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By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 12 19:10:29 2012

Starting March 15, all hotel pools will now require hotels to have permanent lifts to get ADA guests in the pool. They can't use portable units, that's not good enough, and they have to equip every water facility on the property, and that includes, hot tubs, or if they have multiple pools.

Once again, common sense can't prevail. What's wrong if they only have one of the pools ADA reachable? And permanent lifts in hot tubs? What's wrong with the portable ones?

Another law which completely disregards common sense.

Watch as hotels just fill in their hot tubs or pools and then no one gets to enjoy them.

http://www.hotelnewsresource.com/article61788ADA_Defense_and_Compliance_Lawyer__More_Clarification_or_Confusion_on_March____ADA_Standards____By_Jim_Butler__Author_of_Www_HotelLawBlog_com.html

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 12 19:15:09 2012, in response to By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 12 19:10:29 2012.

ADA is out of control.

Although now I wonder if this might be reinterpreted to mean that Hoboken Terminal has to have high platforms, and those portable wheelchair lifts won't be enough now . . . ?

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 19:18:29 2012, in response to By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 12 19:10:29 2012.

I think that people should start to sue the federal government because national sea shores are not wheelchair accessible. Every national sea shore should have a paved strip for use by those in wheel chairs.

There is no common sense left. Great, so they have a lift. Now people without the use of their legs can get into a pool. Now they'll have to have a life guard as well. Look for hotels to comply by closing their pools instead.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 19:20:20 2012, in response to By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 12 19:10:29 2012.

Did they take the "REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION" portion of the law out?

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Mar 12 19:59:39 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 19:18:29 2012.

Technically the Feds can argue that theres access to the sea that have an ADA acceptable grade... lol...

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 21:23:05 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Mar 12 19:59:39 2012.

Try pushing a wheelchair in sand.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 12 22:45:15 2012, in response to By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 12 19:10:29 2012.

After reading the responses here, it makes me wonder if everybody here thinks that they or a loved one will never be in a wheelchair one day.

I'll laugh my ass off at all of you if this section of law gets repealed just before such an otherwise tragic event.

Laughing my fucking ass off!!

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 23:04:34 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 12 22:45:15 2012.

As a matter of fact - my brother was born with Cerebral Palsey in 1958. I have been dealing with his condition for over a 1/2 century. While at one time he was able to walk with crutches and braces, his hips have degenerated to a point where he is wheel chair bound. That likely tops any such experience that you have with the subject. I also founded and was the Scoutmaster of Troop 794 in Queens in the 1970s. The first scout troop (not affiliated with a hospital)for physically challenged children. Again, likely more experience with the physically challenged than most here.

Knowing the issues as intimately as I do, I can say that while the ADA does provide some very important protections for the disabled, it puts out some idiotic regulations where the cure is worse than the problem it attempts to solve. This will be one such example. Before hotels will provide lifts and life guards, they will close their pools because it will make more business sense to do so.

When I took an ADA compliance course, the ADA required adaptations be made to give the handicapped access if, in general, the cost was under $5,000. Now, that threshold may have been raised but the costs associated with such a modification will easily exceed that amount. Now, since do not usually choose hotels based on the availability of a pool, the hotel owners will opt to close their pools and make more profitable use of the space.



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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 12 23:10:49 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 12 22:45:15 2012.

I take it you won't be at Rizzo's tomorrow night. Your anonymity is something you want to maintain.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Mar 12 23:11:24 2012, in response to By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 12 19:10:29 2012.

Wow, this is a real thread, I thought this was gonna be a heypaul post or a story from The Onion lol.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 12 23:18:29 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 12 23:10:49 2012.

Enjoy the pizza.

The best in NY.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 23:52:16 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 23:04:34 2012.

BUMP

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 07:48:57 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 12 22:45:15 2012.

This has nothing to do with thinking ADA laws are bad. They are good, but common sense has to prevail too. The reasonable accomodation stipulation made sense. This does not. There's nothing wrong with the older portable lifts that were available, or made to be required. But to have permanent large lifts a requirement at every water location, including small hot tubs is absurd and over the top.
Hotels will just fill in their hot tubs or many the whole pool, and then no one gets to enjoy it.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 07:49:25 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 23:04:34 2012.

The voice of reason.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 07:49:58 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Mar 12 23:11:24 2012.

Nope, the sad thing it sounds like an Onion story.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 09:09:15 2012, in response to By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 12 19:10:29 2012.

Watch as hotels just fill in their hot tubs or pools and then no one gets to enjoy them.

The idea that a hotel would close a pool instead of installing a $6,000 lift is ludicrous.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 09:14:23 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 19:20:20 2012.

Did they take the "REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION" portion of the law out?

From the DoJ's letter to hotel owners:

"Title III of the ADA requires that public accommodations (e.g., owners, operators, lessors and lessees of hotels, resorts, swim clubs, and sites of events open to the public) remove physical barriers in each existing building or facility to the extent that it is readily achievable to do so (i.e., easily accomplishable and able to be carried out without much difficulty or expense)."

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 09:17:03 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 07:48:57 2012.

There's nothing wrong with the older portable lifts that were available, or made to be required. But to have permanent large lifts a requirement at every water location, including small hot tubs is absurd and over the top.

They're not required. A portable lift is allowed, but it has to be attached to the deck somehow if it's possible to do so. If it's not possible to do so, then it's allowed to be used and not attached.

Hotels will just fill in their hot tubs or many the whole pool

Doubtful.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 09:57:49 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 09:17:03 2012.

Hotels will just fill in their hot tubs or many the whole pool

Doubtful.

Probably not the pools, but the hot tubs, yes, as well as "extra" pools. A shame actually.
I don't understand the requirement for small hot tubs, and having every pool on the property. What's wrong with just at least one?

And I have read a lot on this, it seems the portable lifts won't be enough anymore, they want permanent ones, which goes beyond reason.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 09:58:31 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 09:09:15 2012.

No it's not, especially for smaller motels and hotels. As well as the hot tubs.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 10:06:58 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 09:57:49 2012.

And I have read a lot on this, it seems the portable lifts won't be enough anymore, they want permanent ones, which goes beyond reason.

You haven't read enough.

February 24 clarification letter from the Department of Justice

The 2010 Standards apply to "fixed" or built-in elements. A "fixed" element is one that is attached to a covered building or facility. Therefore, for an existing pool with less than 300 linear feet of pool wall, for example, removing barriers will involve providing one accessible means of entry, meaning a built-in or "fixed" pool lift or a sloped entry that complies with the 2010 Standards to the extent that it is readily achievable to do so (larger pools with 300 or more linear feet of pool wall are required to have two accessible means of entry, with at least one being a pool lift or sloped entry). If, in our example, an entity chooses to use a lift complying with the 2010 Standards that is removable or otherwise designated as "portable," it may do so, so long as while the lift is provided at the pool, it is affixed in some manner to the pool deck or apron.

If installation of a fixed lift or sloped entry is not readily achievable, then a public accommodation may consider alternatives such as use of a portable pool lift that is not affixed to the pool facility but incorporates features that in all other respects comply with the 2010 Standards, or the public accommodation may consider other readily achievable accessible means of entry, such as a transfer wall or pool stairs. However, the 2010 Standards' emphasis on the provision of a lift or a sloped entry recognizes the fact that many people with mobility disabilities rely more heavily on these means to independently enter and exit a pool.


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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 13 10:08:53 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 12 22:45:15 2012.

After reading the responses here, it makes me wonder if everybody here thinks that they or a loved one will never be in a wheelchair one day.

Looks like you think wrong...



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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 13 10:09:35 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 23:04:34 2012.

SMAZ=Owned

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 10:10:26 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 09:58:31 2012.

No it's not, especially for smaller motels and hotels. As well as the hot tubs.

Name one.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 10:10:48 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 13 10:08:53 2012.

He loves getting on a high horse and speak absurdly in order to make other people look silly, when in fact it is he that is wrong.
It doesn't work, no matter how much he thinks it does.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 10:15:34 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 10:10:26 2012.

??? How can I when the law didn't come into effect yet? There are plenty of small hotels/motels.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 13 10:31:21 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 10:10:48 2012.

My dad used to say..

People who get on thier "High Horse" make a lot of noise when they get knocked off it...

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 13 10:32:27 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 10:06:58 2012.

Sounds like the piece linked in the OP is out of date and probably written prior to Feb 21st.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 10:35:12 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 13 10:31:21 2012.

Smart man. When you have to try and make a point by belittling or trying to make someone else's point of view sound unwarranted or silly, you already lost the argument.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 10:36:23 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 13 10:32:27 2012.

No. It was written March 7th. It's based on an updated interpretation, it's RIPTA"s link that is out of date.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 13 10:40:20 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 10:35:12 2012.

Yes Yes he was...

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 11:21:41 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 10:15:34 2012.

??? How can I when the law didn't come into effect yet? There are plenty of small hotels/motels.

The law went into effect 18 months ago with a compliance date of March 15, 2012. I haven't heard of any hotels threatening to close their pools as a reaction to new requirements.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 11:25:39 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 10:36:23 2012.

No. It was written March 7th. It's based on an updated interpretation, it's RIPTA"s link that is out of date.

The lawyer's blog post was written March 7. The letter to the DoJ is undated, but it appears from another blog post that it was sent the week of February 27. My link is the only clarification letter from the DoJ, so no, it's not out of date.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 11:27:51 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 13 10:32:27 2012.

Sounds like the piece linked in the OP is out of date and probably written prior to Feb 21st.

No, it was written later (presumably the week of February 27). The DoJ clarification says portable lifts are permissible where fixed lifts are infeasible, and that each pool must have a lift. The letter is asking the DoJ to permit portable lifts in all cases, and to allow the hotel to have one portable lift that a guest can "sign out" and carry around with them.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 13 11:43:33 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 09:09:15 2012.

You really love big government, don't you?

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 11:48:46 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 11:21:41 2012.

They didn't have the mandatory compliance until this month.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 11:49:21 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 13 11:43:33 2012.

Yes.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by AlM on Tue Mar 13 12:12:36 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 13 11:43:33 2012.

So do you. All your proposals for government activity would cost trillions.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 13 12:18:46 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 13 12:12:36 2012.

You must be thinking of someone else. Or thinking of military activity held back by liberal definition of "just war".

BTW, as far as unfunded government mandates go, you appear to have missed this thread on how they are making SEPTA suffer.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 12:24:19 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 11:48:46 2012.

They didn't have the mandatory compliance until this month.

It's not like it was a surprise this week. The Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking was published September 30, 2004.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 12:25:55 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 13 11:43:33 2012.

You really love big government, don't you?

I don't necessarily agree with the new standards. I just think it's insane to think that hotels are going to start closing pools because of them.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by AlM on Tue Mar 13 12:54:18 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 13 12:18:46 2012.

I'm thinking of you and the trillions in military activity you have proposed. I'm not saying it would be unjust, only that it would cost trillions.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Tue Mar 13 13:47:35 2012, in response to By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 12 19:10:29 2012.

heh, a dead line on my birthday

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 13 14:13:20 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 09:14:23 2012.

The expense bar had previously been set at $5,000.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 13 14:16:26 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 12:25:55 2012.

It's hardly insane. Once the physically challenged are in the pool there will have to be attendants to assist them in and out of the lift and to insure their safety. This, obviously is not the same as a one-time investment. This is one or more positions each shift 7 days per week. Perhaps this is part of obamas jobs creation plan.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 13 14:24:05 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 13 14:16:26 2012.

Exactly. There are many hotels (most?) that don't have lifeguards, nor attendants at the pool. Having wheeelchair people go in the pool and the operation of the units will mean attendants would always need to be there.
The Democrats just love making huge government for everyone.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 14:44:53 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 13 14:13:20 2012.

The expense bar had previously been set at $5,000.

Either your course instructor was wrong or you misunderstood. The 1990 ADA allows small businesses to take a tax credit of 50 percent of the cost, up to $5,000, of certain accommodations. All businesses are allowed a tax credit of up to $15,000 to cover the full cost of removing certain architectural barriers.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 13 14:47:33 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 13 14:16:26 2012.

Once the physically challenged are in the pool there will have to be attendants to assist them in and out of the lift and to insure their safety. This, obviously is not the same as a one-time investment.

There's no requirement to have an attendant. If the hotels were opposed to having an attendant, why are they lobbying to have a single portable lift for multiple pools? That would require an attendant to transport the lift and set it up every time someone needed to use it.

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 13 15:08:42 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 13 14:16:26 2012.

Yeah; heaven forfend that "job creation" actually entails having domestic manufacturing or other horrible stuff like that . . .

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Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 13 15:10:15 2012, in response to Re: By March 15 ADA Law Now Requires All Hotel Pools and Hot Tubs to have wheelchair lifts, posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 12 23:18:29 2012.

Just double checking, are you going to be at Rizzo's or not?

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