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Posted by Rockparkman on Fri Mar 30 20:43:52 2012, in response to Affordable Housing and Social Engineering in New Jersey, posted by DAND124 on Fri Mar 30 20:37:54 2012. SDo why do you stick up for the rich so mush. Slime like you make me sick. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Fri Mar 30 20:44:14 2012, in response to Affordable Housing and Social Engineering in New Jersey, posted by DAND124 on Fri Mar 30 20:37:54 2012. SDo why do you stick up for the rich so mush. Slime like you make me sick. |
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Posted by DAND124 on Fri Mar 30 20:51:49 2012, in response to Re: Affordable Housing and Social Engineering in New Jersey, posted by Rockparkman on Fri Mar 30 20:44:14 2012. you're the one that flamed me when i opposed corporate welfare yesterday! |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Fri Mar 30 20:56:34 2012, in response to Re: Affordable Housing and Social Engineering in New Jersey, posted by DAND124 on Fri Mar 30 20:51:49 2012. Libertarianism enables free market economics which has destroyed America. End the bullshit NOW and save western civilization. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 30 21:33:07 2012, in response to Affordable Housing and Social Engineering in New Jersey, posted by DAND124 on Fri Mar 30 20:37:54 2012. similar to westchester ny experiment. |
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Posted by JohnL on Fri Mar 30 22:00:29 2012, in response to Affordable Housing and Social Engineering in New Jersey, posted by DAND124 on Fri Mar 30 20:37:54 2012. Interesting. I think the biggest factor for towns is the ratio of property tax income to # children. So another way to change incentives is to remove education from local property taxes to income tax.Then more efficient towns with better land usage will certainly evolve. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 30 23:43:45 2012, in response to Re: Affordable Housing and Social Engineering in New Jersey, posted by JohnL on Fri Mar 30 22:00:29 2012. Absolutely. I entirely advocate funding all schools from state revenue to each district in proportion to its school age population. |
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Posted by JohnL on Sat Mar 31 00:34:12 2012, in response to Re: Affordable Housing and Social Engineering in New Jersey, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 30 23:43:45 2012. There is something which appears entirely fair in a state-wide $x/pupil allocation. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Mar 31 01:33:15 2012, in response to Affordable Housing and Social Engineering in New Jersey, posted by DAND124 on Fri Mar 30 20:37:54 2012. What the hell? Are either of these people even remotely familiar with COAH, Mt Laurel I, and Mt Laurel II? The Mt Laurel Decisions were *never* about anything ANYONE would ever consider high density, nor did they dictate that the housing had to be low income! All the units are sold or rented at the market rate, with any subsidization left to the resident's eligibility for federal, state, or local aid. And even then the subsidization options at the local level were only opened up as part of the reaction to the decisions' impact during the Whitman years.The *only* thing the original decisions stated was that the local governments could not reduce the number of students in their districts by pricing out the middle and working classes through exclusionary zoning to put their property tax burden on a smaller number of wealthier residents. It was the zoning laws that were struck down by the Mt Laurel decisions that were the attempt at social engineering. The then outer Philadelphia suburbs were trying to create a firebreak against the encroaching suburban mass to the east of them and 'preserve' their upper class status. The state supreme court decided that the local governments did not have the right to deny residence on the basis of economic status when those economics were distorted by that government's own zoning policies. Of course, seeing how Mount Laurel ended up a bland euclidian zoned suburban hellhole of subdivisions, office parks, and big box stores like the rest of South Jersey east of 295 and west of 206 I guess there is some justice in the world. Now we just need a Mount Laurel III, to force towns which build enormous numbers of senior living communities on greenfield sites to have to send a proportion of their artificially inflated property tax revenue into a general education fund to be disbursed on a statewide basis. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 12:55:57 2012, in response to Affordable Housing and Social Engineering in New Jersey, posted by DAND124 on Fri Mar 30 20:37:54 2012. why did you start this thread?are you for or against affordable housing in all NJ neighborhoods? btw- I'm for it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 2 12:57:04 2012, in response to Re: Affordable Housing and Social Engineering in New Jersey, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 12:55:57 2012. I'm for housing being affordable. Dropping property taxes is a good way to achieve that. As for playing with property values, all that will achieve is squalid neighborhoods. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 2 13:17:55 2012, in response to Re: Affordable Housing and Social Engineering in New Jersey, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 2 12:57:04 2012. What exactly will that do? Dropping taxes reduces services, underfunds schools. These are the kinds of things that are desirable to homeowners.Property values,however have been exorbitantly inflated for 40ish years. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 2 14:34:48 2012, in response to Re: Affordable Housing and Social Engineering in New Jersey, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 2 12:57:04 2012. Dropping property taxes is a good way to achieve that.You mean like in........GERMANY!! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 2 14:36:44 2012, in response to Re: Affordable Housing and Social Engineering in New Jersey, posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 2 13:17:55 2012. Dropping taxes reduces services, underfunds schools.Property taxes are Communism. It's means the Government owns your property and you have to pay rent to them. Property taxes can be replaced with other taxes and sources of revenue like they do in free countries. |
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Posted by DAND124 on Mon Apr 2 14:48:51 2012, in response to Re: Affordable Housing and Social Engineering in New Jersey, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 12:55:57 2012. i'm against government actions that make housing less affordable. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 2 14:50:30 2012, in response to Re: Affordable Housing and Social Engineering in New Jersey, posted by DAND124 on Mon Apr 2 14:48:51 2012. I'm against government actions that affect housing in general. For the most part. |
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Posted by DAND124 on Mon Apr 2 14:52:51 2012, in response to Re: Affordable Housing and Social Engineering in New Jersey, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 2 14:50:30 2012. me too but actions that make housing less affordable are especially wrong. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 15:47:35 2012, in response to Re: Affordable Housing and Social Engineering in New Jersey, posted by DAND124 on Mon Apr 2 14:48:51 2012. why? |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Mon Apr 2 15:56:12 2012, in response to Re: Affordable Housing and Social Engineering in New Jersey, posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 2 14:34:48 2012. The coward son of a WHORE chickenhawk always hates on Germany for doing what he thinks America should do. IDIOT cell block BITCH. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 2 18:14:26 2012, in response to Re: Affordable Housing and Social Engineering in New Jersey, posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 2 14:36:44 2012. That's funny. I always thought it meant that you're part of a community and have to contribute to the community's upkeep. It means you send/t, or would, your kids to the community's schools and have to pay for them. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 2 18:17:39 2012, in response to Re: Affordable Housing and Social Engineering in New Jersey, posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 2 18:14:26 2012. Schools should be funded by the state and only run locally. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 2 18:17:40 2012, in response to Re: Affordable Housing and Social Engineering in New Jersey, posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 2 18:14:26 2012. Schools should be funded by the state and only run locally. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 2 21:47:12 2012, in response to Re: Affordable Housing and Social Engineering in New Jersey, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 2 18:17:40 2012. I agree. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Apr 3 17:30:27 2012, in response to Re: Affordable Housing and Social Engineering in New Jersey, posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 2 18:14:26 2012. Careful, you just flat out undermined O'bama and even Senator Franks there. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Apr 3 17:31:50 2012, in response to Re: Affordable Housing and Social Engineering in New Jersey, posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 2 14:36:44 2012. Yep, Property taxes are a sin.Demokrauts want you to pay until your 130 and then kicked out on the street. Those 'nazi republicans' think you should own your house. |
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