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St Agnus at the United Nations Nagasaki Exibit Re: Those atheists are at it again |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:13:19 2011, in response to Re: GP38/R42 Chris is silent Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by dand124 on Sat Jul 30 18:53:51 2011. Once I found examples you came up with an excuse as to why they don’t count.you posted ONE example, both the submarine and the warship were participating in the same event, a multinational event, which every country can fly their flags on. That is NOT flying flags "above Pearl Harbor" (for the 27th time). And the Muslims who died in 9/11 should be given the same respect as Jews and Christians And they are. The t-bar is no different than any of the other exhibits there. In the United Nations, there was a permanent exhibit of the atom bomb that was dropped in Nagasaki and Hiroshima. This exhibit included dishes, personal items, and the like, and it also included a statue of St Agnus that was that had fallen over when the bomb went off, and the whole back was blackened, but the front was still intact, as it fell in the dirt. That was an exhibit there, and it did NOT promote "Christianity" at the exhibit any more than this cross does. It's part of the history.   http://www.un.org/disarmament/content/slideshow/exhibit/ THE PERMANENT DISARMAMENT COLLECTION AT THE UNITED NATIONS And since no other religious symbols are used in construction you’ve created a criteria that can only be met by cross how convenient. I gave many examples of items that may have been found. You attacked that post and said "so now you are saying they should be taken from the rubble". Well yeah, that's where the t-bar comes from, it's not like they are shipping in some irrelevant religious item from somewhere to profess anything. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:13:54 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by BMTLines on Sat Jul 30 18:59:03 2011. No, of course not. That's my point. If Germany were our enemy, we wouldn't have sided with them against Russia after the war was over.The Nazis were our enemy. They were defeated. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:14:06 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 18:53:16 2011. No, we aren't at war with them, they are an ally for 60 years, and have every right to participate in the Pacific event of other countries. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:15:24 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:14:06 2011. And because we are not at war with them, there's no problem flying their flag anywhere for any reason.And because we are not at war with Islam, there's no problem with Muslim buildings or symbols anywhere that Christian symbols would be allowed. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:17:53 2011, in response to St Agnus at the United Stations Nagasaki Exibit Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:13:05 2011. The United Nations is not part of the government of the United States or of any state. But in this case it's a monument to a sculpture that survived the bombing, not a coincidence with a nearly 100% chance of occurring. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:18:37 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:13:54 2011. This is true, but we have NOT defeated the Muslim fundamentalist threat yet, and truthfully, we aren't close yet in so doing. It's still a real threat. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:22:06 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:18:37 2011. We haven't defeated the communists either, but that doesn't stop us from being friendly with former Warsaw Pact countries. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:23:32 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by dand124 on Sat Jul 30 19:02:49 2011. Because there would be no reason at all to have a Japanese flag flying randomly over pearl harbor, or "at the US Arizona", etc. There's nothing wrong with a peaceful ally, participating in a multinational event involving military war ships, coming in with it's flag on it's vessel just like all the other countries.Do you think an American flag flying on a flagpole in Nagasaki would be appropriate? However, if the day came that an American president came to Nagasaki for one of their memorial events (which hasn't been done yet, even 70 years later), I would see no problem if Obama (or whichever president) had his flag pin on his lapel, or if the american flag was exposed on air force one as it flew into the Japanese airport with the president. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:25:01 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:22:06 2011. Heh. We're even flying planes in and out between Tampa and Cuba. :) |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:27:41 2011, in response to Re: St Agnus at the United Stations Nagasaki Exibit Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:17:53 2011. but it's "promoting christianity" by being there! Yes, the UN is not the US, however, I do NOT see this statue as "promoting Christianity" any more than this t-bar cross is. It's part of the exhibit. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:29:17 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:23:32 2011. Except we're not talking about a Muslim symbol for no reason, we're talking about either a Mosque near the World Trade Center or a Muslim symbol in conjunction with other religious symbols at the WTC. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:29:23 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:15:24 2011. No, because muslim fundamentalists are the whole reason there is a memorial to begin with. And yes, I would find it innappropriate to have Japan's flag flying at pearl harbor (with no context). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:29:46 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:25:01 2011. It's about time we ended the blockade. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:30:00 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:22:06 2011. We are also allies with Muslim countries, at least the ones not harboring. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:30:36 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:29:17 2011. there are no religious symbols at the WTC. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:32:11 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:29:46 2011. I don't remember the details, it was merely part of network junk news the other night, but I found it interesting that Tampa has become the portal to Cuba somehow. You still have to have permission to go, but you CAN now ... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:32:12 2011, in response to Re: St Agnus at the United Stations Nagasaki Exibit Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:27:41 2011. It depends on the context. If it's portrayed as an artifact, it's fine. If it's portrayed as a miracle, it's not. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:33:10 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:29:46 2011. I agree, that should have been ended decades ago, and now more than ever. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:33:43 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:30:00 2011. Especially SAUDI where 17 of the attackers came from. But hey ... he was a republican, all's forgiven.
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:33:44 2011, in response to Re: St Agnus at the United Stations Nagasaki Exibit Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:32:12 2011. I agree with that. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:33:48 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:29:23 2011. And Japanese nationalists are the whole reason there is a memorial at Pearl Harbor to begin with.Who's saying a Muslim symbol in or near the World Trade Center would be with no context? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:34:22 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:30:36 2011. The cross is a religious symbol. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:34:49 2011, in response to Re: St Agnus at the United Stations Nagasaki Exibit Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:32:12 2011. Check, and mate. The cross was publicized as a "miracle." :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:34:56 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:33:10 2011. It should have been ended in 1989 as soon as the Cold War ended. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:35:31 2011, in response to Re: St Agnus at the United Stations Nagasaki Exibit Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:34:49 2011. It remains to be seen how it will be portrayed in the museum. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:38:24 2011, in response to Re: St Agnus at the United Stations Nagasaki Exibit Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:34:49 2011. so was the statue of St Agnus in many descriptions of it.But we have not seen how this t-bar will be displayed. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:39:11 2011, in response to Re: St Agnus at the United Stations Nagasaki Exibit Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:35:31 2011. Don't try and make Selkirk's brain hurt, his brain is too busy being partisan. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:39:59 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:34:22 2011. no, it's a t-bar that looks like a cross, as it's easy to get that configuration. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:42:22 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:33:43 2011.   the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:43:54 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:39:59 2011. Ahem.http://www.google.com/search?q=wtc+cross+miracle |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:45:11 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:42:22 2011. So you have no problem with those Saudis flying those planes into your towers?So what's all the Muslim shit about then? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:46:42 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:39:59 2011. To me, every "cross" is a "T-bar that looks like a cross" because it's just a shape and nothing else. There are people who see it as holy. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:47:22 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:43:54 2011. LOL!!!!Blogs and "athiest.com". LMAO. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:48:11 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:45:11 2011. The Government of Saudi Arabia is not necessarily responsible for the actions of its citizens.If a crazed American decided to blow up the Kingdom Tower, do you believe that in retaliation Saudi Arabia should declare war on the United States? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:49:12 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:46:42 2011. Check my other link ... it's supposedly a miracle just like you said before. Makes it QUITE religious by definition. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:49:52 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:47:22 2011. Newspapers too, including statements by survivors. But sure ... be Olog. It suits you. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:50:47 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:48:11 2011. I would imagine so ... but here, I'm merely trying to accurately reflect the logic brought into play by our republican friends by going full retard just like their "arguments." |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:50:52 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:45:11 2011. No I have a real problem with it, but I posted a photo apropriate to your photoshop photo post. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:51:21 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:48:11 2011. Exactly. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:52:07 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:47:22 2011. Actually his link provided this great, balanced article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2018270/World-Trade-Center-cross-moved-permanent-home-9-11-Memorial-Museum.htmlThe head of the museum explains that the cross will be part of a historical exhibit. I am placated. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:52:17 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:49:52 2011. There you go again. I don't drink the nonsense so I am something you present me to be. Fine, be like that, but it's not me that is being the partisan or unbudging here. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:53:20 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:46:42 2011. Yes, by some. But "some" also see the Blessed Mother in Mashed potatoes too, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be served in the cafeteria there. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:53:33 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:50:52 2011. You ARE aware that the Saudis immediately flew out others associated with the attacks? Not that it's important but let's not dismiss the previous administration's culpabilities. None of this started when Obama was sworn in. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:54:01 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:49:12 2011. There are people that claim it's a miracle if any number of things happen, doesn't mean that if some claim it to be they all should be banned. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:54:43 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:52:07 2011. I learned a long time ago not to quote anything ... just offer links so people could pick their own propaganda. Much more amusing. Thanks for paying attention. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:55:09 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:53:33 2011. Like who? All I know is that some Bin Ladens may have flown back to Saudi Arabia, but that's understandable if they feared that they would be blamed for something that the black sheep of their family did. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:55:40 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:52:17 2011. You went straight for "ooooo ... it's just blogs" ... so don't be blaming me. |
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Posted by dand124 on Sat Jul 30 19:55:41 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:53:33 2011. Oh great now this is going to turn into another stupid “Bush vs. Obama” thread. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:56:17 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:53:20 2011. Nah ... form them into "freedom fries" instead. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:57:42 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:54:01 2011. Merely reinforcing that it IS a religious object in some eyes. Now go ahead and conveniently forget that I didn't take a stand on the issue other than to point out that a certain statement made was false about it not being seen as "a miracle." |
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