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Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 19 20:31:09 2012

OK, I'm pulling a Chris here.

Imagine if Obama really had said that we should support the Syrian rebels, who really do get support from Al Qaeda in Iraq. What would Olog, Chris, and Train Dude be saying now?

But somebody really did say it, and Olog, Chris, and Train Dude sure are keeping quiet.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/20/world/middleeast/mccain-and-graham-suggest-helping-syrian-rebels.html





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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 19 21:40:52 2012, in response to Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 19 20:31:09 2012.

Yes, they not only said it but want to bring a proposal to the Senate floor. Let's ignore the public's disdain for another singular interventionist action (Libya succeeded as it was alliance-centered,our role being minimal), and that the UN sanction will provide the impetus to move elections along and bring an end to the violence. Last thing we need is another Iraq, we just got out (by the demand of the Iraqi government) of the stupid invasion roughly on time, luckily. The bill for that idiocy is yet to be paid....by us. It's called the deficit,headed for the debt.

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 19 21:46:26 2012, in response to Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 19 20:31:09 2012.

Keeping quiet about what—the NYT propaganda machine . . . ?

Actions speak way, way louder than words, and what happened in Libya speaks for itself.

Assad is already in with Iran, who is in with al-Qa'eda anyhow; it's a power struggle there now. Only partisans try to hype the angle up about McCain and Graham, as though those two were not liberals.

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by Dave on Sun Feb 19 22:21:05 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 19 21:40:52 2012.

(Libya succeeded as it was alliance-centered,our role being minimal)

Our role being minimal? The U.S. provided the lion's share of airpower and virtually all of the intelligence. We helped NATO with everything from munitions to surveillance aircraft. We spent well over $1 billion - that's minimal to you?

We had a dozen U.S. warships on station, the biggest contingent in this naval force. In the opening hours of the campaign, an American submarine, the USS Florida, launched 100 cruise missiles against Libyan air defenses, crucially opening an entry corridor for the airstrikes that followed.

U.S. tanker aircraft refueled European aircraft on the great majority of missions against Gaddafi’s forces. The Europeans have tanker aircraft, but not enough to support a 24/7 air offensive that averaged around 100 missions a day, some 50 of them strike sorties. The U.S. flew 30 of the 40 tankers.

When the Europeans ran low on precision-attack munitions, the U.S. quietly resupplied them. That explains why European air forces flying F-16s (Norway, Denmark, and Belgium) carried out a disproportionate share of the strikes in the early phase of the campaign. The U.S. had stocks of the munitions to resupply them. When Britain and France, which fly European-built strike aircraft, also ran short, they couldn’t use U.S.-made bombs until they had made hurried modifications to their aircraft.

To target Gaddafi’s military, NATO largely relied on U.S. JSTARS surveillance aircraft, which, flying offshore, could track the movements of rival forces. When more detailed targeting information was needed—as in the battles for Misrata and other towns defended by Gaddafi’s troops—the U.S. flew Predator drones to relay a block-by-block picture.

U.S. Air Force targeting specialists were in NATO’s Naples operational headquarters throughout the campaign. They oversaw the preparing of “target folders” for the strikes in Tripoli against Gaddafi’s compound and the headquarters of his military and intelligence services.

U.S. AWACS aircraft handled much of the battle-management task, acting as air-traffic controllers on most of the strike missions. Again, the Europeans have AWACS, but not enough crews to handle an all-hours campaign lasting months.

Eavesdropping by U.S. intelligence, some by aircraft, some by a listening post quietly established just outside Libya, gave NATO unparalleled knowledge of what Gaddafi’s military planned.

When Gaddafi began to launch Scud missiles into towns held by the opposition, a U.S. guided-missile destroyer offshore negated his offensive by shooting down the Scuds.

Geez, how much longer are you going to keep making this stuff up?

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 19 22:35:13 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by Dave on Sun Feb 19 22:21:05 2012.

. . . all for al-Qa'eda's benefit.

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Feb 19 22:35:58 2012, in response to Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 19 20:31:09 2012.

what's the dif? If you support and talk with the taleban in one area, you talk with them all

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 19 22:46:44 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Feb 19 22:35:58 2012.

I think he thought we'd jump to the defense of McCain and Graham because of what party they are in.

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 19 23:30:18 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by Dave on Sun Feb 19 22:21:05 2012.

NO GROUND TROOPS.

A lot more minimal than our role in Iraq.

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 19 23:38:07 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Feb 19 22:35:58 2012.

Just remember what the "H" stands for. Would you expect anything less from this imperious fool.

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 20 04:45:36 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by Dave on Sun Feb 19 22:21:05 2012.


We spent well over $1 billion - that's minimal to you?



US Federal Budget = 3,800 billion dollars.

$1 billion = 0.026% of US budget.

That's qualifies as minimal by any definition.

More so considering it was a non-renewable one-time thing.

It's like somebody making $50,000 a year spending $13 on some one-time thing.


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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 20 04:47:37 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 19 23:38:07 2012.

Hey, the Jacket Club and the Gardeners Lodge all talking and agreeing with each other.

This is good news.

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by Dave on Mon Feb 20 05:03:20 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 20 04:45:36 2012.

Why would you look at the expenditure as part of the federal budget? Better to look at it as part of the military budget. Regardless, we were still the major player there.

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Feb 20 05:03:49 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 19 23:38:07 2012.

"Imperious fool"..

I find that laughable..considering the most recent crop of republican ineptitude currently begging for the "nomination"..considering how the REPUBLICAN LEAD CONGRESS fucked us over constantly over the last several years..just to thumb their collective noses at the President..

im certainly not surprised at all the random[or is it?] bitchassness holding court/sway here as the dullard brain come out to play..nor does it surprise me who the true "supporters" of the farce that controlling louse present day house[BROWN-A LEGITIMATIZE DICK in his own right]..
its another "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" routine.
Fool indeed.



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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by Dave on Mon Feb 20 05:04:20 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 19 23:30:18 2012.

Umm, no NATO country inserted ground troops. So your point is....?

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by Dave on Mon Feb 20 05:05:23 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 19 23:38:07 2012.

Name the superhero:

"Imperious Rex!"

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Feb 20 05:06:52 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by Dave on Mon Feb 20 05:03:20 2012.

Minor point of order ... if the "military budget" isn't part of the "federal budget" then whose budget is it? New Jersey's?

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Feb 20 05:14:52 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by Dave on Mon Feb 20 05:05:23 2012.

name the hero..

"All your worlds belong to us.."

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 20 08:32:38 2012, in response to Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 19 20:31:09 2012.

LOL those 2 will piss backward if Obama supports arming the Syrian rebels. You watch, they'll pull a Gingrich*. That ODS runs deep...

your pal,
Fred

*Called for supporting Libyan rebels until Obama supported same, then quickly about faced and blasted Obama. This is the point where Gingrich lost hope for becoming President.

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 20 08:42:31 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by Edwards! on Mon Feb 20 05:03:49 2012.

You are certainly starting to drivel like selkook and that could never be a good thing. Translate into English so we can read your words.

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 20 08:49:06 2012, in response to Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 19 20:31:09 2012.

It's nice to know that you find my opinions of such importance to you, al, that you'd actually post your musings about them. I'm really moved by your concern.

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 20 08:53:37 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 20 08:32:38 2012.

Sort of like when Bush went into Iraq. The entire left SOGBS. That's Shit or Go Blind Syndrome. Obama is now 2 for 2 supporting our enemies in egypt and lybia (or are they his allies?). I'm certain that he'll go for the tri-fecta and have one massive force to do his bidding in Israel.

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 20 09:11:46 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 20 08:53:37 2012.

Sort of like you don't really know how to answer my post accurately :D

I'm certain Obama doesn't have anyone doing his bidding in Israel or the Middle East.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 20 09:16:31 2012, in response to Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 19 20:31:09 2012.

McCain is a genuine war hero who showed great character when he was a POW. But he has strange ideas about military alliances, very possibly colored by his terrible experiences. Conservatives don't need to answer for him.

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 20 09:24:24 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 20 09:16:31 2012.

Sounds like you don't think he knows what he's talking about yet want him to stay where he is.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 20 09:25:46 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 20 08:32:38 2012.

This is the point where Gingrich lost hope for becoming President.

He lost any hope when he said he would have judges arrested for rulings he doesn't like and would ignore their decisions.

Even America-hating conservatives were appalled because if the President had such powers today, Obama would have had five Supreme Court justices arrested (the Citizens United case for starters) plus the ones who ruled against Obamacare.

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 20 09:28:26 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 20 09:16:31 2012.

Good post.

So why did you vote for him and that woman?

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by Dave on Mon Feb 20 09:47:56 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Feb 20 05:06:52 2012.

True, but even if it were 10% of the military budget (which would have made it around $70 billion), that's still a small part of the federal budget.

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by Dave on Mon Feb 20 09:49:47 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by Edwards! on Mon Feb 20 05:14:52 2012.

I'm stumped.

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 20 09:50:48 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 20 09:24:24 2012.

He has some sound military ideas but is too easily ruled by emotion. What do you mean: "want him to stay where he is"?

your pal,
SLRT

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 20 09:51:54 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 20 09:28:26 2012.

Why did I vote for McCain and Hillary?

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 20 10:14:29 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 20 09:50:48 2012.

he has great power where he is as the Ranking Member of Senate Armed Services Committee.

He will have greater power still if the GOP captures the Senate.

John McCain is a dangerous man.

He needs to retire.

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 20 10:15:05 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 20 09:51:54 2012.

No that woman that was on the November ballot with McCain.

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 20 10:30:11 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 20 10:15:05 2012.

I voted for them because of who their opponent was.

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 20 10:33:36 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 20 10:30:11 2012.

Putting that woman a heartbeat away from an office held by a septuagenarian with a history of serious health problems is the most irresponsible thing you did in your entire life.

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 20 10:53:12 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 20 10:33:36 2012.

Possibly, second to voting for his opponent.

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Feb 20 11:36:15 2012, in response to Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 19 20:31:09 2012.

We should. The U.S. and Israel should back the rebels and take out Hezbollah.

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Feb 20 13:52:20 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by Edwards! on Mon Feb 20 05:03:49 2012.

wow you're pretty dumb in the head. The Republican Lead Congress...several years.
Is this what they believe in the ghetto?

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Feb 20 13:53:23 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 20 08:42:31 2012.

He said Reid and Pelosi is Republican.



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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 20 14:13:17 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 20 08:42:31 2012.

You are certainly starting to drivel like selkook

If "starting" means several years ago, then one would hate to see finishing . . .

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 20 14:16:12 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 20 09:16:31 2012.

They don't want to, either, especially after his admitting to being a "progressive" . . .

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 20 14:16:45 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 20 08:49:06 2012.

Never mind the seeming power of my opinions.

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 20 14:21:36 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by Edwards! on Mon Feb 20 05:03:49 2012.



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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 20 14:26:50 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by orange blossom special on Mon Feb 20 13:53:23 2012.

Pathetic but that's how it works.

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Feb 20 16:32:43 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by Dave on Mon Feb 20 09:47:56 2012.

Indeed ... just needed to be said. :)

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Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Feb 20 17:02:19 2012, in response to Re: Obama says we should throw our lot in with Al-Qaeda, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 20 14:16:45 2012.

You two are amusing. Comical and clueless at the same time. That's extraordinary talent. :)

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