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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 30 14:49:16 2012, in response to 1975 Newsweek Article About the Coming Ice Age, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 30 14:47:48 2012. I'm not saying that today's scientists are wrong about global warming. I agree that the Earth is warmingWhy and why? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 30 14:55:38 2012, in response to 1975 Newsweek Article About the Coming Ice Age, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 30 14:47:48 2012. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 30 14:57:04 2012, in response to 1975 Newsweek Article About the Coming Ice Age, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 30 14:47:48 2012. Overall, you're probably right,however you need to consider the atmospheric carbon levels are accelerating what would be a slower natural process. In other words, it's probably not entirely anthropomorphic, but we're not helping things either. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 30 15:02:54 2012, in response to Re: 1975 Newsweek Article About the Coming Ice Age, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 30 14:55:38 2012. Still laffing about the Daily Beast getting Newsweek for a song. If they had taken Newsmax's offer, they'd be in better shape, but ideology trumped common sense. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 30 15:06:01 2012, in response to Re: 1975 Newsweek Article About the Coming Ice Age, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 30 15:02:54 2012. Both DB and Politico are tanking, traffic-wise. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Apr 30 15:24:53 2012, in response to 1975 Newsweek Article About the Coming Ice Age, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 30 14:47:48 2012. I just don't put much stock into their scientific proof of man-made warming, because scientists were also fairly certain that the Earth was cooling in 1975. Can't have your cake and eat it too.Have you ever taken a logic course? If you had, you would understand that the following statements are not inherently contradictory. The earth was cooling in 1975. Humans are increasing the level of CO2 in the atmosphere. All other conditions being equal, a higher level of CO2 in the air causes the earth to be warmer. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 30 15:25:46 2012, in response to Re: 1975 Newsweek Article About the Coming Ice Age, posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 30 14:57:04 2012. That may be so; however, it would seem to me that if atmospheric carbon levels are the issue, then scientists should have been more afraid of global warming in 1975 than today. The world in 1975 was absolutely a dirtier place than it is now. There were precious little smog regulations in place on any level of industry; air pollution was rampant in the bigger cities; the installation of the catalytic converter, the most significant pollution control device to be placed in an automobile, was not mandated until 1974, over fifty years after the automobile went into mass production.I don't think you can argue that the world today is a cleaner place than it was in 1975. Yet the big fear then was that we would all freeze to death. Where was the fear of carbon levels then? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Apr 30 15:44:05 2012, in response to Re: 1975 Newsweek Article About the Coming Ice Age, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 30 15:25:46 2012. The world in 1975 was absolutely a dirtier place than it is now.That's a western-centric view. There were far more particulates in the air from burning coal in western cities back then. In the west, the particulates have been removed from power plants and car exhaust but the CO2 has not. In Asia, both particulates and CO2 have increased incredibly. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 30 16:53:48 2012, in response to Re: 1975 Newsweek Article About the Coming Ice Age, posted by AlM on Mon Apr 30 15:24:53 2012. I did take a logic course. Two, in fact, when I was in college. I aced both of them, thank you.Are you suggesting that the amount of carbon in the atmosphere has increased so exponentially since 1975 that all thoughts of global cooling have vanished and we are now being threatened by global warming? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Apr 30 17:26:35 2012, in response to Re: 1975 Newsweek Article About the Coming Ice Age, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 30 16:53:48 2012. The amount of particulates has decreased. Particulates were responsible for cooling the earth. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Mon Apr 30 20:12:33 2012, in response to Re: 1975 Newsweek Article About the Coming Ice Age, posted by AlM on Mon Apr 30 15:24:53 2012. +1 |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Apr 30 21:17:39 2012, in response to Re: 1975 Newsweek Article About the Coming Ice Age, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 30 16:53:48 2012. I am suggesting that the countervailing forces that caused global cooling despite the increasing CO2 in the 50s to 70s have died down. What is so hard to understand about that? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue May 1 03:11:59 2012, in response to Re: 1975 Newsweek Article About the Coming Ice Age, posted by AlM on Mon Apr 30 21:17:39 2012. And what might those countervailing forces be? |
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Posted by WillD on Tue May 1 03:22:41 2012, in response to Re: 1975 Newsweek Article About the Coming Ice Age, posted by Mitch45 on Tue May 1 03:11:59 2012. Sulfur Dioxide and the particulate matter that results from it. Here in the US emissions of this gas have plummeted since the government began regulating and requiring the installation of catalytic converters. It's a clear example of a successful implementation of government regulation averting dire predictions made by the scientific community and a model for our response to global warming. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue May 1 07:40:39 2012, in response to 1975 Newsweek Article About the Coming Ice Age, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 30 14:47:48 2012. They may have been wrong about the ice age, but they sure were right about the overpopulation. People are eating each other.Oh wait. Well maybe at the OWS camps! |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Tue May 1 08:23:26 2012, in response to Re: 1975 Newsweek Article About the Coming Ice Age, posted by WillD on Tue May 1 03:22:41 2012. Pwn3d |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Tue May 1 08:24:12 2012, in response to Re: 1975 Newsweek Article About the Coming Ice Age, posted by AlM on Mon Apr 30 21:17:39 2012. Mitch45 isn't known for his logic or common sense. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue May 1 08:43:13 2012, in response to Re: 1975 Newsweek Article About the Coming Ice Age, posted by WillD on Tue May 1 03:22:41 2012. Also probably a whole bunch of factors that we don't fully understand.Like the effect of sunspot activity, the effect of volcanos, etc. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue May 1 13:53:06 2012, in response to Re: 1975 Newsweek Article About the Coming Ice Age, posted by orange blossom special on Tue May 1 07:40:39 2012. People are eating each other.Oh wait. Well maybe at the OWS camps! They're doing something, but they're not eating ;-). |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue May 1 14:00:50 2012, in response to Re: 1975 Newsweek Article About the Coming Ice Age, posted by TERRapin station on Tue May 1 08:23:26 2012. Nice way to parachute into the conversation without contributing anything to it. Typical of you. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue May 1 14:03:53 2012, in response to Re: 1975 Newsweek Article About the Coming Ice Age, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 30 15:25:46 2012. I don't think you can argue that the world today is a cleaner place than it was in 1975.You can't argue that. China and India are creating more carbon right now than we ever did. The atmosphere has reached a tipping point. We weren't there, nor did we have as much knowledge of, in the 1970s. Like I said earlier, AGW is a contributing factor accelerating a natural process IMO. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon May 7 20:31:11 2012, in response to Re: 1975 Newsweek Article About the Coming Ice Age, posted by Mitch45 on Tue May 1 14:00:50 2012. That's SOP of the Turtle. |
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