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Obama's transgender ex-nanny living in fear in Indonesia

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 5 02:49:25 2012

Associated Press
Mar 5, 2:09 AM EST

AP Exclusive: Obama's transgender ex-nanny outcast

By NINIEK KARMINI
Associated Press
JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) — Once, long ago, Evie looked after "Barry" Obama, the kid who would grow up to become the most powerful man on earth. Now, his transgender former nanny has given up her tight, flowery dresses, her brocade vest and her bras, and is living in fear on Indonesia's streets.

Evie, who was born a man but believes she is really a woman, has endured a lifetime of taunts and beatings because of her identity. She describes how soldiers once shaved her long, black hair to the scalp and smashed out glowing cigarettes onto her hands and arms.

The turning point came when she found a transgender friend's bloated body floating in a backed-up sewage canal two decades ago. She grabbed all her girlie clothes in her arms and stuffed them into two big boxes. Half-used lipstick, powder, eye makeup — she gave them all away.

"I knew in my heart I was a woman, but I didn't want to die like that," says Evie, now 66, her lips trembling slightly as the memories flood back. "So I decided to just accept it. ... I've been living like this, a man, ever since."

Indonesia's attitude toward transgenders is complex.

Nobody knows how many of them live in the sprawling archipelagic nation of 240 million, but activists estimate 7 million. Because Indonesia is home to more Muslims than any other country in the world, the pervasiveness of men who live as women and vice versa often catches newcomers by surprise. They hold the occasional pageant, work as singers or at salons and include well-known celebrity talk show host Dorce Gamalama.

However, societal disdain still runs deep — when transgenders act in TV comedies, they are invariably the brunt of the joke. They have taken a much lower profile in recent years, following a series of attacks by Muslim hardliners. And the country's highest Islamic body has decreed that they are required to live as they were born because each gender has obligations to fulfill, such as reproduction.

"They must learn to accept their nature," says Ichwan Syam, a prominent Muslim cleric at the influential Indonesian Ulema Council. "If they are not willing to cure themselves medically and religiously", they have "to accept their fate to be ridiculed and harassed."

Many transgenders turn to prostitution because jobs are hard to find and because they want to live according to what they believe is their true gender. In doing so, they put themselves at risk of contracting AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases.

Some, like Evie, have decided it's better to hide their feelings. Others are pushing back. Last month, a 50-year-old Indonesian transvestite applying to be the next chair turned up at the national human rights commission, paparazzi cameras flashing as she stepped out from a borrowed black luxury minivan.

"I'm too ugly to be a prostitute," Yuli Retoblaut said, chuckling. "But I can be their bodyguard."

The threat of violence is very real: Indonesia's National Commission for Human Rights receives about 1,000 reports of abuses per year, ranging from murder and rape to the disruption to group activities. Worldwide, at least one person is killed every other day, according to the Trans Murder Monitoring Project, which collects homicide reports.

Evie says she chose her current name because she thought it sounded sweet. But she adds, as she pulls out her national identification card, her official name is Turdi and gender male. Several longtime residents of Obama's old Menteng neighborhood confirmed that Turdi had worked there as his nanny for two years, also caring for his baby sister Maya. When asked about the nanny, the White House had no comment.

Evie, who like many Indonesians goes by a single name, now lives in a closet-sized hovel in a tightly packed slum in an eastern corner of Jakarta, collecting and scrubbing dirty laundry to pay for food. She wears baggy blue jeans and a white T-shirt advertising a tranquil beach resort far away in a place she's never been. She speaks softly, politely, and a deep worry line is etched between her eyes.

As a child, Evie was often beaten by a father who couldn't stand having such a "sissy" for a son.

"He wanted me to act like a boy, even though I didn't feel it in my soul," she says.

Teased and bullied, she dropped out of school after the third grade and decided to learn how to cook.

As it turned out, she was pretty good at it, making her way into the kitchens of several high-ranking officials by the time she was a teenager, she recalls with a smile and a wink. And so it was, at a cocktail party in 1969, that she met Ann Dunham, Barack Obama's mother, who had arrived in the country two years earlier after marrying her second husband, Indonesian Lolo Soetoro.

Dunham was so impressed by Evie's beef steak and fried rice that she offered her a job in the family home. It didn't take long before Evie also was 8-year-old Barry's caretaker, playing with him and bringing him to and from school.

Neighbors recalled that they often saw Evie leave the house in the evening fully made up and dressed in drag. But she says it's doubtful Barry ever knew.

"He was so young," says Evie. "And I never let him see me wearing women's clothes. But he did see me trying on his mother's lipstick, sometimes. That used to really crack him up."

When the family left in the early 1970s, things started going downhill. She moved in with a boyfriend. That relationship ended three years later, and she became a sex worker.

"I tried to get a job as a maid, but no one would hire me," says Evie. "I needed money to buy food, get a place to stay."

It was a cat-and-mouse game with security guards and — because the country was still under the dictatorship of Gen. Suharto — soldiers. They often rounded up "banshees" or "warias," as they are known locally, loaded them into trucks, and brought them to a field where they were kicked, hit and otherwise abused.

The raid that changed everything came in 1985. She and her friends scattered into dark alleys to escape the swinging batons. One particularly beautiful girl, Susi, jumped into a canal strewn with garbage.

When things quieted, those who ran went back to look for her.

"We searched all night," says Evie, who is still haunted by the memory of her friend's face. "Finally ... we found her. It was horrible. Her body swollen, face bashed in."

Today Evie seeks solace in religion, going regularly to the mosque and praying five times a day. She says she's just waiting to die.

"I don't have a future anymore."

She says she didn't know the boy she helped raise won the 2008 U.S. presidential election until she saw a picture of the family in local newspapers and on TV. She blurted out that she knew him.

"I couldn't believe my eyes," she says, breaking into a huge grin.

Her friends at first laughed and thought she was crazy, but those who live in the family's old neighborhood say it's true.

"Many neighbors would remember Turdi ... she was popular here at that time," says Rudy Yara, who still lives across the street from Obama's former house. "She was a nice person and was always patient and caring in keeping young Barry."

Evie hopes her former charge will use his power to fight for people like her. Obama named Amanda Simpson, the first openly transgender appointee, as a senior technical adviser in the Commerce Department in 2010.

For Evie, who's now just trying to earn enough to survive each day on Jakarta's streets, the election victory itself was enough to give her a reason — for the first time in a long time — to feel proud.

"Now when people call me scum," she says, "I can just say: 'But I was the nanny for the President of the United States!'"

Associated Press writer Robin McDowell contributed from Jakarta.
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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny living in fear in Indonesia

Posted by SLRT on Mon Mar 5 06:13:44 2012, in response to Obama's transgender ex-nanny living in fear in Indonesia, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 5 02:49:25 2012.

I had to check the AP site to make sure that wasn't in The Onion.

I'm kind of surprised that in Indonesia harassment and abuse is ALL an openly transgender person suffers.

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny living in fear in Indonesia

Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Mar 5 08:56:58 2012, in response to Obama's transgender ex-nanny living in fear in Indonesia, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 5 02:49:25 2012.

So is he banned from traveling through europe to the US like Obama's brother is, or should she become an illegal in the US like his auntie?

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny living in fear in Indonesia

Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 5 09:04:48 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny living in fear in Indonesia, posted by orange blossom special on Mon Mar 5 08:56:58 2012.

Maybe if you marry him up here in New York he could then become a legal US citizen.

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny living in fear in Indonesia

Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Mar 5 09:08:34 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny living in fear in Indonesia, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 5 09:04:48 2012.

I don't want to legalize Obama.

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny living in fear in Indonesia

Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 5 09:20:31 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny living in fear in Indonesia, posted by orange blossom special on Mon Mar 5 09:08:34 2012.

"I don't want to legalize Obama."

Wow.....your brain has really turned into MUSH! I was refering to the ex-nanny in Indonesia...



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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny living in fear in Indonesia

Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Mar 5 19:13:20 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny living in fear in Indonesia, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 5 09:20:31 2012.

Maybe you should marry Obama. I hope you make a good wife, so you don't go into the camps Barry legalized.

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny living in fear in Indonesia

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 7 04:30:37 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny living in fear in Indonesia, posted by SLRT on Mon Mar 5 06:13:44 2012.

No; many are killed.

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Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be "someone like *Sukarno*"

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 13 15:26:56 2012, in response to Obama's transgender ex-nanny living in fear in Indonesia, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 5 02:49:25 2012.

Sukarno, of all people. An anti-US "President For Life" (autocrat) whose latter reign included stuff like "guided democracy" and "command economy" (typical communistic catchphrases); basically, another Islamic Socialist.

France 24—AFP
11 March 2012 — 07H40

Obama's transgender nanny remembers 'little Barry'

A transgender Indonesian man who shot to fame after it emerged he had worked as Barack Obama's nanny in the late 1960s wants nothing from "little Barry" but to meet him again some day.

TV crews and reporters have descended on the tiny concrete shack in an east Jakarta slum, where Turdi, 66, now makes a meager living from hand-washing his neighbors' clothes.

"I am a big nobody, merely the help, so I expect nothing from Barry. But I certainly wish to see him again. Nothing more," he told AFP at his home, which sits by a foul-smelling sewage canal.

Turdi said he has fond memories of eight-year-old Obama, his American mother Ann Dunham and Indonesian stepfather Lolo Soetoro, who treated him "like family" during the two years he worked in their home in the upmarket Jakarta suburb of Menteng.

"It's impossible he will visit me here in my rented room. And to travel to America is something that can only happen in dreams. God willing and with patience, we will meet again," Turdi said.

The White House has not made any comment on the nanny's reminiscences, but some of Obama's old neighbors, who still live on the same street 40 years on, said they knew Turdi and accepted him as transgender.

But during his time caring for the young boy who would become the United States' first black president, Turdi tried not to let on that he was transgender, never wearing women's clothes around him.

"I felt very free when I dressed like a woman, as if I had been released from prison. But I always appeared manly in front of Barry. He was too young to know about our world," said Turdi.

Although Obama was popular, his friends would make fun of the nanny, calling him "banci", a derogatory Indonesian term for transgender people.

"When I'd fetch him from school, his friends would mock me and shout 'banci, banci' But he ignored them and would just say 'Come on, let's go home'," said Turdi, who asks his close friends to call him Evie.

The students would also tease Obama over his solid build, and his hair and complexion, he said.

"His friends would call him names like 'Barry Negro' when they lost a football match, but he would just laugh. He always said 'You must be prepared to win or lose a game'."

Turdi said he was proud of Obama, the "ordinary black boy from a humble background who has become the American president".

And he said he believed the leader could help to eradicate "all discrimination in the world", including against transgender people like himself.

Turdi says he and his transgender friends have suffered repeated abuse, to the point where he decided it was safer to keep his appearance masculine.

Homosexuals and transgender people are largely shunned in Indonesia, a Muslim-majority country of 240 million people, and attacks against gay people by Islamic hardliners are common.

Fortunately, Turdi's slum community accepts transgenders, with around 50 living in the vicinity.

Despite his journey from Obama's old home to the slums, including a stint as a sex worker, Turdi seems at peace with how things have turned out.

He hopes to one day walk through Obama's old elementary school with the president, having missed him when he visited Jakarta in 2010 and 2011.

"I want to tell him that not only Americans but everyone in the world salutes him," he said.

"Once he pointed to a picture of (Indonesian) President Sukarno and said 'I hope I will grow up to become someone like him'. I am proud that his wish came true. And if the Barry I knew is the same Barry who is America's number-one man, I'm sure he will accept me for the person I am, transgender or not."
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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*''

Posted by AlM on Tue Mar 13 15:36:18 2012, in response to Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be "someone like *Sukarno*", posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 13 15:26:56 2012.

If you want to emphasize what Republicans call "youthful indiscretions" I'd put his cocaine use way higher than this comment at age 10 or less.
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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*''

Posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 13 16:23:57 2012, in response to Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be "someone like *Sukarno*", posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 13 15:26:56 2012.

The hammer doesn't fall far from the sickle.

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*''

Posted by Rockparkman on Tue Mar 13 16:47:25 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*'', posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 13 16:23:57 2012.

Fuck you. That son of a whore Olog-hai can't accept the fact that the price of a weak Russia is a strong Germany.

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*''

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 13 18:20:58 2012, in response to Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be "someone like *Sukarno*", posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 13 15:26:56 2012.

LOL! As if an eight or nine year old can understand the difference between a democratic leader and an autocrat.

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*''

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 13 18:22:54 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*'', posted by Rockparkman on Tue Mar 13 16:47:25 2012.

Defending terrorists again, Nazi coward? Nice and safe behind those intarwebs, ain't it. Gutless punk.

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*''

Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Mar 13 18:43:09 2012, in response to Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be "someone like *Sukarno*", posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 13 15:26:56 2012.

Transgender or cross dresser?

While it's amazing how far into Barry's background the american media didn't bother to do, "we don't know who he is" they said on live TV on election night, I find two things interesting:

How come everyone closest to Barry lives in a slum where Barry never shares the wealth with? Or any of his 1% cronies?

Not many people stay the same from 8 years old till 40 something I suspect. But the lack of growth in the man is really astounding. Where's evolution?

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*''

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 13 18:45:27 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*'', posted by orange blossom special on Tue Mar 13 18:43:09 2012.

Transgender or cross dresser?

Lib media conflates the terms nowadays.

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*''

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 13 18:47:12 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*'', posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 13 18:20:58 2012.

Hell ... as though some ADULTS can ... :-\

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*''

Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Mar 13 18:50:17 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*'', posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 13 18:45:27 2012.

I'm confused and thing there's a mistranslation. I know healthcare is cheap over there, but if he is poor, and combine the European language where this story is coming from...think Eddie Izzard, he calls himself a transexual, which means cross dresser afaik. Does this person have to be a full on ladyboy?

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*''

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 13 18:53:53 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*'', posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 13 18:45:27 2012.

Seems to me that it's the right that can't spot the difference. And LOL at the right now trying to put Obama in garters and pumps. :)

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*''

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 13 18:55:12 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*'', posted by orange blossom special on Tue Mar 13 18:50:17 2012.

You got me. To me, an actual "transexual" would have been able to convert the XY gene to XX, the hips would be reshaped to permit childbirth and ovaries plus uterus at least transplanted, as well as the inner vagina receiving Bartholin's glands plus a proper fibrous, muscular and mucous layer.

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*''

Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Mar 13 19:01:30 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 13 18:53:53 2012.

Sorry for being a citizen of the world and knowing the varying versions of English and other languages.

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*''

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 13 19:04:20 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*'', posted by orange blossom special on Tue Mar 13 19:01:30 2012.

It's OK ... I remember when righties had Hillary growing a dick. It's all good. :)

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*''

Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Mar 13 19:20:04 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 13 19:04:20 2012.

Now you're giving every communists fantasy.

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*''

Posted by dand124 on Tue Mar 13 19:51:18 2012, in response to Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be "someone like *Sukarno*", posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 13 15:26:56 2012.

Suharto wasn’t communist, his government was a military dictatorship and he was supported by the United States including during several human rights abuses. The economy was state capitalism similar the other US allies in the region. Are you claiming Obama wants to be right wing military dictator?

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*''

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 13 19:56:30 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*'', posted by orange blossom special on Tue Mar 13 19:20:04 2012.

Hannity's a communist? :)

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sbarro*''

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 13 20:18:33 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*'', posted by dand124 on Tue Mar 13 19:51:18 2012.

You're confusing Suharto with Sukarno.

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sbarro*''

Posted by dand124 on Tue Mar 13 20:23:05 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sbarro*'', posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 13 20:18:33 2012.

you're right i did but now that i looked it up it was Suharto who has dictator when Obama live Indonesia. most likely this nanny confused them as well and it was Suharto who Obama pointed at.

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sbarro*''

Posted by dand124 on Tue Mar 13 20:26:43 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sbarro*'', posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 13 20:18:33 2012.

and Sukarno wasn't a communist either.

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*''

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 13 20:39:41 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*'', posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 13 18:55:12 2012.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*''

Posted by SLRT on Wed Mar 14 07:42:15 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*'', posted by Rockparkman on Tue Mar 13 16:47:25 2012.

Fuck you.

Really? I doubt I'm your type and I know you're not mine.

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*''

Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 14 11:13:49 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*'', posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 13 16:23:57 2012.

Sukarno was not a communist, though he did have communist supporters.

As others have pointed out, at the time Obama was in Indonesia, Sukarno was a disgraced former president who was under arrest. It's much more likely the picture was of Suharto, who most definitely cannot be called a communist. In fact, he killed tens of thousands of them.
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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*''

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 14 13:06:24 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*'', posted by AlM on Wed Mar 14 11:13:49 2012.

Don't let facts get in the way of a good narrative.

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*''

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 13:34:51 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*'', posted by AlM on Wed Mar 14 11:13:49 2012.

Sukarno was not a communist

I didn't call him one. I called him an Islamic Socialist. Trying to put words in my mouth, or is your reading comprehension that far off?

As others have pointed out, at the time Obama was in Indonesia, Sukarno was a disgraced former president who was under arrest. It's much more likely the picture was of Suharto, who most definitely cannot be called a communist. In fact, he killed tens of thousands of them

You saying that Turdi can't tell the difference between Sukarno and Suharto? Why couldn't "Barry" have pointed at a picture of Sukarno?

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*''

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 13:35:17 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*'', posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 14 13:06:24 2012.

I see you still can't read, either.

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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*''

Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 14 13:57:06 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*'', posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 13:34:51 2012.

Trying to put words in my mouth, or is your reading comprehension that far off?

What on earth is your problem? I wasn't responding to you or referring to you.
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Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*''

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 14 14:05:26 2012, in response to Re: Obama's transgender ex-nanny: POTUS wanted to be ''someone like *Sukarno*'', posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 13:35:17 2012.

I see you still can't think, either.


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