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Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 18 11:41:38 2012

It is good to know that in America, where everyone is entitled to a jury by trial, both George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin have been tried and each has been found innocent or guilty by Chris R16/R2730 and JayZeeBMT. Never mind the fact that neither one of them is a member of a prosecution team, defense team, or the actual Florida jury that will get to hear the actual case as opposed to what we find out through the media.

Aren't the Internet and America just great???

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Re: Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri May 18 12:08:11 2012, in response to Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 18 11:41:38 2012.

Yes, the Internet and America are just great because we can express our opinions freely, thank you.

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Re: Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by SLRT on Fri May 18 12:13:10 2012, in response to Re: Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri May 18 12:08:11 2012.

+1

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Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 13:09:28 2012, in response to Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 18 11:41:38 2012.

I'm not the one who jumped to an immediate conclusion immediately after the story broke, without waiting for the evidence. I am still not asserting anything conclusively, just passing along the actual evidence in the case and hypothesizing what it could mean.

The only thing I am asserting here (besides the idea that Zimmerman was a racist and "hunted" down Martin because he was black is absolute bullshit) is that the charges against Zimmerman are unsustainable based on what is publically known as of this date. Because the idiot prosecutor decided to swing for the fences and only charge him with the most severe of offense (2nd degree murder) there's absolutely no way any jury could put Zimmerman in prison.

Getting out of the car could sustain a charge of reckless endangerment and put Zimmerman in prison for 3-5 years. But black people want blood, a lot more than an E felony.

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Re: Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin


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Re: Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 18 13:45:10 2012, in response to Re: Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri May 18 12:08:11 2012.

You were not expressing your opinion. You were stating it as fact. You said he was a murderer and/or had committed murder.

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Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by Fred G on Fri May 18 14:02:09 2012, in response to Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 13:09:28 2012.

You really don't have enough info to make anything more than an assumption. Other than that you're only grandstanding.

Your pal,
Fred

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Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 14:33:50 2012, in response to Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by Fred G on Fri May 18 14:02:09 2012.

I am simply passing along all the available evidence, evidence which is damning to the lynch mob mentality many immediately embraced here.

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Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by AlM on Fri May 18 14:36:43 2012, in response to Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 14:33:50 2012.

Many?

How many people here have said that Zimmerman was obviously guilty of murder? I think 2.


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Re: Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri May 18 14:45:41 2012, in response to Re: Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 18 13:45:10 2012.

So does Angela Corey, the prosecutor.

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Re: Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 18 15:05:18 2012, in response to Re: Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri May 18 14:45:41 2012.

No she doesn't. That's the state's belief. They will try to prove it using facts.

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Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri May 18 15:16:56 2012, in response to Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 14:33:50 2012.

"I am simply passing along all the available evidence, evidence which is damning to the lynch mob mentality many immediately embraced here."

There is alot more evidence the public does not know about.

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Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by Train Dude on Fri May 18 17:49:46 2012, in response to Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri May 18 15:16:56 2012.

What is that evidence?

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Re: Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 18 20:10:45 2012, in response to Re: Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri May 18 12:08:11 2012.

Yes. And everyone else also has the freedom to call you out that your opinion is NOT only against OUR COUNTRY's "Innocent until proven guilty" concept, but you are also a complete hypocrite, as many times YOU HAVE accused others of doing the "Guilty until proven innocent" crap you are pushing on this case, when it fits your victim status agenda (such as if the perpetrator was a Black man, or a gay man, or some other victim status group).
You have proven yourself very well at being on whatever side of the net the Black, gay, or name some other victim status group is on.

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Re: Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 18 20:13:06 2012, in response to Re: Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri May 18 14:45:41 2012.

No, she doesn't. She is on the side of the STATE, and in THIS COUNTRY, you are INNOCENT until proven guilty. He is accused of ALLEGEDLY committing murder. It's ALLEGED. You believe in Guilty until proven guilty (well at least when it fits your agenda).

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Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 18 20:15:04 2012, in response to Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 13:09:28 2012.

Because the idiot prosecutor decided to swing for the fences and only charge him with the most severe of offense (2nd degree murder) there's absolutely no way any jury could put Zimmerman in prison.


You can thank activists like JayZee for her doing that. They made her jump the gun and every day the case holds less and less water for murder.

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Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 18 20:18:16 2012, in response to Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by Fred G on Fri May 18 14:02:09 2012.

I don't disagree, that both sides are grandstanding, but I don't see you saying what you just said to him to the people that have him tried and convicted of murder, without benefit of a trial. I can't think of many things MORE unAmerican than denying someone a trial, and having them guilty until proven innocent. People here are even defending this outrage by saying they have a right to an opinion. They sure do, but others can also point out how unAmerican it is to deny people the basic American concept of "Innocent until proven guilty".


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Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by Fred G on Fri May 18 20:25:29 2012, in response to Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 18 20:15:04 2012.

Whoa whoa...I think the fact that she thinks she has a case had more to do with that.

Besides, whenever I hear anyone say "there's absolutely no way...", I'm pretty sure the next thing I'm going to hear is there is a way.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 18 20:27:42 2012, in response to Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by Fred G on Fri May 18 20:25:29 2012.

Well for the record "I" never said "there's absolutely no way". I am just saying that the murder charge is holding less and less water right now as more evidence is turning up.

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Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by Fred G on Fri May 18 20:34:57 2012, in response to Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 18 20:18:16 2012.

Zimmerman has a trial coming up. I've suggested to all that we wait for it.

Some people here feel Zimmerman is guilty of murder. So what? He might just be.

your pal,
Fred



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Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by Fred G on Fri May 18 20:38:17 2012, in response to Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 18 20:27:42 2012.

I didn't say you, but the other Chris.

I like to wait til trial, since everybody who testifies has to do so under oath. I'm really not sure if Zimmerman is guilty or not.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by bingbong on Fri May 18 21:13:37 2012, in response to Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 18 20:27:42 2012.

OnCBS TV, they had a slew of very incriminating evidence...including transcripts from Mr Martin's phone call with his girlfriend, where he discussed this guy that was following him. I believe it also included the initial exchange between the victim and shooter.

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Re: Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri May 18 21:15:02 2012, in response to Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 18 11:41:38 2012.

What's the matter? People can't debate current events any more?

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Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri May 18 22:08:09 2012, in response to Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by Fred G on Fri May 18 20:34:57 2012.

Of course.....or he may not be....thats what a trial is for. This isnt clear cut....thats why we have the presumption of innocence until proven otherwise.

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Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by Rockparkman on Fri May 18 22:09:57 2012, in response to Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri May 18 22:08:09 2012.

Zimmerman IS entitled to a trial.

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Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by Fred G on Fri May 18 22:16:44 2012, in response to Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri May 18 22:08:09 2012.

Right, and wouldn't the dead guy be presumed innocent until proven guilty as well?

your pal,
Fred

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Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by Rockparkman on Fri May 18 22:27:39 2012, in response to Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by Fred G on Fri May 18 22:16:44 2012.

Even so, "Zim" gets a trial.

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Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri May 18 22:27:50 2012, in response to Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by Fred G on Fri May 18 22:16:44 2012.

Yes. I havnt passed jundgement on him either. The tragedy of this is he cant have his dy in court.....but that doesnt make zimmerman necessarily guilty of murder either.

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Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by Train Dude on Fri May 18 22:33:13 2012, in response to Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by bingbong on Fri May 18 21:13:37 2012.

"I believe it also included the initial exchange between the victim and shooter."

Either it did or it didn't. Stop posting garbage.


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Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by Fred G on Fri May 18 22:46:07 2012, in response to Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri May 18 22:27:50 2012.

No it doesn't but in response to R27 Chris' wall of noise, it's hard to feel like Zimmerman is any kind of underdog, so I say let him have his day in court and let's see what happens.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat May 19 14:31:26 2012, in response to Re: Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri May 18 12:08:11 2012.

No one is denying you the right to express your opinion freely, but as others have pointed out, you pass your opinions off as facts that can't actually be verified.

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Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat May 19 14:34:02 2012, in response to Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 14:33:50 2012.

In my opinion, the evidence suggests that Trayvon Martin was not the angelic figure some here make him out to be. That said, I'm not sure he should be dead at this moment.

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Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat May 19 14:35:00 2012, in response to Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 13:09:28 2012.

I'm not the one who jumped to an immediate conclusion immediately after the story broke, without waiting for the evidence. I am still not asserting anything conclusively, just passing along the actual evidence in the case and hypothesizing what it could mean.


Do you have all the evidence yet? If not, you are no better than JayZee right now IMHO...

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Re: Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by Edwards! on Sat May 19 15:06:20 2012, in response to Re: Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 18 20:13:06 2012.

you can "alleged" anything you want...
The FACTS are..George KILLED Trayvon with a gun during a so called "struggle".
What lead up to that is the reason the trial is taking place.

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Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by Edwards! on Sat May 19 15:15:32 2012, in response to Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 13:09:28 2012.

Hah...if someone in your family was killed by a nutcase..wouldn't you want to see justice carried out? I would be looking for the harshest counts on the books and make up a few new ones...

Stop frontin'..we KNOW what your position is on ANY issue along racial/political lines..Your "idea" of JUSTICE is to let this guy go free...BUT if the positions were reversed..you'd be out in the streets saying "FRY DAT NIGGER...to hell with due process!"

Get the fuck outtdahhere with the bullshit.

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Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by Edwards! on Sat May 19 15:20:20 2012, in response to Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 18 13:09:28 2012.

what do You know,that STATE DOESN'T?


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Re: Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun May 20 04:29:10 2012, in response to Re: Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by Edwards! on Sat May 19 15:06:20 2012.

Correct. Killing may or may not be murder, that's the point.

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Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun May 20 04:33:34 2012, in response to Re: JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat May 19 14:34:02 2012.

Well he definitely shouldn't be dead. But yes, the extremists are classifying him as an angel which isn't correct either.

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Re: Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by TERRapin station on Mon May 21 12:53:27 2012, in response to Re: Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 18 15:05:18 2012.

Bump

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Re: Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin

Posted by TERRapin station on Mon May 21 12:54:11 2012, in response to Re: Chris R16/R2730, JayZeeBMT, George Zimmerman, and Trayvon Martin, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun May 20 04:29:10 2012.

LOL! It's weeks later and some people still don't get that idea.

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