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Posted by dand124 on Wed May 30 10:22:31 2012 http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/29/us-usa-campaign-romney-birth-certificate-idUSBRE84S1GF20120529Finally, there is definitive proof: The presidential candidate was born in the United States, and his father was not. Yes, Republican Mitt Romney appears eligible to be president, according to a copy of Romney's birth certificate released to Reuters by his campaign. Willard Mitt Romney, the certificate says, was born in Detroit on March 12, 1947. His mother, Lenore, was born in Utah and his father, former Michigan governor and one-time Republican presidential candidate George Romney, was born in Mexico. So on a day when real estate and media mogul Donald Trump was trying to help Mitt Romney by stirring up a new round of questions about whether Democratic President Barack Obama was born in the United States, Romney's own birth record became a reminder that in the 1968 presidential campaign, his father had faced his own "birther" controversy. Back then, George Romney - who died in 1995 - was a moderate who was challenging eventual President Richard Nixon in the Republican primaries. Records in a George Romney archive at the University of Michigan describe how questions about his eligibility to be president surfaced almost as soon as he began his short-lived campaign. In many ways, they appear to echo today's complaints that Trump and some other conservative "birthers" have made about Obama while questioning whether Obama - whose father was from Kenya and mother was from Kansas - was born in Hawaii. In George Romney's case, most of the questions were raised initially by Democrats who cited the Constitution's requirement that only a "natural born citizen" can be president. As early as February 1967 - a year before the first 1968 presidential primary - some newspapers were raising questions as to whether George Romney's place of birth disqualified him from the presidency. By May 1967, U.S. congressman Emmanuel Celler, a Democrat who chaired the House of Representatives Judiciary Committee, was expressing "serious doubts" about George Romney's eligibility. The next month, another Democratic congressman inserted a lengthy treatise into the Congressional Record in which a government lawyer - writing in a "personal capacity" - argued that George Romney was ineligible for the White House because he was born outside U.S. territory. DEJA VU In what today might seem like deja vu, eminent legal authorities soon were queuing up to argue in favor of George Romney's eligibility. The New York Law Journal published a lengthy argument by a senior partner from Sullivan & Cromwell, one of Manhattan's elite law firms, arguing that the fact that both of George Romney's parents were U.S. citizens clearly established him as a "natural born citizen" who was eligible to be president. George Romney himself was unequivocal. "I am a natural born citizen. My parents were American citizens. I was a citizen at birth," he said, according to a typewritten statement found in his archives. At one point, the Congressional Research Service - an arm of the Library of Congress that is supposed to provide authoritative but impartial research for elected members - advised that its analysts agreed with George Romney, according to a congressional source. In a paper in November aimed at clarifying presidential eligibility, the Congressional Research Service declared that the practical, legal meaning of "natural born citizen" would "most likely include" not only anyone born on U.S. soil but anyone born overseas of at least one parent who was a U.S. citizen. ROMNEY'S DANCE WITH TRUMP Mitt Romney has tried to avoid getting caught up in Trump's focus on Obama's birthplace. "Governor Romney has said repeatedly that he believes President Obama was born in the United States," said Eric Fehrnstrom, a senior adviser to Romney. However, the presumed Republican nominee has not distanced himself from Trump, creating what some analysts said seems to be a quiet endorsement of Trump's efforts to raise questions about Obama among voters. Michael Cohen, special counsel to Trump, said that Trump and Romney never talk about issues Trump has raised elsewhere regarding Obama's birth certificate. Instead they talk about jobs, the economy and other matters of public policy. Asked whether Trump sees any double standard in going after Obama when Romney's father faced similar questions about his presidential eligibility, Cohen told Reuters: "I don't think (Trump) has ever thought about Mitt Romney's father's birth certificate." Cohen said Trump recently revived the issue of Obama's birthplace because journalists asked him about the issue after a right-wing website published an old blurb for an Obama book that suggested that Obama was born in Kenya. The literary agent who wrote the blurb subsequently said it was written in error. Cohen said Trump believes "the president of the United States should be the single most transparent human being on this planet. This president lacks that transparency." |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 30 10:34:59 2012, in response to Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by dand124 on Wed May 30 10:22:31 2012. In a paper in November aimed at clarifying presidential eligibility, the Congressional Research Service declared that the practical, legal meaning of "natural born citizen" would "most likely include" not only anyone born on U.S. soil but anyone born overseas of at least one parent who was a U.S. citizen.Ha. That's amusing, even if irrelevant. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed May 30 10:48:11 2012, in response to Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by dand124 on Wed May 30 10:22:31 2012. I wanna know where the thing on Trump's head was born. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 30 11:04:06 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by AlM on Wed May 30 10:34:59 2012. US citizens are free to travel outside the country and even live outside the country, without fear that their children being born outside of the country, would be natural born citizens |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed May 30 11:14:02 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 30 11:04:06 2012. Unless your surname is Obama. (not that it happened, but....) |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed May 30 11:20:03 2012, in response to Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by dand124 on Wed May 30 10:22:31 2012. Where is the LONG FORM birth certificate? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 30 11:23:11 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed May 30 11:20:03 2012. the Congressional Research Service declared that the practical, legal meaning of "natural born citizen" would "most likely include" not only anyone born on U.S. soil but anyone born overseas of at least one parent who was a U.S. citizen.Issue settled in 1967. Now doubly irrelevant. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 30 11:33:38 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 30 11:04:06 2012. Well, Donald Trump, and closer to home (so to speak) chicagomotorman, disagree with us. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 30 12:11:27 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by AlM on Wed May 30 11:23:11 2012. Of course. Obama was always eligible. The real issue is his milking of the controversy for political points, his hinting at a foreign birth in years past to sell his book(s) and the media's double-standard and bias when it comes to covering the issue.Few people actually believe he was born in Kenya. Most who merely hint at it do so to make money off the issue (Orly Taitz) or are seeking short term publicity (Trump). Any outrage from the left over this is as manufactured as an artificial Christmas tree. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 30 12:17:45 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 30 12:11:27 2012. Here we only have chicagomotorman. But on other forums I see more people who say Obama is unamerican, etc. It's not as isolated as you think.Of course it doesn't matter. I don't think any undecideds are going to vote against Romney because he's associating with a nutjob like Trump. (Though Ross Douthat of the NY Times, who is not a liberal, disagrees. He think Romney is making a serious mistake hanging out with Trump.) |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed May 30 12:47:31 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by AlM on Wed May 30 12:17:45 2012. I do believe obama was born here. What I am saying is if obama was asked for his hospitable generated long form birth certificate with a doctor's name, why not Romney. What's good for goose is good for the gander. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 30 12:53:40 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by AlM on Wed May 30 12:17:45 2012. What you hear is people claiming Obama was born in Kenya. Most know better, but do so because it makes them feel good. Internet anonymity often gives you free reign to say stuff you'd never say in public. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 30 12:58:52 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 30 11:04:06 2012. Even better: Did you know that a baby born on an airplane flying over US airspace is a "natural born citizen", even if both parents aren't US citizens at all, and even if the plane didn't take off or land in the US? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 30 13:02:03 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 30 12:58:52 2012. Ah, but how many non-stop flights from Canada to Mexico are there really?(Total digression. Embargoes notwithstanding, flights from the US to the Cayman Islands fly directly over Cuba.) |
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Posted by dand124 on Wed May 30 13:11:21 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by AlM on Wed May 30 13:02:03 2012. don't Europe/East Asia flights fly over Alaska. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 30 13:11:41 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by AlM on Wed May 30 13:02:03 2012. You'd be surprised. Consider, also, international flights that fly over Alaska, to and from Canada, or flights that go through Hawaiian airspace while crossing the Pacific, for example. |
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Posted by dand124 on Wed May 30 13:15:19 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by AlM on Wed May 30 13:02:03 2012. and Canada has the same policy and lots of US go over Canada including all flights between O'hare Airport and NYC |
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Posted by dand124 on Wed May 30 13:16:27 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 30 13:11:41 2012. very few flights would travel over Hawaii since planes tend to avoid the tropics. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 30 13:23:43 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by dand124 on Wed May 30 13:11:21 2012. Of course. I forgot about that. |
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Posted by dand124 on Wed May 30 13:26:59 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by AlM on Wed May 30 13:23:43 2012. now that i've done some Googleing it seems they don't anymore since they can now use Russian airspace. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 30 14:21:39 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed May 30 12:47:31 2012. Obama was not asked, he only complied after people with no authority to ask (like Trump) made a big deal put of it. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed May 30 15:31:13 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 30 12:58:52 2012. I did not know that. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 30 16:48:16 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 30 12:11:27 2012. LOL!...DAMN..I have to toss you a TON of respect for that post..I actually love how sinister YOUR MIND WORKS! Top notch work.. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 30 18:07:49 2012, in response to Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by dand124 on Wed May 30 10:22:31 2012. And the release of this while Romney denies any connection to Trump is purely coincidental. :) |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 30 18:13:03 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 30 18:07:49 2012. You think he's taking a dive like McCain did?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 30 18:42:39 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by Fred G on Wed May 30 18:13:03 2012. We'll know for sure if Trump gets Veep. :) |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed May 30 18:50:30 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by bingbong on Wed May 30 11:14:02 2012. Only people with that surname is living in the UK(and he's BANNED from the US) and Kenya(and he gets s#%# from Obama's million$$$). No one here with that surname legally. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 30 19:22:29 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by AlM on Wed May 30 11:23:11 2012. Yup. And that also makes this whole obama thing nonsense too. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed May 30 20:20:09 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney Releases His Birth Certificate, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 30 19:22:29 2012. So tell me then, why'd it drag on till the present? Just yesterday Trump was whining on about it.These are your people. |
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