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Posted by Dave on Mon Apr 30 13:26:00 2012 Wonder what the tree huggers are going to say about this? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Apr 30 13:36:39 2012, in response to Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by Dave on Mon Apr 30 13:26:00 2012. Wonder what the tree huggers are going to say about this?Nothing needs to be said. The correct question is the following. What is their impact on the earth as a whole compared to generating the same amount of energy with: Coal? Gas? Oil? Nuclear? |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 30 13:36:51 2012, in response to Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by Dave on Mon Apr 30 13:26:00 2012. Will you listen to yourself?Any warming caused by windfarms is on a extremely micro basis. It's also temporary, and is the result of already warmer air aloft (it is NOT creating any, or providing any means to maintain heating) being stirred into its downdraft. It is NOT lasting in any way shape or form. It also only applies to the immediate local area. Farmers use the same techniques to mitigate/minimize frost damage to crops. It is NOT, I repeat NOT causing any widespread, large scale climate abberation. Not like pouring carbon (which enables heat retention) into the atmosphere on a global basis in immense quantities is capable of. Then again, check the source and save yourself 2 minutes. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 30 13:43:53 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by AlM on Mon Apr 30 13:36:39 2012. Shouldn't this have been investigated before governments invested billions in wind farms? |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 30 13:53:09 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 30 13:43:53 2012. {giggle} No. It is a well known fact. When you stir up the air, the warmer air aloft raises the surface temperature as it's pushed down. It's not unknown.....the technique's usually done with helicopters to keep oranges from freezing in Florida, and apples (they bloomed early, maybe as a result of REAL global warming?) from the same fate in upstate NY, just last night. It's an entirely local phenomena, and doesn't affect anything beyond the area where the windfarm physically is. You don't know this? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 30 14:27:36 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 30 13:43:53 2012. That's what the left does. They love their ideas on paper, and it sounds wonderful, but most of their ideas (as well as policy) doesn't work in the real world when done. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 30 14:29:10 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 30 14:27:36 2012. If only the real world was a classroom. Liberal ideology would work perfectly! |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Apr 30 14:31:26 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 30 13:43:53 2012. It has been investigated. You just don't like the answer.PS. Just because wind farms cause less overall warming than other forms of power generation doesn't mean they are perfect. They have lots of flaws. But you want to totally demonize them and say that everything about them is bad, not just some things. And that's just bad science on your part. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 30 14:31:53 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 30 14:27:36 2012. Do you have any idea what you're talking about?Clearly not. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 30 14:33:26 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by AlM on Mon Apr 30 14:31:26 2012. It has been investigated. You just don't like the answer.I don't like spending billions and THEN learning you're getting any advantage. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Apr 30 14:40:17 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 30 14:27:36 2012. Which form of energy production, unsubsidized by government, do you like? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Apr 30 14:42:05 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 30 14:33:26 2012. No, the small scale trials and studies were done first.So which form of energy production do you favor? I'm sure your choice will be a form that does not receive government subsidies. Otherwise you would be proving your failure to think about the issue. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 30 14:44:07 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by AlM on Mon Apr 30 13:36:39 2012. I believe that the Earth is warming but I don't believe the cause is man-made. I think the Earth is warming because we are in a warming cycle. A previous warming cycle ended the Ice Age.And if you want to quote scientists, fine. How many of these scientists were also panicked about global cooling in the 1970's? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Apr 30 15:22:43 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 30 14:44:07 2012. Just because some scientists are panicked doesn't mean almost all scientists are wrong.The earth was cooling up till 1970. Other factors were overcoming the effect of increased CO2 buildup. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Apr 30 16:10:02 2012, in response to Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by Dave on Mon Apr 30 13:26:00 2012. Wonder what the tree huggers are going to say about this?Use less energy. |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Apr 30 17:10:42 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by AlM on Mon Apr 30 14:40:17 2012. Bovine flatulence! |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Apr 30 18:42:16 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 30 14:27:36 2012. Ah, dodging the question. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Mon Apr 30 18:45:10 2012, in response to Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by Dave on Mon Apr 30 13:26:00 2012. any BULLSHIT to defend Nazi oil, SCUMBAG Texan. The only heroes at the Alamo wore Mexican Army uniforms. They wiped out the Nazi slave traders like RATS. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 30 19:14:20 2012, in response to Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by Dave on Mon Apr 30 13:26:00 2012. HeheThe data showed a direct correlation between night-time temperatures increases of 0.72 degrees C (1.3 degrees F) and the placement of the farms. ooohhh, I'm shakin :) Zhou cautioned that his study used satellite data, which can have errors from clouds, for example, rather than temperature readings taken at the surface. He said he hopes to improve his dataset, and look at wind farms in other parts of the world. ok, helps to read the whole article. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 30 19:37:46 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by Dave on Mon Apr 30 17:10:42 2012. I like the sound of that! :)your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Mon Apr 30 19:42:54 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by AlM on Mon Apr 30 14:40:17 2012. Nazis like oil. As J.R. Ewing used to say, Oil is ALL!!! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 30 19:55:51 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 30 19:14:20 2012. And of course, when it gets below freezing and blooms are on the apple trees, farmers have to rent helicopters to push the warmer air aloft down onto the trees ... bring on them windmills! :) |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Apr 30 20:37:39 2012, in response to Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by Dave on Mon Apr 30 13:26:00 2012. 1.3 degree Fahrenheit ?? now lets compare that number to how much a comparable nuke or coal plant would produce |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 30 21:01:31 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Apr 30 20:37:39 2012. How about some idling motor vehicles covering same acreage?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Apr 30 21:25:02 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 30 13:53:09 2012. hahahhahahahhaha What do you expect. He also didn't know that BMW was moving to Detroit. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 30 21:51:11 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by AlM on Mon Apr 30 18:42:16 2012. ?????????????????Excuse me for working all evening, and not having the time to log onto subchat within 3 hours of your post at your whim. In any event, I don't find spending billions of dollars on something, and then finding out the flaws to be productive either. And it's not the first time, millions were spent on solar energy companies that went out of business with months of that investment too. I totally understand we have to break our dependence on just oil, but spending billions on the unknown isn't efficient either. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Tue May 1 08:32:14 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by AlM on Mon Apr 30 14:31:26 2012. Bad science? Chris isn't known for his science or his logic or his intelligence or his apologies or his admissions of error. So why do you bother? |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Tue May 1 08:33:24 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 30 14:27:36 2012. Bull. And you know it. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue May 1 08:35:04 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 30 21:51:11 2012. We've spent hundreds of billions of dollars subsidizing oil after it was a proven technology. That doesn't bother you. But spending hundreds of millions subsidizing wind energy does bother you. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 1 08:36:25 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 30 14:27:36 2012. You claim to hate both sides equally and to be a moderate, but when have you ever posted something about "what the right does?" |
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Posted by AlM on Tue May 1 08:44:46 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by TERRapin station on Tue May 1 08:32:14 2012. So why do you bother?It can be fun. Also to remind others here that Chris's quasi-science isn't credible, in case they might forget. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 1 10:16:30 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by AlM on Tue May 1 08:44:46 2012. We're on the same exact wavelength, man. Good answer. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 1 10:17:32 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 1 08:36:25 2012. IIRC he claims to hate both Republicans and Democrats equally, but not "the left" and "the right". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 1 10:39:11 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by AlM on Tue May 1 08:35:04 2012. We all need gas for our cars. So thank god the government subsidized it, as it would be even more expensive than it already is. We aren't going to drive wind cars. Trucks bringing goods to stores and restaurants won't run on wind. The entire economy is affected by oil prices. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue May 1 10:54:01 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 1 10:39:11 2012. We all need gas for our cars. So thank god the government subsidized it, as it would be even more expensive than it already is.So stop the oil subsidies, let the taxpayers keep the money, and let us choose what kind of energy we want to buy with it. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue May 1 10:55:38 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 1 10:39:11 2012. There is no need to subsidize profitable large oil companies. Those funds should be going to alternative energy research, with the caveat that those receiving the grants show the results of their work, even if it's failure. Proposals must be within scientific reason. This way big energy companies can't simply apply for and then bury the money unaccountably. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 1 10:57:44 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue May 1 10:54:01 2012. ???? How is that helping us fuel our cars or trucks deliver goods? They run on gas. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 1 10:58:25 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by bingbong on Tue May 1 10:55:38 2012. Yes, like Solar companies Obama pumped millions into and then they go out of business, taking the money with them. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue May 1 11:00:34 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 1 10:57:44 2012. There's more to energy than running motor vehicles. We need to heat and light our homes for instance.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 1 11:05:46 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by Fred G on Tue May 1 11:00:34 2012. Of course. But we were talking about the oil subsidies and why they are important. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue May 1 11:09:58 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 1 10:58:25 2012. Risk is part of investment. That's reality.It isn't like the republcian-twisted socialize loss, keep the profit. That demented concept is what brought us here. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue May 1 11:20:25 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 1 10:39:11 2012. You are now noted as being on record for supporting corporate welfare with taxpayer funds to some of the most profitable companies in the world. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue May 1 11:31:08 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 1 11:05:46 2012. True, but there are coal subsidies as well.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 1 11:33:42 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by Fred G on Tue May 1 11:31:08 2012. We have a lot of coal in this country. The left doesn't like coal, but it's a natural resource that should be encouraged to be used. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue May 1 12:09:56 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 1 11:33:42 2012. Wind is a natural resource too but it shouldn't be encouraged?If the US didn't subsidize oil production, electric cars would be more economical relatively speaking. The US is going out of its way to discourage them. Is that reasonable? |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue May 1 12:18:49 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 1 11:33:42 2012. I guess you're not a fan of breathing. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue May 1 12:25:23 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 1 11:33:42 2012. It's costly to mine and it burns dirty.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue May 1 12:29:05 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by SMAZ on Tue May 1 11:20:25 2012. Including on ethta was until very recently, the richest on earth. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 1 12:35:49 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by AlM on Tue May 1 12:09:56 2012. They aren't going "out of their way" to discourage them. The technology is not yet such that makes them practical. In the meantime, oil must be kept affordable, as our entire economy is reliant on it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 1 12:58:45 2012, in response to Re: Wind farms are warming the earth, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue May 1 12:35:49 2012. Yes they are. Subsidizing the competition is going "out of their way." |
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