rich whites who are making babies because they can afford nannies.

Income does have a positive effect on fertility.

In fact, IQ's effect on fertility is neutral probably because the negative impact of education on fertility is offset by the positive effect of income. Unfortunately, that is mostly among conservatives.

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 3 16:23:18 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 16:13:44 2012.

I think the white middle class is being shut out.

The rich whites have the means to have 3 kids and the minorities don't think twice about having a bunch of kids. That's why you see a lot of kids where there are upscale whites and minorities. Check out the middle class whites in LIC and Bushwick. They don't make many babies.

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 3 16:24:13 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 16:13:44 2012.

Whose children become liberals as they are repulsed by seeing the outcome of their selfish parent's attitudes and ways of life.

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 3 16:24:15 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 16:13:44 2012.

Whose children become liberals as they are repulsed by seeing the outcome of their selfish parent's attitudes and ways of life.

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 18:02:30 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 3 16:24:13 2012.

FALSE.

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 3 18:33:34 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 18:02:30 2012.

Oh? Explain the 60s.

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 18:35:08 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 3 18:33:34 2012.

LOL!

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 3 18:43:23 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 18:02:30 2012.

Actually, once you get old enough to spot it, offspring generally go in the opposite direction of their parents in many ways. For laughs and giggles, I'll assume that your own parents are pretty religious and towards the left of the scale politically. When you have parents that are WAY off from center, the offspring are more often than not just as far off center the other way.

If parents and offspring saw things eye to eye, the kids would never leave the house. :)

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 18:51:20 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 3 18:43:23 2012.

For laughs and giggles, I'll assume that your own parents are pretty religious and towards the left of the scale politically.

My mother is an atheist and my father is a deist. We're all "towards the left of the scale politically." If I were to rebel against them, I'd be extremely religious and conservative. I am the exact opposite. I can't think of anything important where I disagree with either of them politically.

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 3 19:10:25 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 18:51:20 2012.

Interesting ... that's unusual, although you do have a certain libertarian streak and while that's anti-authoritarian, it is kinda conservative in other respects. Congratulations, my son ... thou shalt dwelleth in mom's basement forever and ever. Heh.

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 19:20:15 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 3 19:10:25 2012.

Other than being associated with the political right in the US, in what way is it actually "conservative?"

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 19:30:11 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 19:20:15 2012.

It's also interesting that liberals call me conservative (you, JayZee), but conservatives call me liberal (LuchAAA's LOL).

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 3 19:36:56 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 19:20:15 2012.

I think you answered your own question there given that the terms of political labels in this country are so twisted and distorted. I believe personally that greed needs to have some limits, or we might as well let criminals beat people up for their wallets just like corporations do. I did libertarian back in the 80's, and the more I delved into the finer points of its selfishness, just didn't work for me anymore. It's rather un-Christian. Then again, so are the republicans.

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 3 19:38:34 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 19:30:11 2012.

Actually, I don't consider you to be "conservative" ... you have some sensitivity towards others to fit that pigeonhole. Other than being really fed up with the current republican mindset, I recognize that there's a whole universe of gray between black and white. I save my wrath for those who goose step without thinking ... so you're home free in MY book. :)

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 19:41:33 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 3 19:36:56 2012.

My problem is that a lot of "liberals" believe that corporations should have some morals or scruples or stuff like that. I accept that THEY WON'T and believe that only the people's government can prevent them from running roughshod over the people. Except in those cases were capitalism actually works, and I believe that it often does. But when it doesn't, you shouldn't expect it to.

That's why I always that a corporations only priority is to its shareholders. Maybe it would be nice if they were all altruistic but they're not and they never will be. Might as well accept reality and work with it.

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 3 19:46:54 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 19:41:33 2012.

"a corporations only priority is to its shareholders. "

Truth!

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 3 19:53:26 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 3 19:46:54 2012.

Which is why CEO/business types make horrible Presidents. They don't comprehend that a government can't be run like a business.

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 3 19:54:43 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 19:41:33 2012.

We pretty much agree there, particularly on the "people's government can prevent them from running roughshod" and there's my problem. This whole "remove all regulation" is an attempt to completely remove that aspect. As for morals and scruples and such, I agree that corporations do need to "give back" to their communities and that's actually in their own self-interest. But again, the modern mindset is that they shouldn't contribute to schools and the community as a whole even though that's tax deductable. Philosophically, I have a problem with draining the blood of the community and when it runs dry, just pulling up stakes and walking away. That's how it's been working since the 80's and just look at where we collectively are as a result.

We've learned that when you take care of your employees and their families, they take MUCH better care of the corporation. But they apparently don't teach that in MBA school anymore. :(

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 3 19:55:19 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 3 19:53:26 2012.

You say some silly things but this is right up there near the top.

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 3 19:58:01 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 3 19:53:26 2012.

Which is why even the republicans put up washed up actors and Bishops instead of business people. Bush was a business people. Every business he ran went bust. :)

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 3 19:59:49 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 3 19:55:19 2012.

Not all. Proven,time and again:

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2012/02/17/sorry-mitt-romney-good-businessmen-rarely-make-good-presidents



Pinkie's getting some mileage tonight!

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 20:10:09 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 3 19:54:43 2012.

But those things are in the best interests of the shareholders!

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 20:10:42 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 3 19:53:26 2012.

Good post.

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 3 20:15:21 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 20:10:09 2012.

Not to most anymore. It's all about another penny in THEIR pocket instead of someone else's. The biggest problem in corporate governance these days is the absolute demand for satisfaction EVERY quarter. That's completely short-circuited long term planning for bigger profits, but not right now. :(

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by cortelyounext on Sun Jun 3 20:24:13 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 3 19:38:34 2012.

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 3 20:28:01 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by cortelyounext on Sun Jun 3 20:24:13 2012.

Challenge accepted. I shall sign the Do Not Resuscitate order forthwith. :)

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 20:44:53 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 3 16:24:15 2012.

A few will. Most will be on the Right like their parents, unfortunately. Political attitudes are heritable, so conservative parents will have conservative children, but, not as conservative as their parents, on average, thanks to (in this case) our friend, regression to the mean.

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 3 20:49:36 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by cortelyounext on Sun Jun 3 20:24:13 2012.

I'll chime in with some slack.



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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 20:50:46 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 3 19:10:25 2012.

It's actually not unusual.

Within family differences tend to be exaggerated by people thinking about their own family due to contrast effects. Compared to your sibling or your parent, you might not be as conservative or as religious, but compared to the society as a whole, you may be all right-of-center or church-going.

I know two brothers who think they are nothing like each other (and you can't tell them otherwise), when in fact, they are both just as stubborn and just as much BS'ers such that they can't admit how much they have in common. People within families see their differences, it's harder for them to see their similarities than it would be for an outsider.

The biggest factor in behavior is and always was heredity.

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 3 21:17:45 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 3 19:59:49 2012.

Give your software away to those who cannot afford it, then.

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by Dave on Sun Jun 3 21:19:50 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 3 18:43:23 2012.

There's something to be said for that although it's not an absolute. My parents were both somewhat liberal Democrats. I've always been a conservative Republican. My middle brother holds the same set of political values as my folks. My youngest brother is a raging libtard, a.k.a. a current-day Democrat.

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 21:27:40 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 3 19:59:49 2012.

Great article, and great point. I don't see anything that makes me think Romney will be a good leader.

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 3 21:29:56 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 21:27:40 2012.

I guess you think o'bummer has been a good leader?

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 21:29:57 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by Dave on Sun Jun 3 21:19:50 2012.

Except that he was completely wrong with his initial assumption (regarding me). So he's 1:1. That proves nothing and in either way (if he had been 0:2 or 2:0) would be anecdotal at best.

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 3 21:36:05 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 3 21:17:45 2012.

He shoots ... he MISSES again! :)

The basic version has been free for years ... unlike people like you, we understand that some folks need kindness.

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 3 21:39:50 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by Dave on Sun Jun 3 21:19:50 2012.

And there's something to be said for Pigs' point as well. Both of my parents were staunch republicans and so was I ... but I got cured. :)

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 3 21:40:27 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 21:29:57 2012.

Nothing is absolute ... that's what makes life interesting. :)

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Jun 3 21:42:19 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 3 19:53:26 2012.

They certainly don't make good governors:



Bald head motherfucker


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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 3 21:56:07 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 21:27:40 2012.

He wasn't so great as leader of the Commonwealth. I'd much rather have Obama.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 21:57:55 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 3 21:29:56 2012.

Considering the enormous challenges he faced and continues to face, absolutely.

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 3 22:07:11 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 21:57:55 2012.

Was he hired to fix things or just to make excuses why he can't?

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 22:08:32 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 3 21:40:27 2012.

Except for some vodka.

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 3 22:37:45 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 22:08:32 2012.

Da! :)

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Re: Liberalism and the Future

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 3 22:42:03 2012, in response to Re: Liberalism and the Future, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Jun 3 21:42:19 2012.

Yeah, looks like he can put you in a late model car with only $400 down. :)

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