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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 21 13:31:59 2012 Is this what you bought into when you voted for hope and change in 2008?A chicken leg in every other pot |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 21 13:35:17 2012, in response to Obama downsized American dream, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 21 13:31:59 2012. Why aren't you BLAMING the BANKS and their Republican cronies? eh? why not point the finger at THEM!they stole the DREAM. They signed off on defective mortgages even though they KNEW they shouldn't have. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 13:42:12 2012, in response to Re: Obama downsized American dream, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 21 13:35:17 2012. Get with the program, four year old arguments don't work anymore. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 21 13:46:00 2012, in response to Re: Obama downsized American dream, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 13:42:12 2012. It does when it was started way before Obama got there! you and your buddies refuse to ADMIT to it...that's your pitful life! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 13:54:31 2012, in response to Re: Obama downsized American dream, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 21 13:46:00 2012. FOUR years he had to further mess up a bad situation, and he did so. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Feb 21 13:59:37 2012, in response to Re: Obama downsized American dream, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 13:54:31 2012. You have no idea how much worse the economy would be if it hadn't been for the tax cuts and spending stimulus. President McCain would have done the same. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 14:07:55 2012, in response to Re: Obama downsized American dream, posted by AlM on Tue Feb 21 13:59:37 2012. Oh, you mean extending the Bush tax cuts that he reluctantly did? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Feb 21 14:11:49 2012, in response to Obama downsized American dream, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 21 13:31:59 2012. The three cornerstones of liberalismRetreat Retrench Lower expectations Should be obamas re-election slogan for 2012 |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Feb 21 14:13:54 2012, in response to Re: Obama downsized American dream, posted by AlM on Tue Feb 21 13:59:37 2012. That's speculation. I believe that a man is only as good as his word. This president promised that if he didn't fix the economy in 3 years he'd be a one term president. He's failing to keep his word. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Feb 21 14:15:25 2012, in response to Re: Obama downsized American dream, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 14:07:55 2012. If Congress and the President hadn't extended the Bush tax cuts, they would have needed to increase the size of the stimulus. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 21 14:17:14 2012, in response to Re: Obama downsized American dream, posted by Train Dude on Tue Feb 21 14:13:54 2012. As I understood his claim, it's not that he wouldn't run again, it's that he wouldn't be reëlected. So how could he be failing to keep his word before the election? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 21 14:26:19 2012, in response to Re: Obama downsized American dream, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 13:54:31 2012. "FOUR years he had to further mess up a bad situation, and he did so."LOL....OMG....you are SUCH A LOSER!...you just admitted to the MESS created by BUSH! and you don't even realize it! what a FOOL YOU TURNED OUT TO BE! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Feb 21 14:26:28 2012, in response to Re: Obama downsized American dream, posted by AlM on Tue Feb 21 14:15:25 2012. Obama was originally against the payroll tax cuts. He made it his cause because he can sell it to the less educated as a plus. Lets also remember that its not the $1000 across the board as promised. It's 2% off of your FICA contribution so if you are making $30,000 your FICA drops just $600 and not the $1,000 that this president is tossing around so happily. That's just $12 per week or less than enough to make up for the difference in what a tank of gasoline is now costing. More happy horseshit form the clown at 1600. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Feb 21 14:28:33 2012, in response to Re: Obama downsized American dream, posted by Train Dude on Tue Feb 21 14:26:28 2012. It was never sold as $1000. It is a %, so it obviously will vary. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Feb 21 14:29:24 2012, in response to Re: Obama downsized American dream, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 21 14:17:14 2012. That's your interpretation of his statement. Mine was a little more positive. Actually, YTD my 401K is up over 6% this year. It looks good on paper but one has to remember the last year of the Bush Administration and the last 3 of the obama experiment. I'm not ready to go out on Main St and bang pots together. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Feb 21 14:34:02 2012, in response to Re: Obama downsized American dream, posted by italianstallion on Tue Feb 21 14:28:33 2012. In his last speech last week, he said it meant $1000 to the average taxpayer which was a deliberately misleading statement. And by the way.... Nip, nip, nip! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 21 14:53:53 2012, in response to Obama downsized American dream, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 21 13:31:59 2012. If you were watching Obama's speech in front of a group of community college students two weeks ago, you might have noticed that Obama carefully avoids saying "American dream". Instead, he talked about the "American promise". |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Feb 21 15:25:43 2012, in response to Re: Obama downsized American dream, posted by Train Dude on Tue Feb 21 14:34:02 2012. Key is, "the average taxpayer." That is a correct statement, nipster. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Feb 21 15:27:28 2012, in response to Re: Obama downsized American dream, posted by Train Dude on Tue Feb 21 14:34:02 2012. That would be correct if the average taxpayer earned $50,000. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Feb 21 15:34:00 2012, in response to Re: Obama downsized American dream, posted by AlM on Tue Feb 21 15:27:28 2012. Per Census Bureau, "Real median household income in the United States in 2010 was $49,445, a 2.3 percent decline from the 2009 median." |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Feb 21 15:51:19 2012, in response to Re: Obama downsized American dream, posted by italianstallion on Tue Feb 21 15:34:00 2012. Median tends to be higher than average. Also, that's household income. So there's plenty of room for quibbling, but basically it sounds like it was a reasonable statement. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Feb 21 15:53:37 2012, in response to Re: Obama downsized American dream, posted by AlM on Tue Feb 21 15:51:19 2012. Yes, it was. |
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