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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 08:04:12 2012 The TWU was in attendance. Not quite the "jobless, worthless leeches on society" some people here have characterized OWS as...just sayin'... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 2 08:15:11 2012, in response to At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 08:04:12 2012. So because the TWU "was there", it means that the kind of people at OWS in general are "not quite the jobless, worthless leeches" type?? What in the world are you talking about? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 08:29:16 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 2 08:15:11 2012. Organized labor comprises a considerable segment of the OWS movement, as it has from the beginning. The "kind of people" participating in OWS activities are often employed members of the 99%, as opposed to the mischaracterization of them as jobless bums in the street. The TWU, UFT, 1199, CWA, 32BJ, IBEW, Actors' Equity, 802, AFTRA, DC 37, and ILU, to name but a few labor unions out of many, are a constant presence among OWS protesters.In addition, as many people posting here are members of the TWU or other labor unions, it is perhaps enlightening to show them that many of the "Jobless, worthless leeches" at OWS they complain about, are, in reality, their co-workers. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 2 08:37:51 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 08:29:16 2012. So they work with moronic bums who look like homeless wretches??? You're digging yourself into an even bigger hole... |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 08:49:15 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 2 08:37:51 2012. No, I'm not. Have you ever even seen an OWS event firsthand? Most of those taking part are not "homeless wretches", nor do they look like that. Besides, it is the right of every American to protest, homeless or otherwise. Stop your word humping; it's disgusting. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 2 08:56:11 2012, in response to At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 08:04:12 2012. Well the TWU has had a long history of taking its eye off the ball. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed May 2 09:01:04 2012, in response to At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 08:04:12 2012. Its all well and good but TWU should be focused on OUR Contract battle. As well as assisting Members who call them and either get no repsonse or somebody else to call back for help than a PR Thing..Just saying... |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 09:02:15 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by Train Dude on Wed May 2 08:56:11 2012. Really? What would working conditions for hourly employees at NYCT be like without the TWU? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 2 09:08:11 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by Railman718 on Wed May 2 09:01:04 2012. exactly! But as I said, the TWU has had a long history of taking its eye off the ball. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 09:08:25 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by Railman718 on Wed May 2 09:01:04 2012. I would venture to say that as labor issues were a central theme of yesterday's OWS events, the TWU was right to have a very public presence there. I do think the TWU will be appropriately diligent about their contract with the MTA. There is a Mayoral election coming up, which I think makes the political climate favorable for the union. TWU members as a voting bloc are fairly reliable, not something a candidate wants to alienate.As for the call center, I think that comes down to one of the bugaboos of our time: do you get a human or a machine when you call them? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 2 09:10:10 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 09:02:15 2012. You really have some reading comprehension issues, Nathan. My point was that the employees of NYCT should be the TWUs only concern. The employees of NYCT pay the TWU to represent their interests. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 09:10:10 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by Train Dude on Wed May 2 09:08:11 2012. I'm still not following you. Yesterday's main theme was organized labor, which is the TWU's raison d'etre. I don't think it's "taking their eye off the ball" to have a visible presence at Union Square. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 09:11:18 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by Train Dude on Wed May 2 09:10:10 2012. Yes, and I'm saying that by having a visible presence at OWS yesterday, the TWU is acting in the interest of its members. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 2 09:14:06 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 09:11:18 2012. How exactly is that in the interests of its members?Will it get them better working conditions - NO Will it get them a fair contract - No. Will it give them greater job security - No. Stop the socialist rhetoric. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed May 2 09:14:44 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 09:08:25 2012. I do think the TWU will be appropriately diligent about their contract with the MTA.As i said while its all good for PR purposes.. We havent even heard Boo about whats going on with this... TWU members as a voting bloc are fairly reliable, not something a candidate wants to alienate. Really? Could have fooled me... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed May 2 09:16:00 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 09:11:18 2012. Yes, and I'm saying that by having a visible presence at OWS yesterday, the TWU is acting in the interest of its members.Surely thats your opinion right? Im not gonna rag on you Brother but i Beg to differ... |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 09:26:38 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by Train Dude on Wed May 2 09:14:06 2012. "Socialist rhetoric"? Please. Think about it. By having a visible public presence at an event whose central theme is organized labor, the TWU is raising awareness about its members, who take the 99% (who buy Metrocards and vote on transit issues) to and from work, school, and recreation. The public elects politicians who may be favorable to the TWU's cause, (and who appoint the MTA board members with whom the TWU must do business), so I think it behooves the union to be seen at events like OWS. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 09:29:35 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by Railman718 on Wed May 2 09:16:00 2012. The TWU is raising public awareness of the organization by making appearances at big events like OWS. That is good for the membership. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed May 2 09:32:57 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 09:29:35 2012. The TWU is raising public awareness of the organization by making appearances at big events like OWS. That is good for the membership.It must be assaults on our members are up this year... There was TWO more last night i heard... :o( |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 09:40:55 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by Railman718 on Wed May 2 09:32:57 2012. THAT's not good! |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Wed May 2 09:44:29 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 08:49:15 2012. Besides the fact that I don't "word hump", there was no "word humping" in that post whatsoever. Learn how to read. Furthermore, yesterday was Workers Day in many countries and that's likely why so many unions we're out and about. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed May 2 09:45:33 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 09:40:55 2012. See my point then? |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Wed May 2 09:48:11 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 09:29:35 2012. You don't think that their participation will make some or many people think LESS of them for it? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 09:58:29 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by TERRapin station on Wed May 2 09:48:11 2012. No. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Wed May 2 10:38:19 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 09:58:29 2012. That's delusional. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 10:44:16 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by TERRapin station on Wed May 2 10:38:19 2012. Why? Because it doesn't fit your perception of OWS as "homeless wretches"? |
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Posted by Easy on Wed May 2 10:47:47 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 10:44:16 2012. Besides you who ever called them homeless wretches? Are you quoting yourself? |
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Posted by Gamera on Wed May 2 10:56:23 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by Easy on Wed May 2 10:47:47 2012. 
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed May 2 11:07:35 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 10:44:16 2012. Because multiple people here, TWU members and non-TWU members, don't seem to see the supposed benefits that going to this rally provides to the union's image. I, for one, generally support the supposed ideas behind the OWS movement. However, they are so far off message much of the time and cause so much vandalism, damage to public property, and are a nuisance in other ways, that it is hard to support their cause while I go to work day in and day out and have done quite well for myself considering the economic climate in the US right now (including a 6000 mile move to get the best job opportunity that I had at that time). I was perplexed as to why the ATU in Washington, DC was at the Occupy rally there yesterday, and still don't get why the TWU in New York is going to rallies organized by divisive "organizations" (to the extent OWS is an organization) when TWU's public standing is pretty low as it is from what I know. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 2 11:09:09 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 08:49:15 2012. bumpBesides the fact that I don't "word hump", there was no "word humping" in that post whatsoever. Learn how to read. Furthermore, yesterday was Workers Day in many countries and that's likely why so many unions we're out and about. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed May 2 11:11:20 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by TERRapin station on Wed May 2 10:38:19 2012. I wonder if Mubarak has left Egypt and made it to the UAE yet... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 2 11:13:17 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 10:44:16 2012. Huh? Where do I come into this? You wrote "the "jobless, worthless leeches on society" some people here have characterized OWS as". It's those people, as well as anyone else who shares those views, as well as any one who has much less extreme views of OWS yet still views them negatively, who I am speaking of. I think that some/,any of them would think less of the TWU for participating in the OWS events yesterday. And since you already admitted that some people look negatively upon OWS, it is delusional of you, as I said, to think that people wouldn't think less of the TWU for participating. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 2 11:14:55 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by Easy on Wed May 2 10:47:47 2012. I replaced the word "leeches" that he used with the word "wretches". But, as you correctly implied, I was referring to his description of them. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 2 11:15:13 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed May 2 11:11:20 2012. LOL! |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed May 2 11:53:34 2012, in response to At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 08:04:12 2012. But see if the TWU members would have any of the average 99% percenter eat or stay at their home!Its very ironic that the TWU leadership support the right of freedom of speech for the protestors but see what they do to each other if they try to speak or write about the wrongs they are doing to the membership. Then they will go to any means to shut their opponents up. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 2 12:01:31 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed May 2 11:53:34 2012. Ehhh STFU.LOL just kidding. Welcome back and hope all is going well. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 2 12:09:18 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed May 2 11:53:34 2012. Ehhh STFU.LOL just kidding. Welcome back and hope all is going well. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 12:42:11 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by Easy on Wed May 2 10:47:47 2012. I'm quoting The Turtle. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 12:46:57 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 2 11:14:55 2012. Hey, word-humping troll, I was describing the way OTHERS here have characterized OWS. Your words "homeless wretches" are yours alone. Take ownership of your behavior. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed May 2 12:49:01 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by Fred G on Wed May 2 12:01:31 2012. LOL thanks Fred! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 2 13:02:07 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 12:42:11 2012. And I was in-turn paraphrasing you. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 2 13:07:57 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 12:46:57 2012. Hey, word-humping troll Once again, not only do I not do that, but there was no such word humping in this post or thread. I was describing the way OTHERS here have characterized OWS. Obviously. Why would you think some one doesn't know that? Your words "homeless wretches" are yours alone. You = reading comprehension fail. You used "jobless, worthless leeches on society" and jobless bums and "Jobless, worthless leeches" to describe how others apparently view the OWS people. In my post, I paraphrased that by saying "homeless wretches". I was referring back to what you wrote. Take ownership of your behavior. Behavior? I was paraphrasing what you wrote. What about that does your small mind not comprehend? The whole point of this thread is discussing what you wrote in the original post. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 13:17:07 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 2 13:07:57 2012. You are NOT Andy Kaufman/Tony Clifton, no matter how hard you try to make yourself as annoying as possible. How is using completely different language--I didn't use the "homeless" or "wretches" in my OP--considered "paraphrasing" in any way? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 2 13:29:10 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 13:17:07 2012. You are NOT Andy Kaufman/Tony Clifton, no matter how hard you try to make yourself as annoying as possible. ?? How is using completely different language--I didn't use the "homeless" or "wretches" in my OP--considered "paraphrasing" in any way? It's a pretty reaching paraphrase, I admit that. It was due to the logistics of my posting situation. If the situation were different, I could have easily gone back and reread what you wrote in order to use either your exact words or something closer to what you said. But it shouldn't have been difficult for anyone to figure out that I was referring back to the descriptions you used in the first couple posts in the thread -- you know, since (AGAIN) that's what the whole thread is about. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 13:33:08 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 2 13:29:10 2012. You have posted here as "Tony Clifton", the name of Andy Kaufman's hyper-annoying stage character, whose attitude you try so hard to reproduce here. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 2 13:44:03 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 13:33:08 2012. What does that have to do with this thread? And how come you ignored the rest of my post? Are you admitting that you were wrong and that I was in fact paraphrasing you, as is obvious to most and as I've told you several times? I hope that's what you are doing. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 14:15:25 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 2 13:44:03 2012. No, I'm not admitting to anything, especially since you weren't "paraphrasing" me at all, just playing another of your many pathetic, bizarre word games. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed May 2 14:31:56 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 2 14:15:25 2012. You two should take this show on the road...you're funnier than Martin and Lewis! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 2 15:21:50 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by Dave on Wed May 2 14:31:56 2012. It's not funny, it's sad. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 2 15:27:27 2012, in response to Re: At Yesterday's OWS Protests In Union Square..., posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 2 15:21:50 2012. Very true. |
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