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Posted by dand124 on Fri Mar 23 15:40:38 2012 http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/74392.htmlGeraldo Rivera said Friday he would “bet money” that Trayvon Martin wouldn’t have been fatally shot if the teenager hadn’t been wearing a hoodie, and the Fox News host’s comments immediately drew a fierce response, with one critic branding him a “moron” on Twitter. “I am urging the parents of black and Latino youngsters particularly to not let their children go out wearing hoodies,” Rivera said on “Fox & Friends.” “I think the hoodie is as much responsible for Trayvon Martin’s death as George Zimmerman was.” Martin, an African-American teenager from Florida, was shot and killed last month by George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch captain who was armed with a handgun. The Justice Department announced earlier this week that it would launch an independent investigation into the shooting, as mobs of furious protesters are demanding that Zimmerman — who claimed he shot Martin in self-defense — be arrested. Rivera on Friday launched into a long-winded monologue about how wearing a hoodie can draw “dark-skinned” kids unwanted attention because of the negative associations attached to people that dress to look like “a gangsta.” “When you see a kid walking down the street, particularly a dark-skinned kid like my son Cruz, who I constantly yelled at when he was going out wearing a damn hoodie or those pants around his ankles,” Rivera said, as he continued on to argue that there is an “instant association” with someone that is wearing a hoodie. “It’s those crime scene surveillance tapes. Every time you see someone sticking up a 7-Eleven, the kid’s wearing a hoodie. Every time you see a mugging on a surveillance camera or they get the old lady in the alcove, it’s a kid wearing a hoodie. You have to recognize that this whole stylizing yourself as a gangsta — you’re going to be a gangsta wannabe? Well, people are going to perceive you as a menace,” he said. The Fox News host also cited Juan Williams — who was fired from NPR after saying he felt “nervous” when he sees people wearing “Muslim garb” at airports, and now works for Fox News — as an example of someone having had an “automatic reflex” to how an individual is dressed. “When you see a black or Latino youngster, particularly on the street, you walk to the other side of the street. You try to avoid that confrontation,” Rivera continued. “Trayvon Martin, God bless him, an innocent kid, a wonderful kid, a box of Skittles in his hands. He didn’t deserve to die. But I bet you money, if he didn’t have that hoodie on, that nutty neighborhood watch guy wouldn’t have responded in that violent and aggressive way.” Rivera’s comments quickly drew a sharp response Friday morning, with hundreds of Twitter users taking issue with the Fox News host’s remarks. Social media editor for Reuters Anthony De Rosa tweeted, “Moron,” while CNN contributor Roland Martin sent out a string of messages calling out Rivera. “Hey Geraldo, Black kids have gotten shot not wearing hoodies. Dude, that’s just dumb. #Trayvon,” he wrote. “So @GeraldoRivera, is a woman in 6-inch heels, a short skirt and a low-cut blouse responsible for her own rape? That’s a serious question.” On his radio show, Rivera addressed Roland Martin’s “rape” tweet. “The woman in six-inch heels a short skirt and a low-cut blouse is no threat to you, but you tell me, what would you do if you saw a young man, black man or a Latino man coming your way on the sidewalks with his face hidden? I tell you what, you’d walk across the street or you’d put your head down and not make eye contact,” he said. He also blasted the “Million Hoodie March” that took place in Manhattan earlier this week in honor of Trayvon Martin, calling it a “dumb idea.” “A march isn’t going to change the way people react to hoodies … [That’s like] thinking that a million hoodie march is going to change the image of a hoodie is like thinking that a chorus singing Koombayah is going to change the way people think about burkas.” Asked whether he would take back his earlier comments on Fox News in light of the criticism, Rivera told POLITICO in an email, “Absolutely not,” while citing his recently published column on Fox News Latino called, “Geraldo Rivera: Trayvon Martin Would Be Alive but for His Hoodie” that makes the similar arguments that the Fox News host made on the air. Meanwhile, President Barack Obama addressed Martin’s shooting for the first time Friday morning, saying at the White House, “When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids and I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this.” Calling for the country to “do some soul-searching” to figure out how the incident took place, Obama added, “If I had a son he would look like Trayvon. And you know, I think they are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the siren it deserves and we’re going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.” The authors of a 2005 self-defense gun law that has come under intense scrutiny in Florida since Martin’s death said Zimmerman shouldn’t be protected under their law. Commonly known as the Stand Your Ground law, a person who believes their life is in danger has the right to use force in self-defense, including “deadly force.” But audio of a 911 call that Zimmerman made the night he shot Martin revealed that he was purposefully pursuing the teenager before the altercation, complicating the discussion over whether Zimmerman can avoid being arrested. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 23 16:11:44 2012, in response to Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by dand124 on Fri Mar 23 15:40:38 2012. All a hoodie means is that the wearer is probably under 40. They are so ubiquitous now, any connotations are gone, or a cliche. It's just a damn sweatshirt. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 16:13:46 2012, in response to Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by dand124 on Fri Mar 23 15:40:38 2012. It's five degrees warmer in NYC today than it was in Orlando when this incident happened and people are wearing tank tops and short sleeved shirts.What's not being told widely is that Zimmerman made a bunch of 911 calls that resulted in arrests before. I feel bad for him because his intentions were good and he's someone frustrated by all the crime. Sadly he should have stayed indoors for to good of everyone. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 16:14:33 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 23 16:11:44 2012. Did you know that this incident happened in Orlando? |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 23 16:18:28 2012, in response to Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by dand124 on Fri Mar 23 15:40:38 2012. I love the way some posters on this forum "interpret" what people said down to a lying sound bite. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 23 16:23:46 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 16:13:46 2012. Last night, we ran the fans and kept the windows open. This morning it was colder in the house than we keep it during the winter.Perceived temperature is a personal thing. As to Zimmerman, he should have stopped when he was told to. He didn't. He was told to stop, had the opportunity to take that advice, thought about it and continued. That makes it premeditated. Now there's a dead kid and he belongs in jail for his murder. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 16:43:06 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 16:13:46 2012. Well hopefully his punk arse will spend time around the same type of people he was "looking out" for..A Big olde boy like that will be very "popular".. I say he's on his knees and washing underwear less than a hour if he's locked away... Unless they put him in Punk City.. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 23 16:46:08 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 16:14:33 2012. Did you know that the white suburban kids wear hoodies too?They are to the point where long hair was in 1976. Everyone grew their hair then, it became meaningless beyond the superficiality of style. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 17:02:34 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 16:43:06 2012. the issue here is why white people, especially in central Florida would be concerned about a black male with a hoodie walking around. it's simple. blacks commit more crime. for the most part, they're the ones shooting each other and committing black on white crime.99% of the time if you turn on the news and hear about a shot cop it's a minority, usually black or Latino behind it. if minorities are so trigger happy against cops(recent Tampa and NYC incidents indicate they are) and each other, of course some whites are going to be nervous seeing blacks around the neighborhood. but in this case, Trayvon does not have the thug look even if you put a Sox cap and hoodie on him. He ran into the wrong wacko. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 17:04:35 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 23 16:46:08 2012. The reason you and Selkirk(and so many others) moved out of NYC to zip codes with tiny black populations, is so that you don't have to live around black kids.Leftists stand on moral high ground, but they could never live in an area where blacks and Latinos are all over the place. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 17:05:33 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 17:02:34 2012. but in this case, Trayvon does not have the thug look even if you put a Sox cap and hoodie on him. He ran into the wrong wacko.Yes he did unfortunately hopefully the right thing will be done and this "wacko" spend lots of time with REAL THUGS.. As i said washing Underwear will work wonders for him... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 17:06:57 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 17:04:35 2012. Leftists stand on moral high ground, but they could never live in an area where blacks and Latinos are all over the place.Ouch... Still to add to that you got white folks who are "at home living around blk folk".. Seen it myself.... |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 17:07:18 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 17:05:33 2012. Do you realize how many people are killed by black males in Central Florida vs. blacks killed by non-blacks? Why so much outrage? I guess it's easy to display outrage when the roles are reversed. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 17:11:01 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 17:06:57 2012. It's so true.White leftists stand on moral high ground, but when they go home hunting, or school searching, they do what they feel is best, and that usually means trying to avoid minorities. Other whites tolerate it simply because they don't have financial means to do so. My experience is that adults get along, but when kids are involved, they are afraid of what could happen to their kids in a minority environment. So they move or send kids to Catholic school or squeeze into "the right" school zone. That's how white people are. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 17:11:23 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 17:07:18 2012. Why so much outrage? I guess it's easy to display outrage when the roles are reversed.This was talked about among a few of us today actually.. I agree... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 17:12:29 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 17:11:01 2012. You need to stop saying these things you gonna get labeled a "hater of self".. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 17:12:47 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 17:11:23 2012. This was talked about among a few of us today actually..I agree... What's sad is that people get mad when one is killed by member of opposite race or ethnicity. We're all guilty of it. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 17:16:11 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 17:12:29 2012. I hate leftists like bingbong and Selkirk and others who live in mostly white zip codes or counties and pretend to be so concerned about minorities, when in fact, they simply don't want to live near them. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 17:16:36 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 17:12:47 2012. What's sad is that people get mad when one is killed by member of opposite race or ethnicity. We're all guilty of it.I bet you if you traced this fools roots back he got some dark folk in his family... |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 17:26:29 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 17:16:36 2012. I bet you if you traced this fools roots back he got some dark folk in his family...Of course. Look at him. His name should be Jorge, not George. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 23 17:31:46 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 17:04:35 2012. I left NYC to go to college. I never liked downstate, mostly because of the white kids. I split, I stayed upstate.Right now we're living in a diverse community. We have a black family (he's a retired financial counselor, she's soon to retire from nursing). Two doors down is the head of DOCS mullahs. The guy next door reminds me of you, since he's the only one complaining about the neighborhood. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 23 17:39:48 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 17:16:11 2012. No, I'd rather not live near anybody, period. That's what life in the country is like. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 23 17:47:39 2012, in response to dand124 strikes again (Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot), posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 23 16:18:28 2012. This feller's going to need some kind of chill pill to calm him down. Either that or he'll have a breakthrough when he realizes how FOS antiwar.com is . . . |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 23 17:47:57 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 17:04:35 2012. Hahahaha! Nah ... we moved out to get away from guidos. :) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 17:52:58 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 23 17:31:46 2012. We have a black familyLOL!!!!!!! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 17:56:27 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 23 17:47:57 2012. which is fine. i support racial profiling of Italians too. if someone told me that they left Queens or Brooklyn to get away from the Italians, I would understand. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 17:56:54 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 23 17:31:46 2012. I never liked downstate, mostly because of the white kids. I split, I stayed upstateAnother hater of self.. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 17:57:41 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 23 17:47:57 2012. Totally Racist remark Kevin... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 23 17:58:56 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 17:57:41 2012. When in Rome ... swim across to Utica. :) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 18:00:53 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 23 17:58:56 2012. Im so appalled by that... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 23 18:01:54 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 17:56:27 2012. Why does that not surprise me? Joke ...
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 18:02:41 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 17:26:29 2012. Of course. Look at him. His name should be Jorge, not George.Maybe it was.... Some of em "try to be wit it" and change thier name to the English Version.. A Shame... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 23 18:03:32 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 18:00:53 2012. Nice cool Mint Tulip oughta help there. :) |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 23 18:04:28 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 17:56:54 2012. :-)Lawn Guyland is where the Florida guido migrated from. Now that you know that, can ya blame me? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 18:05:12 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 23 18:01:54 2012. nothing went over my head. i'm familiar with your humor.there are people who fled places to get away from Italians and I don't blame them. projects in NY(Knickerbocker Village) were built to keep Italians from ruining nice parts of Queens and Brooklyn. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 23 18:06:15 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 17:56:54 2012. It's what we do here. Big board, magic markers, we keep track of it all. :) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 18:06:51 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 23 18:04:28 2012. Such racism from the two of you....My clean soul has been polluted by reading such comments... Oh wait i work for the MTA... Forget it you sell yer soul once you raise yer hand... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 18:08:08 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 23 18:03:32 2012. Ill take a Lemon Lime Selzter thanks... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 23 18:09:54 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 18:06:51 2012. Heh. Worse than that, son ... you've worked the IND. Now you're marked for life. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 23 18:10:34 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 18:05:12 2012. Good God man ... you're believing that? LOL |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 18:10:50 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 23 18:09:54 2012. You may call me Sauron.... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 23 18:11:43 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 18:08:08 2012. You know that's a gateway drink, right? Soon you'll be mainlining 7Up. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 23 18:13:12 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 18:10:50 2012. Oh shit! Somebody has spent too much time waiting for a lineup at DeKalb. :) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 18:14:48 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 23 18:10:34 2012. yes. Italians initially were not good. do you even realize it was Italians who flooded America with heroin? people had good reason for not wanting to live around Italians. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 18:15:49 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 23 18:13:12 2012. X154 Homesignal haunts me in my dreams.... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 23 18:17:38 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 18:15:49 2012. I been outta there for 40 years now. I still remember rotting at that curve watching N's blow past. And more than one if that gives you an idea of how long the rot could be. :) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 18:19:44 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 23 18:17:38 2012. I seen two of them past me once..Got the Line up when i got to Pacific heres Dekalb.. "So and so out of Bedford you are eight minutes where did you lose your time"?? Me.... AT 154 HOMESIGNAL DEKALB!!!!!!! Dekalb "Ok Delta have a safe one"... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 23 18:19:55 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 18:14:48 2012. That's OK ... I'm half Irish ... WE invented public urination. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 23 18:25:09 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by Railman718 on Fri Mar 23 18:19:44 2012. Heh. That was my favorite question, having left a trail of gap sheets behind me both ways. I can only imagine the suckage now that the dynamite Dee is off the Brighton and also has to flip off Murphy as well both ways. :) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 23 18:31:30 2012, in response to Re: Fox News: People Who Wear Hoodies Should be Shot, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 23 18:19:55 2012. i thought all Irish. i won't ask the other half. |
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