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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 13 15:33:19 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 13 15:10:15 2012. Nope. |
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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 15:38:33 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 14:47:33 2012. That would require an attendant to transport the lift and set it up every time someone needed to use it.That wouldn't require an attendant to be at the pool, that would just require the person to call to say they wanted to use the pool and some worker would just have to assist them if someone called. That's quite different than someone having to be there all the time just in case someone just happens to show up. |
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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 13 15:42:35 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 13 15:33:19 2012. that's not good. I won't go if you aren't coming. Going to go to Carmine's instead.Oh well. |
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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 15:50:13 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 15:38:33 2012. That wouldn't require an attendant to be at the pool, that would just require the person to call to say they wanted to use the pool and some worker would just have to assist them if someone called. That's quite different than someone having to be there all the time just in case someone just happens to show up.If there's an incline or permanent lift at the pool, no one has to be there even if someone shows up. |
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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 16:18:31 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 15:50:13 2012. Yeah until some handicapped person gets stuck in the pool and sues the hotel. |
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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 13 16:22:18 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 16:18:31 2012. That should be no later than 12 noon, two days from today. |
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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 16:29:11 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 16:18:31 2012. Yeah until some handicapped person gets stuck in the pool and sues the hotel.Disabled or not, there's an assumption of risk if there's no lifeguard on duty. |
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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 16:42:16 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 16:29:11 2012. Yes, but with handicap people using lifts and other things that can break? This isn't just people walking up to the pool and jumping in. |
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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Mar 13 18:28:52 2012, in response to By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 12 19:10:29 2012. and this is bad how? |
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Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 13 19:10:24 2012, in response to By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 12 19:10:29 2012. As ususal, this is not the full story. The govt. has been in an ongoing dialog with the hotel industry for years on this. The actual rules going into effect next week were promulgated in 2010 after an extensive comment period. This is just another example of the right's demonization of a sensible rule.DOJ letter Among other things, portable lifts are in fact permitted. And permanent lifts only have to be installed if the are "readily achievable." It appears a cost-benefit analysis is allowed: "To determine whether it is readily achievable to provide an accessible means of entry to an existing pool, public accommodations should consider the following factors: The nature and cost of the action; Overall resources of the site or sites involved, the number of persons employed at the site, the effect on expenses and resources, legitimate safety requirements that are necessary for safe operation, including crime prevention measures, or the impact otherwise of the action upon the operation of the site; The geographic separateness and relationship of the site(s) to any parent corporation or entity; The overall resources of any parent corporation or entity, if applicable; and The type of operation or operations of any parent corporation or entity, if applicable." |
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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 13 19:15:51 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 12:25:55 2012. Of course they won't close the pools. I don't know of any who have threatened this. Pools are a big attraction. |
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Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Mar 13 19:18:29 2012, in response to Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 13 19:10:24 2012. You're not making any sense. The ADA was passed in 1990, not 2012. Why are you commenting on a 22 year old law and acting as though it's new?I'm going to ignore the one of putting giant hydraulic lifts into pools of water, increasing the costs of every little motel, and hotel by a large percentage, including maintance cost they will not want to incur. Goodbye motel pools. |
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Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 13 19:19:29 2012, in response to Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Mar 13 19:18:29 2012. Goodbye motel pools.Yes, they'll be gone. |
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Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 19:20:52 2012, in response to Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Mar 13 19:18:29 2012. Yes. While the better hotels will obvious keep them, and probably the middle range, the lower end motels will just get rid of themAnd as for spas and hot tubs, which many hotels don't have to begin with, they are also gone or will not be built or installed. Thus no one gets to enjoy them. |
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Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 13 19:29:28 2012, in response to Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Mar 13 19:18:29 2012. Excuse me??? The new pool rules were recently adopted. Did you not read the OP? |
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Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 13 19:31:23 2012, in response to Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 19:20:52 2012. Wrong. They can phase accessibility in over time depending on difficulty and expense."Title III of the ADA requires that places of public accommodation (e.g., hotels, resorts, swim clubs, and sites of events open to the public) remove physical barriers in existing pools to the extent that it is readily achievable to do so (i.e., easily accomplishable and able to be carried out without much difficulty or expense). "Determining what is readily achievable will vary from business to business and sometimes from one year to the next. Changing economic conditions can be taken into consideration in determining what is readily achievable. "For an existing pool, removing barriers may involve installation of a fixed pool lift with independent operation by the user or other accessible means of entry that complies with the 2010 Standards to the extent that it is readily achievable to do so. If installation of a fixed lift is not readily achievable, the public accommodation may then consider alternatives such as use of a portable pool lift that complies with the 2010 Standards. It is important to note that the barrier removal obligation is a continuing one, and it is expected that a business will take steps to improve accessibility over time. When selecting equipment, the public accommodation should factor in the staff and financial resources needed to keep the pool equipment available and in working condition at poolside." http://www.ada.gov/pools_2010.htm |
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Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Mar 13 19:45:05 2012, in response to Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 13 19:31:23 2012. You left out the procedure and proof of burden part.Is it a magic wand that gets you a wavier like the Obamacare Waivers? |
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Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 13 19:46:57 2012, in response to Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 13 19:29:28 2012. Consider that you're communing with righties ... just give them their tax cut and close the door. Viva la halloween. :) |
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Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Mar 13 19:47:05 2012, in response to Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 13 19:29:28 2012. Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair liftsPosted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 13 19:10:24 2012, in response to By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 12 19:10:29 2012. As ususal, this is not the full story. The govt. has been in an ongoing dialog with the hotel industry for years on this. The actual rules going into effect next week were promulgated in 2010 after an extensive comment period. The ADA was in 1990, you just said there's an ongoing dialog. But it was a law signed 22 years ago. Will Obamacare get a 22 year dialogue? |
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Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Mar 13 19:47:58 2012, in response to Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 13 19:46:57 2012. You've turned around, now you agree with the get gov't out of my pocket and sex organ wishes. |
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Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 13 19:48:51 2012, in response to Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Mar 13 19:47:05 2012. You are not paying attention.The dialog was about the new - NEW - hotel pool rules, which is what the OP was about. |
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Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 13 19:49:19 2012, in response to Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Mar 13 19:45:05 2012. zzzzzzz |
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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 13 19:54:57 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 13 19:15:51 2012. Closed due to AIDS ... :)
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Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 13 20:07:08 2012, in response to Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Mar 13 19:47:58 2012. Well ... I'm sure your sex organ can play all eight octaves and all, but still not my thing. But it is encouraging to see that the most important national issues of our time are neither the economy nor the middle east falling apart, it's religion and penises. Well played! :) |
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Re: By March 15 ADA Rule Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 13 20:24:23 2012, in response to By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 12 19:10:29 2012. What Law? |
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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 13 20:24:49 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Tue Mar 13 13:47:35 2012. Beware the Ides of March on your birthday. |
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Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Rule Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair l |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 13 20:27:26 2012, in response to Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 13 19:48:51 2012. Right wingers don't know how government works. No wonder they hate it. |
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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 13 20:29:31 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 13 20:24:49 2012. Obscure musical reference! :) |
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Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Rule Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair l |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 13 20:32:02 2012, in response to Re: Another View-By March 15 ADA Rule Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair l, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 13 20:27:26 2012. Especially when they work for it and do their best to make their claims true. :) |
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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 13 21:43:55 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 13 20:29:31 2012. Great God in heaven, that's some obcure reference :)your pal, Fred |
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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 13 21:49:13 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 13 21:43:55 2012. Yeah, but you've gotta have stumpers to fly with pigs. :) |
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