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Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 12 11:09:36 2011 NASA has awarded the Space Shuttle Enterprise (OV-099) to the Intrepid Sea-Air-Space Museum in Manhattan, officials announced today. The decision was made following a long campaign by Senators Chuck Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand to bring a Shuttle to New York City as a historical exhibit. The Enterprise was famously named for the fictional starship of the Star Trek television series and movies, and although it was a test article which never went into orbit, it is identical to all of the later Orbiters that flew into space.A delivery date has not yet been announced. |
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Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Apr 12 11:10:36 2011, in response to Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 12 11:09:36 2011. Great news. |
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Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 12 11:23:02 2011, in response to Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 12 11:09:36 2011. Cool. Was wondering what became of that one. |
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Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 12 11:25:51 2011, in response to Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 12 11:23:02 2011. IINM, Enterprise remained in the Shuttle fleet as a trainer, and test bed for development of Shuttle modules and equipment. |
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Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Apr 12 11:58:46 2011, in response to Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 12 11:25:51 2011. No, it has been on display at the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center, I believe since the opening of that facility in 2003. Discovery will be replacing Enterprise as the centerpiece of the space exhibit there, which is allowing for the latter to be moved elsewhere. |
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Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Apr 12 12:15:01 2011, in response to Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 12 11:09:36 2011. I hope Boldin announces the places with the highest muzzie populations to get them to fulfill the mission. NY...Ohio....Least FL will be in it. |
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Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 12 12:47:00 2011, in response to Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Apr 12 11:58:46 2011. heh |
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Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Apr 12 13:10:00 2011, in response to Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 12 11:09:36 2011. Are they going to leave this aircraft sit exposed on the deck and then act surprised when its virtually destroyed after 15 years? |
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Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 12 15:07:07 2011, in response to Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by WillD on Tue Apr 12 13:10:00 2011. I understand plans are to erect a hangar or other structure for it near Pier 86, as part of a new wing of the Intrepid museum. |
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Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 12 15:13:56 2011, in response to Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 12 11:09:36 2011. I think she's going to be a huge draw, although I am disappointed that she never flew in space. And given the pathetic state of the US space program, it may be a very long time before another space vessel is given that name. |
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Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 12 15:19:15 2011, in response to Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 12 15:13:56 2011. But, hopefully, not another 250 years... |
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FOR JAYZEE Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Apr 12 15:56:23 2011, in response to Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Apr 12 11:58:46 2011. In fact, Enterprise has been a part of the Smithsonian collection since 1985...(source here) |
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Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 12 16:03:57 2011, in response to Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 12 15:19:15 2011. The way things look now, it just might be. Bush was talking about going back to capsules before Obama axed the whole program. |
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Re: FOR JAYZEE Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 12 16:17:10 2011, in response to FOR JAYZEE Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Apr 12 15:56:23 2011. That's why I qualified my post by saying, "IINM". |
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Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 12 16:37:33 2011, in response to Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 12 16:03:57 2011. FALSE! (to the it taking 250 years, not to Obama axing Constellation). |
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Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Apr 12 16:41:11 2011, in response to Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 12 16:03:57 2011. Obama axed nothing. The FY2011 budget as proposed included an *increase* in allocations for NASA. What the FY2011 budget proposal removed were the needlessly wasteful Ares I and V crew and cargo launch vehicles, which we would have been lucky to have operational by the 2020s. In place of these we'd have developed the technology to do space exploration in a more sustainable manner using existing launch vehicle assets and developing a large domestic kerolox engine to allow a lower cost heavy lift vehicle to be developed, while also eliminating the Russian RD-180 engines on the Atlas V medium launch vehicle.Bush's Apollo-on-steroids approach was never going to get anyone anywhere beyond LEO. The Shuttle SRB based Ares I was wholly inadequate to the task of boosting the heavy Orion Crew Exploration Capsule into orbit. It's inadequacy resulted in a sort of reverse requirements creep in the Orion, the Altair LEM, and the Ares V cargo launcher. As the Ares I was found to be more and more inadequate as a launcher, the Orion's engineers continually had to shift things to make it lighter and less capable. Those capabilities were shifted to the Altair lander and its Ares V launcher, both of which grew to prodigious, yet extremely wasteful proportions. The Ares V, a prerequisite to doing any sort of exploration beyond LEO, was delayed over and over again until the earliest estimate of its initial operating capability was pegged sometime in the mid 2020s. Incidentally we will still get a manned space capsule. The Orion capsule has been retitled the Multipurpose Crew Vehicle, but it's essentially the same thing. With the prospect of a more capable launcher than the Ares I (either a Delta IVH, Atlas VH, Falcon 9H, or the proposed Space Launch System MLV [the heaviest of the four]), some elements are being reintroduced to make it more habitable on long duration spaceflight. At the moment NASA's management of the Space Launch System leaves a lot to be desired and I am not overly optimistic that even if the studies are completed they'll result in an effective replacement for the Shuttle. This isn't all that big a deal because of the commercial spaceflight contracts which the Bush administration nearly zeroed out we'll now be getting another three to five vehicles in addition to the NASA/LockMart Orion. SpaceX's Orion is probably the best known of the field, but there's also Orbital Science Corp's Cygnus, another Commercial Resupply vehicle to the ISS (and it will launch from Wallops Island, VA). NASA's Commercial Orbital Transportation, and Commercial Crew contracts are still up in the air, but all indications are that offerings from SpaceX (a manned Dragon), and a shuttle-like spaceplane from Orbital will be frontrunners. Also in the running will be Boeing's CST-100 capsule, Sierra Nevada's Dreamchaser spaceplane, and Blue Origin's as-yet-unrevealed spacecraft. I was a big proponent of the Jupiter launcher which the Direct team offered as a directly Shuttle derived heavy lifter as an alternative to the Ares I and V. As a result I was quite pleased to see Congress direct NASA to develop a vehicle which appeared to be a reasonable facsimile for the proposed rocket. Unfortunately since the NASA authorization was passed the space agency appears to have everything possible to bloat the rocket back up to the gargantuan, expensive proportions of the Ares V they were directed to stop building. IMHO if we're going to get anywhere then we'd do best to get NASA out of the business of building and launching rockets, and turn it over to ULA, SpaceX, and whatever other domestic builder wants to do it. ULA's Propellant Depot based lunar exploration plan really only hinges on the development of their Advanced Common Evolved Stage (or ACES) which they likely need to develop anyway. An ACES/PD based exploration system would be launcher neutral and by increasing flight rate the cost to build each individual rocket would decrease. A similar paper has been authored which focuses on SpaceX's recently reannounced Falcon 9 Heavy booster. These concepts can be undertaken without developing any new rockets, which results in an enormous savings. It is possible we could explore the moon and send astronauts to a near Earth Asteroid while remaining under even the most conservative budget assessment for NASA in the coming years. With any luck as we continued operating this nearly lunar base concept we'd rapidly fall into the sort of economics which would make reusability a viable option. |
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Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Apr 12 22:20:37 2011, in response to Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 12 11:23:02 2011. Cool. Was wondering what became of that one.Re: NASA to announce undeserving shuttle winners today Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Apr 12 22:12:57 2011 John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, Houston Has a Problem |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Apr 15 11:26:49 2011, in response to Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 12 11:09:36 2011. Lawmakers in Texas are looking to keep the Enterprise from coming to New York.Houston has got a problem |
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Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, Houston Has a Problem |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Apr 15 14:33:06 2011, in response to Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, Houston Has a Problem, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Apr 15 11:26:49 2011. Meh...as big a Star Trek fan as I am and as cool as it would be to have the Enterprise here, the stark reality is that this ship never went into space and never even had a powered flight. Its basically been sitting in museums since 1985 or so.If Houston wants it that badly, they can have it. |
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Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, Houston Has a Problem |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Apr 15 16:27:24 2011, in response to Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, Houston Has a Problem, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Apr 15 11:26:49 2011. Typical TexASS antics. We should give those dogs back to Mexico. |
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Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise) |
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Posted by grand concourse on Fri Apr 27 00:41:09 2012, in response to Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 12 11:09:36 2011. Depending on the wind, the Enterprise should be flying over the city this morning. News reports say Battery Park area should be ideal for taking pics. |
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Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise) |
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Posted by grand concourse on Fri Apr 27 00:43:28 2012, in response to Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise), posted by grand concourse on Fri Apr 27 00:41:09 2012. *obviously on the back of a 747. But at least this flyover was announced unlike the Air force 1 flyover. |
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Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 27 00:48:11 2012, in response to Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise), posted by grand concourse on Fri Apr 27 00:43:28 2012. That's kinda a requirement for folks in NYC to keep them out of the Hudson. :)BTW: Gonna be F*'in windy tomorrow ... |
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Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise) |
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Posted by grand concourse on Fri Apr 27 01:07:31 2012, in response to Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 27 00:48:11 2012. Yeah, I have doubts it will land today. I hope it's Saturday if it has to be pushed back. |
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Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 27 01:12:37 2012, in response to Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise), posted by grand concourse on Fri Apr 27 01:07:31 2012. Yep ... Saturday looks good - wind out of the west, under 10 MPH. Tomorrow, it's gusts over 30 down yonder ... |
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Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise) |
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Posted by grand concourse on Fri Apr 27 01:35:07 2012, in response to Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 27 01:12:37 2012. Damn. Oh well, thanks for the heads up. I wasn't going today unless it was 100% confirmed. With the wind as it is now, I think I'll wait for news for Saturday. |
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Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 27 02:04:07 2012, in response to Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise), posted by grand concourse on Fri Apr 27 01:35:07 2012. Find out at sunrise later - that's when the wind's supposed to kick up with peak gusts around noon according to NOAA ... if they come in early in the morning, they might be able to beat the wind ... it ain't exactly a puddle jumper coming in, real fly boys might say fook dat wind. :) |
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Update: Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 27 04:37:20 2012, in response to Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise), posted by grand concourse on Fri Apr 27 01:35:07 2012. Wind's blowing fierce up here now - better than 40MPH. It's entirely possible that the frontal passage is happening faster than expected and so the peak winds down there might occur earlier than forecasted. Maybe it's possible to get that flight in late in the afternoon, so check it out. :) |
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Re: Update: Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise) |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Apr 27 07:34:10 2012, in response to Update: Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 27 04:37:20 2012. Even mother earth doesn't think it should be going to ny |
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Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise) |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Fri Apr 27 07:50:22 2012, in response to Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise), posted by grand concourse on Fri Apr 27 01:35:07 2012. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're going to listen to Selkook??? Haven't you learned anything in ALL the years you've been here?? |
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Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 27 09:05:17 2012, in response to Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise), posted by grand concourse on Fri Apr 27 01:35:07 2012. I wasn't going today unless it was 100% confirmed. When is anything ever 100% confirmed? Anything can happen at any time. You should know that. But that said, this thing is pretty darn confirmed so it'll only be your big loss... |
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Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 27 09:36:28 2012, in response to Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise), posted by grand concourse on Fri Apr 27 01:35:07 2012. Damn. Oh well, thanks for the heads up. I wasn't going today unless it was 100% confirmed. With the wind as it is now, I think I'll wait for news for Saturday. It's about to take off. It's live on CNN on the internet. How much longer are you going to wait for news for Saturday? |
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Re: Update: Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise) |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Fri Apr 27 09:43:53 2012, in response to Update: Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 27 04:37:20 2012. Memo to DelkirkTMO: You need to update winds aloft so one grand concourse can make an informed decision. That piece of equipment is about to takeoff according to Brian. Unreal. |
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Re: Update: Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise) |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Fri Apr 27 09:48:02 2012, in response to Re: Update: Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise), posted by cortelyounext on Fri Apr 27 09:43:53 2012. Selkirk |
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Re: Update: Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 27 09:58:21 2012, in response to Re: Update: Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise), posted by cortelyounext on Fri Apr 27 09:43:53 2012. Memo to DelkirkTMO: You need to update winds aloft so one grand concourse can make an informed decision. That piece of equipment is about to takeoff according to Brian. Unreal. Truth. Thanks. Some people never learn... |
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Re: Update: Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 27 10:10:09 2012, in response to Re: Update: Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise), posted by cortelyounext on Fri Apr 27 09:43:53 2012. Selkook tries to make himself relevant in most threads. Other than in his very narrow area of expertise, his information should always be taken with at least several grains of salt. He is usually wrong - frequently deliberately. |
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Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Apr 27 10:22:00 2012, in response to Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 12 11:09:36 2011. Ah would be nice to see a space shuttle in person again.. Flying at that even(well not on its own power). |
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Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 27 10:23:46 2012, in response to Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by Railman718 on Fri Apr 27 10:22:00 2012. It certainly too bad that the shuttle program has come to an end. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Apr 27 10:26:12 2012, in response to Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 27 10:23:46 2012. Yes it has I agree. Hey I got my memories what more can one ask? BTW how did that work out yesterday Steve? |
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Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 27 10:26:51 2012, in response to Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by Railman718 on Fri Apr 27 10:26:12 2012. Certainly not as planned. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Apr 27 10:28:30 2012, in response to Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 27 10:26:51 2012. Well when you can you know the proper channels.. I'm knee deep in laundry at the moment... |
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Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 27 10:30:38 2012, in response to Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by Railman718 on Fri Apr 27 10:28:30 2012. hahahha. Check your messages. |
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Re: Update: Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise) |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Fri Apr 27 10:34:07 2012, in response to Re: Update: Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise), posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 27 10:10:09 2012. k but that dude is a meteorological savant you at least got to admit that much, Steve. |
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Enterprise Now Over NYC (was: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 27 10:37:37 2012, in response to Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 27 10:30:38 2012. Great shots of it passing over lower Manhattan on News 12. |
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Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Apr 27 10:38:04 2012, in response to Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise, posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 27 10:30:38 2012. Well somebodys gotta do it! Replied... |
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Re: Update: Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 27 10:42:24 2012, in response to Re: Update: Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise), posted by cortelyounext on Fri Apr 27 10:34:07 2012. Oh yeah, I remember how he predicted the track of the large hurricane last year. I think he chuckled about how Long Island would be washed away or something close. He's truly the Goldie Hawn of Subchat Weather forecasters |
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Re: Update: Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise) |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 27 10:45:38 2012, in response to Re: Update: Re: Enterprise to fly over NYC (Re: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise), posted by cortelyounext on Fri Apr 27 10:34:07 2012. We could do another round on the meaning of 5 day forecast. :) |
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Re: Enterprise Now Over NYC (was: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Apr 27 10:56:19 2012, in response to Enterprise Now Over NYC (was: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise), posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 27 10:37:37 2012. I'm watching it right now on Ch seven.. |
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Re: Enterprise Now Over NYC (was: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise) |
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Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Fri Apr 27 10:56:25 2012, in response to Enterprise Now Over NYC (was: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise), posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 27 10:37:37 2012. I Saw it from my house in the Bronx. What a sight, even though i only saw it for about 5 seconds. |
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Re: Enterprise Now Over NYC (was: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise) |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 27 11:29:51 2012, in response to Re: Enterprise Now Over NYC (was: Intrepid Museum Gets Shuttle Enterprise), posted by Railman718 on Fri Apr 27 10:56:19 2012. Saw it on final near JFK! :) |
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