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George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario |
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Posted by dand124 on Mon May 28 22:22:07 2012 http://www.talkleft.com/story/2012/5/27/44552/1872 |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon May 28 22:36:40 2012, in response to George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by dand124 on Mon May 28 22:22:07 2012. His neighborhood watch program, set up with the assistance of the police, instructed residents to report suspicious activity. That's what he did. He wasn't on watch that night, he had a concealed weapons permit, and it wasn't a crime to get out of his car to see where Trayvon had run off to, so he could tell the police when they got there.The state is unlikely to prevail in arguing Zimmerman was the aggressor because to be the aggressor, Zimmerman had to contemporaneously provoke the force Martin used against him. Zimmerman's profiling of Martin and call to the non-emergency number were not contemporaneous with Martin's attack. Even if the state could convince a judge or jury that Zimmerman was following Martin, rather than walking back to his car, rendering his pursuit a contemporaneous act, it is not an act that provokes Martin's use of force against him. Demanding someone account for their presence does not provoke the use of force. Very good. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon May 28 22:49:30 2012, in response to George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by dand124 on Mon May 28 22:22:07 2012. He states that none of the neighbors saw the beginning of the struggle, and then uses Zimmermann's account to fill in the holes to conclude that it was self-defense.My opinion is that the most likely scenario is that we will never know Trayvon's account and Zimmermann will be found innocent because there is no proff of guilt absent that. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue May 29 08:48:42 2012, in response to George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by dand124 on Mon May 28 22:22:07 2012. If that is truly all the evidence in the hands of the prosecutor (and I have no idea if it is or not) then the prosecutor is guilty of massive misconduct. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue May 29 09:01:01 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by AlM on Tue May 29 08:48:42 2012. From What I recall of the evidence that's been public, there's a LOT the author of that article missed. The conclusions drawn are wishful thinking at best. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 29 09:04:39 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by bingbong on Tue May 29 09:01:01 2012. +1 |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue May 29 09:06:25 2012, in response to George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by dand124 on Mon May 28 22:22:07 2012. This is getting like Nancy Grace...your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue May 29 09:09:31 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by Fred G on Tue May 29 09:06:25 2012. I have stopped following it here and everywhere else... |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue May 29 09:25:11 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by Railman718 on Tue May 29 09:09:31 2012. I'm stopping following a lot of stuff here...your pal, Fred |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Tue May 29 09:27:55 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by Fred G on Tue May 29 09:25:11 2012. The thread about the Green Lantern is pretty good. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 29 09:37:29 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by bingbong on Tue May 29 09:01:01 2012. What evidence did the author miss? Please be specific. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 29 09:37:47 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 29 09:04:39 2012. What evidence did the author miss? Please be specific. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue May 29 10:00:23 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by Fred G on Tue May 29 09:25:11 2012. I'm stopping following a lot of stuff here..Like an Old Toy after a while.. It Breaks... Now its More of the Topics than folks posting in my opinion.. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 29 12:25:10 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by Train Dude on Tue May 29 09:37:47 2012. I love how leftists just type +1 or the like when someone posts something they want to hear. More of their "facts". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 29 12:25:40 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by Fred G on Tue May 29 09:06:25 2012. LOL!! Yeah, that woman is a "winner". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 29 12:27:49 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by Fred G on Tue May 29 09:25:11 2012. I even almost stopped following trains here!*.Well, since the M train was combined with the V*, and a few bouts with the Rockaway Branch, there's not much to talk about.... *Joke Disclaimer for the super serious. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue May 29 12:29:37 2012, in response to George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by dand124 on Mon May 28 22:22:07 2012. In case anyone doesn't want to read it, the summary presented is zimmermann's version along with a bunch of quotes from neighbors' 911 calls that don't help much but tend to not contradict zimmermann, although all anyone saw was the end and no one was really sure what they saw. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 29 13:25:22 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by Train Dude on Tue May 29 09:37:29 2012. Crickets? Do I hear crickets? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 29 13:27:04 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by Fred G on Tue May 29 09:06:25 2012. My wife loves her show. I've seen too often where when people disagree with her she gives them the "bums rush" off the air. I think it should be Nancy Disgrace. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 29 13:30:06 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by AlM on Tue May 29 08:48:42 2012. Sadly, it's true. I have always advocated that we "wait for the evidence" before condemning Zimmerman. However, I always assumed he was guilty of something. I assumed getting out of the car and following Martin, while not in itself a crime, probably initiated the entire incident. I still believe this. However, I never suspected that a prosecutor would file murder charges against Zimmerman and have absolutely nothing. This is a slam dunk acquittal on self-defense grounds as long as we have an unbiased jury. Since that will be hard, I suggest the defense ask for trial by judge (as is his right). The DA who filed these charges should be disbarred, and she alone is responsible for any violence in reaction to the inevitable exoneration of Mr. Zimmerman.A lot of people on here owe me an apology. I'm waiting ... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 29 13:31:53 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by Fred G on Tue May 29 09:06:25 2012. Nancy Grace is an idiot. This person is a well respected defense attorney (and no right wing zealot). Consider the site it was posted to ... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 29 13:33:10 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by Railman718 on Tue May 29 09:09:31 2012. A lot of people have some serious apologizing to do, and also must admit to being wrong. Sadly, as we saw with the Tawana Brawley hoax, few will actually admit to being WRONG. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue May 29 13:38:37 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 29 13:30:06 2012. You don't yet know if she has more evidence. I wouldn't be surprised if she has more evidence than in this report, but less than would be sufficient for a murder conviction. If so, she is also guilty of serious misconduct, because prosecutors shouldn't overreach.But it's all speculation until we know what she has. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 29 13:38:42 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by Easy on Tue May 29 12:29:37 2012. The real story here is what motivated the DA to file murder charges. She has had all of this since day 1. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 29 13:43:35 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by AlM on Tue May 29 13:38:37 2012. There won't be any more eyewitnesses worth anything because their testimony will be suspect due to the publicity this case has received. The amount of eyewitnesses who will give evidence is fixed to what's in the police report. I'm not sure what else she could have? A videotape of the shooting which directly contradicts all the eyewitnesses?It's also telling there was NO grand jury. In Florida, you don't need them for 2nd degree murder indictments, even if it's standard procedure to call them anyway. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue May 29 14:33:25 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 29 12:27:49 2012. LOL @ M and V and the loss of 2nd Avenue :Pyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by AlM on Tue May 29 14:42:38 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by Fred G on Tue May 29 14:33:25 2012. The rumors of Second Ave being lost are greatly exaggerated. It's still there. :) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 29 14:46:50 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 29 12:27:49 2012. Yeah, nothing interesting will happen until 2017, when the R179's arrive and we begin the countdown to the SAS opening. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue May 29 14:55:04 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 29 13:31:53 2012. People generally talk a lot of shit until they put their hand on a bible tho...your pal, Fred |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue May 29 15:23:20 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by G1Ravage on Mon May 28 22:36:40 2012. Problem was he was instructed to NOT pursue. All the prosecution is ask "did you ignore the orders given to you by the dispatcher" and he can either A) yes admit he did or B) say no and basically lie on the stand. |
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By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 29 21:08:28 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by bingbong on Tue May 29 09:01:01 2012. "From What I recall of the evidence that's been public, there's a LOT the author of that article missed."As I asked earlier and never received an answer to; What evidence did the author of the article miss? |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue May 29 21:22:23 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by AlM on Tue May 29 14:42:38 2012. Second Avenue is still there, but the El is gone and we still are waiting for the Second Avenue Subway to fully open. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue May 29 21:29:59 2012, in response to George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by dand124 on Mon May 28 22:22:07 2012. Am I the only one here that doesn't give a darn if Zimmerman is found guilty or innocent? It's about 1400 miles away from me and I have nothing to do with any parties.And like the global warming vs no global warming issue, how did it become a left/right thing? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 29 21:32:09 2012, in response to Re: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue May 29 21:29:59 2012. You're getting more incoherent than Mitch. |
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Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 29 21:34:07 2012, in response to By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario), posted by Train Dude on Tue May 29 21:08:28 2012. LOL ... you're an absolute piss. You treat bingbong like shit, you don't pay her, you're not her boss and somehow you think she OWES you something after never bothering to prove any of YOUR claims? LOLYeah, take a number ... your call is important to us ... please remain on the line for the next available support droid ... |
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Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario) |
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Posted by JohnL on Wed May 30 00:08:53 2012, in response to Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario), posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 29 21:34:07 2012. Nice to hear that Brit voice is saying FU though! |
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Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 30 00:11:58 2012, in response to Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario), posted by JohnL on Wed May 30 00:08:53 2012. Yes, his call is important to us. :) |
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Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 30 00:31:20 2012, in response to Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 30 00:11:58 2012. "WE LOOK FORWARD TO SERVING YOU AS A VALUED CUSTOMER..PLEASE HOLD WHILE I CONNECT YOU WITH A SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE..TO ENSURE YOU HAVE A PLEASANT EXPERIENCE,THIS CALL MAY BE MONITORED..THANK YOU..!" |
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Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 30 00:36:01 2012, in response to Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario), posted by Edwards! on Wed May 30 00:31:20 2012. We're sorry. All of our representatives are at lunch right now. Please leave a message and we will return you call soon.
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Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario) |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed May 30 02:22:01 2012, in response to Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario), posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 29 21:34:07 2012. LOL What did you do??? |
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Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 30 02:32:49 2012, in response to Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario), posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 29 21:34:07 2012. bingbong:did anyone mention to him that Sandra Fluke is Jewish? OTC means you have to get them at the pharmacy counter. someone here stated that she was Catholic "Ides" is the 15th of any month. |
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Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 30 02:47:59 2012, in response to Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 30 02:32:49 2012.  |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 30 02:48:41 2012, in response to Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario), posted by G1Ravage on Wed May 30 02:22:01 2012. I put him on hold. Check sauce for 1x1 px. :) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 30 02:58:02 2012, in response to Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 30 02:47:59 2012. Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario) (945305) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 30 03:10:32 2012, in response to Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 30 02:58:02 2012. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 30 04:11:46 2012, in response to Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 30 03:10:32 2012. Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario) (945305) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 30 04:19:05 2012, in response to Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 30 04:11:46 2012. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed May 30 08:27:47 2012, in response to Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 30 02:47:59 2012. +1,000,000 |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed May 30 08:31:38 2012, in response to Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 30 02:47:59 2012. You are so wrong with that! :o) |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Wed May 30 16:22:15 2012, in response to Re: By The Way Bing Bong (was: George Zimmerman: The Most Likely Scenario), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 30 04:11:46 2012.  
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