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Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 04:35:11 2012

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Why? Heh ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/24/opinion/krugman-romneys-economic-closet.html?_r=1&hp

Long Live President Google Ron! :)

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Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :)

Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 24 08:37:00 2012, in response to Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 04:35:11 2012.

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Don't count Romney out yet. Santorum is no economic ultra-conservative either. His "I voted for No Child Left Behind even though I opposed it" shows him to be just like Romney.



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Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :)

Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Feb 24 08:39:33 2012, in response to Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 04:35:11 2012.

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You're on the verge of tea-party again!

If you believe cutting gov't spending in DC will slow growth, I'm not buying it. at least 289,000 of them refuse to pay their taxes. Won't effect us anywhere else

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Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :)

Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Feb 24 11:36:30 2012, in response to Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 04:35:11 2012.

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Isn't Krugman the clown who recently said that there are advantages to a single-party political system? Or was that Friedman, the other nitwit at the Times?

The Times columnists are as biased against the right as Fox News is against the left. Don't quote one if you don't consider the other to be authoritative.

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Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :)

Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 24 11:42:04 2012, in response to Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Feb 24 11:36:30 2012.

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That was Friedman, and you are believing Olog's selective quoting. What Friedman said was that China's one-party system was the second-worst system a country could have.



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Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 24 11:50:46 2012, in response to Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :), posted by AlM on Fri Feb 24 11:42:04 2012.

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What a surprise.

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Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 24 13:03:51 2012, in response to Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Feb 24 11:36:30 2012.

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Well yeah. This is Selkirk we are talking about.

I wonder when the left will deploy the "Mormons posthumously converted Anne Frank to Mormonism" bomb?

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Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :)

Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 24 13:12:39 2012, in response to Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 24 13:03:51 2012.

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I see you don't dispute the actual statement made by Romney. You try to discredit the story by discrediting the messengers.

Well, if the facts are true, it doesn't matter if the messenger is Stalin or Mao himself.



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Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :)

Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Feb 24 13:47:27 2012, in response to Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :), posted by AlM on Fri Feb 24 13:12:39 2012.

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"Well, if the facts are true, it doesn't matter if the messenger is Stalin or Mao himself."

That is exactly the defense that Dan Blather used during the flap about the forged documents relating to Bush's Texas Air National Guard service. Remember? Rather said that as long as the "facts" were true about Bush getting special treatment in the Texas Air National Guard, it didn't matter that the facts were recorded on documents that were not authentic.

The problem with that line of thinking is that it blurs the distinction between "fact" and "truth". A "fact" is something that no one can dispute, such as the rising of the sun in the east and setting in the west. "Truth" is a matter of interpretation and belief and depends heavily on who is doing the interpretation.

That defense didn't help Mary Mapes and it didn't help Blather, either.



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Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 24 13:51:27 2012, in response to Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :), posted by AlM on Fri Feb 24 13:12:39 2012.

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The statement itself is meaningless.

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Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 24 13:52:36 2012, in response to Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Feb 24 13:47:27 2012.

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On the left, facts are truth and truth are facts. Unless they are Republican truths, then they are lies. No wonder I left these losers in the mid 90's.

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Re: Put a fork in Krugman, he's done

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 24 13:58:24 2012, in response to Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 04:35:11 2012.

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Nobody listens to him. Even on someone as easily shredded as Rombley . . .

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Re: Put a fork in Krugman, he's done. :)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 24 13:59:09 2012, in response to Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 24 13:51:27 2012.

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The crux of this thread is not Romney's credibility, but Krugman's . . .

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Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :)

Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 24 14:21:28 2012, in response to Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Feb 24 13:47:27 2012.

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A fine post. I notice that you don't dispute the facts in this case either, however.


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Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :)

Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 24 14:21:53 2012, in response to Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 24 13:52:36 2012.

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More ranting. But you don't dispute the facts on this thread.



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Re: Put a fork in Krugman, he's done. :)

Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 24 14:23:00 2012, in response to Re: Put a fork in Krugman, he's done. :), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 24 13:59:09 2012.

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Where is your evidence that Krugman misquoted Romney?



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Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 16:16:29 2012, in response to Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :), posted by AlM on Fri Feb 24 08:37:00 2012.

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I'm enjoying the crap out of all this. :)

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Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 16:17:43 2012, in response to Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :), posted by orange blossom special on Fri Feb 24 08:39:33 2012.

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Nah ... I'm a coffee drinker myself ... or at least I was. Now I just chew the beans. :)

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Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 16:35:42 2012, in response to Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 24 13:52:36 2012.

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Re: Put a fork in Krugman, he's done. :)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 16:36:57 2012, in response to Re: Put a fork in Krugman, he's done. :), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 24 13:59:09 2012.

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Spoken like a true apologist ... it isn't even Thanksgiving ... no need to Goebbel-goebbel, bro ...

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Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 16:38:06 2012, in response to Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Feb 24 11:36:30 2012.

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Wow ... I'm impressed with the butthurt here. And not a single valid denial either. :)

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Re: Put a fork in Krugman, he's done

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 16:44:07 2012, in response to Re: Put a fork in Krugman, he's done, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 24 13:58:24 2012.

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Well clearly with all the wriggling and howling, YOU do. And hell ... his name even SOUNDS German and therefore you are ... :)

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Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :)

Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 24 17:00:30 2012, in response to Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 16:38:06 2012.

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Yep. 8 separate right-wing insults, and yet no one claims that the original statement is false. The messengers are objectionable people, therefore the message must be disreputable.


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Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :)

Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 24 17:06:32 2012, in response to Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 24 13:52:36 2012.

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You forgot the "there are no known knowns" part.

your pal,
Fred

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Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 24 17:11:49 2012, in response to Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 04:35:11 2012.

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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-presidential-primary/212225-gallup-romney-leads-obama-by-four-points



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Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 17:24:57 2012, in response to Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :), posted by AlM on Fri Feb 24 17:00:30 2012.

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Of course ... that's why I love tossing bacon over the transom to watch all those tails wag. :)

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Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 17:41:39 2012, in response to Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 24 17:11:49 2012.

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Didn't you hear? The leftists like Rasmussen now.

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Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%

Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Feb 24 17:43:28 2012, in response to Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 24 17:11:49 2012.

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Well... sorry to Burst your bubble Chris... but today isn't Election Day... so "Deal With it"

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Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%

Posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 24 17:52:39 2012, in response to Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 24 17:11:49 2012.

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Who did they ask? (Gallup tends to favor the deep south, which has a regional sway to RW)

Isn't 4 points the margin of error? That makes this essentially meaningless.

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Re: Put a fork in Unser Irland, it's done. :)

Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Feb 24 18:10:14 2012, in response to Re: Put a fork in Krugman, he's done. :), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 24 13:59:09 2012.

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The Micks drank the supply side Kool-aid. Now they're finished. Angela found the LEPERchaun and got ALL the gold. :-)

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Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 18:12:52 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%, posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 24 17:52:39 2012.

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It would be the greatest thing since sliced bread if it said the reverse though of course.

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Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 18:13:23 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%, posted by ClearAspect on Fri Feb 24 17:43:28 2012.

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How come you don't post the same thing when people like Italianstallion post Rassmuessen polls they like?

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Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%

Posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 24 18:29:03 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 18:12:52 2012.

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No, that would be meaningless as well. Once the margin's exceeded, it matters.

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Re: Put a fork in Krugmann, he's done. :)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 24 18:33:46 2012, in response to Re: Put a fork in Unser Irland, it's done. :), posted by RockParkMan on Fri Feb 24 18:10:14 2012.

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The Micks drank the supply side Kool-aid

No, that wasn't in the Treaty of Lisbon; the Soziale Marktwirtschaft is; and Ireland was stupid enough to give up its currency to the elitists' artifice. And the USA fell apart by not sticking with SSE (our lovely "free trade agreements" that have nothing to do with it) . . . funny enough, China's following supply-side principles by keeping their capital-gains taxes lower than ours . . .

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Re: Put a fork in Olog , he's done. :)

Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Feb 24 18:35:02 2012, in response to Re: Put a fork in Krugmann, he's done. :), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 24 18:33:46 2012.

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interesting post.

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Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 24 19:02:36 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 18:12:52 2012.

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The only thing you can do with polls this early in the race is to have fun with the other side. This doesn't mean Romney is an unstoppable juggernaut and could be reversed in March.

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Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 19:30:21 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 24 19:02:36 2012.

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Absolutely. I find polls amusing, and only use them to play with the other side, especially those that take them seriously.

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Re: Raasmussen: Obama 48%, Romney 41%

Posted by italianstallion on Fri Feb 24 19:36:16 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 18:13:23 2012.

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You mean like this one?

Deal with it.

"A new poll from Rasmussen shows President Obama with sizable leads in hypothetical matchups against either of the leading Republican candidates, with Obama besting Mitt Romney by 7 points and Rick Santorum by 6 points.

"That's a far stronger showing for the president than a similar poll from Gallup released Friday, which showed Romney with a 4-point lead on Obama and the president leading Santorum by a single percentage point.

"What accounts for the numbers swing discrepancy is unclear, although the Rasmussen poll had a larger sample size 1500 respondents compared to 898 for Gallup and was taken more recently."

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Re: Raasmussen: Obama 48%, Romney 41%

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Feb 24 20:03:33 2012, in response to Re: Raasmussen: Obama 48%, Romney 41%, posted by italianstallion on Fri Feb 24 19:36:16 2012.

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I believe it. I think Obama will win a second term. Shows how stupid the American people really are.

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Re: Raasmussen: Obama 48%, Romney 41%

Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Feb 24 20:15:44 2012, in response to Re: Raasmussen: Obama 48%, Romney 41%, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Feb 24 20:03:33 2012.

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Why... ?

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Re: Raasmussen: Obama 48%, Romney 41%

Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Feb 24 20:40:33 2012, in response to Re: Raasmussen: Obama 48%, Romney 41%, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Feb 24 20:03:33 2012.

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the fact that the GOP Nazis and their corrupt ideology are still even legal is what REALLY shows how stupid the American People are. If your coworkers at the Post Office had any brains, they'd hassle the shit out of you for supporting the GOP.

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Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%

Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 24 21:47:23 2012, in response to Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 24 17:11:49 2012.

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Um, you can't stand Romney. You think he's a RINO.

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Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 23:23:27 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 24 21:47:23 2012.

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A RINO is better than a D.

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Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 24 23:32:03 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 23:23:27 2012.

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Heh.



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Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :)

Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 24 23:33:29 2012, in response to Re: Put a fork in Romney, he's done. :), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Feb 24 11:36:30 2012.

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I dunno, Mitch. Aren't you the clown who posts nothing but stupid posts at OTChat?

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%

Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 25 07:40:25 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 23:23:27 2012.

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Not to the other Chris.



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Re: Raasmussen: Obama 48%, Romney 41%

Posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 25 12:18:03 2012, in response to Re: Raasmussen: Obama 48%, Romney 41%, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Feb 24 20:03:33 2012.

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Au contraire, it shows their innate intelligence.

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Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 25 13:00:43 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 24 23:23:27 2012.

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Most people will agree with you. I am just worried there are enough conservatives out there who see no real difference between Romney and Obama. He has to make his case to these people. He does, he wins.

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Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%

Posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 25 13:13:56 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 25 13:00:43 2012.

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There aren't that many conservatives out there to begin with.

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Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%

Posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 25 13:16:25 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: Romney 50%, Obama 46%, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 24 19:02:36 2012.

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If Willard Rmoney is stopped, they might as well pull the plug on the whole deal and just stay home. Women are NOT going to vote to be sent back to the 11th century.

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