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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 2 13:59:05 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by Train Dude on Mon May 2 13:56:45 2011. The more we learn, the more we are realizing it's Bush policies that led to this.Obamabots politicized this the second it was announced, you can't cry now. It's on. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Mon May 2 14:01:15 2011, in response to Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by Easy on Sun May 1 22:40:49 2011. This morning I heard on the radio with a separtion of some 61 years, that both Adolph Hitler and Osama Bin Laden were both pronounced dead on May 1st.Is this true ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 2 14:01:22 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by Easy on Mon May 2 00:42:11 2011. Inhaling carbon monoxide is pretty painless, you go to sleep before you die. Slitting your wrists in a bathtub is also surprisingly painless. Ironically, overdosing on drugs usually involves a lot of pain and suffering. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 2 14:06:28 2011, in response to Hitler -Bin Laden ? Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon May 2 14:01:15 2011. Yes. The Nazis issued a report on the radio on 5/1/45, though they lied about the date (April 30th) and the method of death (suicide). |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon May 2 14:10:18 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon May 2 09:02:38 2011. She'd be about your speed. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 2 14:17:46 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by JayMan on Mon May 2 11:14:18 2011. She can't be Queen, even if by some miracle Charles is allowed to ascend to the throne, she can only be his consort. The Church of England did not sanction their marriage. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 2 14:19:18 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon May 2 13:55:20 2011. Subject him to constant reruns of American Idol !Please!! We are usually a country against torture!! :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 2 14:21:00 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 2 13:59:05 2011. Heh, yes almost everything that happened was begun with a connection to the Bush Administration. The only thing not, was the day. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 2 14:22:16 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by JayMan on Mon May 2 11:14:18 2011. She's not in line for the Queen. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon May 2 14:23:47 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!!!!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 2 00:28:50 2011. Send me the Way-Back Machine, Pancho Villa was killed in 1910!! |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon May 2 14:27:32 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!!!!!!, posted by Fred G on Mon May 2 08:09:16 2011. It may have also taken out a lot of Al Queda's funding as Osama provided the majority of their money. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon May 2 14:56:17 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 2 14:21:00 2011. Same goes for the deficit (the result of the pointless Iraq invasion and the unfunded Medicare D) and the general economic situation. Yet those facts are denied by the RWNBs daily. You can't have it both ways.The only fact known when Obama became President was the name of the courier. That's all they got out of the Gitmo interrogations, so they could have (and still can/should) closed down Gitmo and we would not be any the worse off for it. Nor would closing it have prevented yesterday's news. Nothing else was known, aside from the inference that Binladen was in Pakistan. There's gong to be a public report with the timeline on all this. Stop with the RWNB rumor, that's all it is. Fact is, bush had little to do with this,it was pretty much based on recently acquired intelligence. Best thing about this is being able to wind down military operations there and finally stop pouring tax dollars down that hole. That will help stop the growth of the deficit, since that's the primary cause of it. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon May 2 15:17:44 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by WillD on Sun May 1 23:14:00 2011. The right will find itself trying to have things both ways: That the sour economy belongs solely to Obama, but the killing of bin Laden happened simply on Obama's watch.I'd bet what changed things is that we dropped the clumsy torture techniques and instead emulated the effective Israeli interrogation techniques and won the day. I already hear the rumblings of claims in the background at OTChat...by some non-readers. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon May 2 15:19:47 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 1 23:21:59 2011. Amazing when you cut and paste the words to your original, it is clear that you still can't |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon May 2 15:37:29 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon May 2 13:46:52 2011. Oh yes, I'd forgotten that the death penalty was "unconstitutional" in NY. So correction: I'd have like to have seen him stand trial in Somerset, PA, found guilty, and given a lethal injection. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon May 2 15:38:49 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon May 2 13:55:20 2011. No, a firing squad is too military. He was a religious nutter: if we're doing cruel and unusual, he should have been burnt at the stake. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 2 15:43:27 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 2 07:10:08 2011. Welllll ... they're claiming that it was Bush's "intelligence" all along that got him. Talk about dropping the ball. :) |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon May 2 15:45:11 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 2 14:17:46 2011. Not true. Legally, she is the Princess of Wales and she would automatically become Queen Consort if Brenda predeceases Brian. There is no such thing as a morganatic marriage in the succession law of the Commonwealth nations: that was a continental peculiarity. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 2 15:50:48 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 2 07:47:06 2011. Nope ... our conservatwods sure did piss on that idea here ... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 2 16:02:04 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 2 09:37:48 2011. They found out that Osama had a courier and a first name. No address, not much else. You might want to read the facts first ... nah. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Mon May 2 16:07:29 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead, posted by jimmymc25 on Mon May 2 00:54:44 2011. But they wouldn't because this news seems strategically timed and convenient. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon May 2 16:10:45 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 2 09:37:48 2011. I can't find record of these tips from waterboarding. Can you find them?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 2 16:10:48 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead, posted by Train Dude on Mon May 2 10:49:35 2011. And Saddam took out the towers ... and we GOT him for it! :-\ |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon May 2 16:13:01 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 2 16:10:48 2011. Again, you need to deflect. If you can't stick tot he issue, why not just not respond. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon May 2 16:28:07 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 2 07:10:08 2011. Oh please, he would have ordered the same operation if the intelligence happened. Stop trying to make this political.Yeah, he would have had ordered it HAD the intelligence happened but all intelligence and military assets had been moved to deal with Iraq because Saddam tried to kill Daddy and Cheney/KBR needed more contracts. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon May 2 16:34:54 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by Train Dude on Mon May 2 13:56:45 2011. Bush's War on Terrorism: invade Afghanistan. Forget about it after three months and make the Taliban and al Qaeda take it back. Then invade the wrong country, bankrupt America, kill 4500 soldiers, maim tens of thousands of more...make bin Laden and the rest of world laugh at him and our country.Result: DISASTER Obama's War on Terrorism: Speak softly, carry a big stick as promised. Triple troops in Afghanistan, make it an AfPak theater, destroy the Taliban, destroy al Qaeda everywhere (bombing of Yemen included), don't get distracted (see limited Libya involvement), expedite Iraq withdrawal. Kill some pirates just for kicks too (not GWOT related). Result: VICTORY |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 2 16:35:43 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden buried at sea, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 2 13:35:53 2011. I'm sure they've got more than enough documentation for everyone aside from the wingnuts. Screw them. By observing religious tradition in his disposal, it provides one more denial to the enemy ... and that's important. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon May 2 16:36:04 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 2 13:59:05 2011. HAHAHAHAHA!!Is that what Hate Radio is telling you? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 2 16:37:18 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon May 2 13:41:48 2011. That was the official report ... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 2 16:38:16 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon May 2 13:46:52 2011. Just off Somalia so I hear. :) |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon May 2 16:39:18 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead, posted by WillD on Sun May 1 23:08:25 2011. The Tomahawks that were "lobbed" based on some pretty decent intelligence. OBL had been at the location a scant 20 minutes prior. Drones with the capability to follow him and then strike hadn't been refined then, we did the best we could with the technology we had. Nobody can fault President Clinton for doing what he did as he did. It was no accident, real or implied. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon May 2 16:39:57 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon May 2 13:46:52 2011. Not to mention the real risk of terrorists taking Americans hostage and demanding his release in exchange. |
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Posted by JayMan on Mon May 2 16:41:42 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by Fred G on Mon May 2 15:17:44 2011. IAWTP! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon May 2 16:42:04 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 2 07:22:24 2011. Me too.I wanted him to know that he was gonna die and I hope an American was the last person he saw and heard at the end of his miserable life. An airstrike would have been too sterile and sudden. Also his body would not have been recovered and we would never know for sure if he had died. He could have even survived it. |
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Posted by JayMan on Mon May 2 16:42:56 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by SMAZ on Mon May 2 16:34:54 2011. Well said! |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 2 16:44:23 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden buried at sea, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 2 16:35:43 2011. Additionally, burying OBL at sea denies the bad guys a fixed location to make into a shrine for their "martyr". In other news, a tape of OBL, to be "played upon [his] death", is to be released shortly. Word is that it contains instructions for OBL's followers, and was made some time ago, suggesting OBL knew the hangmen were closing in on him with the noose.Obama is being very smart in his handling of the OBL raid--and its aftermath--carefully anticipating how events will unfold. I'm fairly sure he's ready for OBL's "martyr me" tape, too. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon May 2 16:44:51 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 2 09:37:48 2011. They knew about the courier 4 years ago. They knew his name just before President Obama was inaugurated. The rest of the details only came to light 6ish months ago, and AFAIK nobody was tortured to get them, plain old undercover spy work and sat photos delivered the rest of the details. The mission was turned over to the best special ops in the world and we got a funeral to show for it. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon May 2 16:46:52 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by SMAZ on Mon May 2 16:34:54 2011. Excellent post.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 2 16:48:13 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 2 14:21:00 2011. Heh. What a trio of butthurt losers. Well if THAT'S your logic, then get on your knees and blow Bill Clinton ... it was HE who made Osama such a priority that he started shooting at him only to be nailed by the GOP for wagging the dog. And he WARNED your Bush Osama was coming and throughout Bush's tenure along with that incredible intelligence y'all got from GTMO, nothing ... Still want to sing that song? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 2 16:49:43 2011, in response to Hitler -Bin Laden ? Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon May 2 14:01:15 2011. And since Obama delivered the good news on "May Day" I think we can also put those reports of him being a commie aside too given that he's besmirched his sacred holiday. :) |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 2 16:52:45 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead, posted by bingbong on Mon May 2 16:44:51 2011. SEAL Team Six is the designated Navy counterterrorism team. They train daily for exactly this kind of operation, and reportedly even had a scale model of OBL's compound (constructed as soon as it was known this was his likely hideout) to practice on. The SEALs were joined by FBI forensic specialists for rapid identification of OBL's body. I understand OBL was given the opportunity to surrender peacefully, but he chose instead to use his wife as a human shield and start firing at our troops. OBL was killed fair and square, which is far more than that icy, evil butcher deserved. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon May 2 16:59:49 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by SMAZ on Mon May 2 16:34:54 2011. I believe that President Bush did what he honestly thought was best. I don't think he always had the best advice, Iraq seemed a bit half-thought-through, and there were times when one wonders what someone blessed with more creativity or flexibility could have done; but in the end, I can't dislike him. And as I've said before, I would far rather attend a barbecue hosted by President Bush than one hosted by Al Gore. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon May 2 17:02:50 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead, posted by SMAZ on Mon May 2 16:42:04 2011. And of course in an urban setting, dropping a thermonuclear device to ensure that you killed him would have an unacceptable level of collateral damage. ;-) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon May 2 17:04:06 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!!!!!!, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon May 2 14:27:32 2011. That was a long time ago.It's unclear what role Osama still had. al Qaeda is fragmented. This is mainly a victory for Justice, a chapter ender. As long as we didn't get al Qaeda's leader, they would still be laughing and having a moral victory. Today those assholes are stunned and demoralized even though i doubt it will affect any operations they have planned. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 2 17:07:01 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by Fred G on Mon May 2 15:17:44 2011. And once again, they're showing themselves for the idiots that they are. :( |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon May 2 17:11:08 2011, in response to Re: Post of the Decade Re: Bin Laden Confirmed Dead on May Day, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 2 07:56:25 2011. First speech: Talking the talk and then going to......Iraq.Second speech: Walking the walk soberly while remaining focused. The difference could not be more stark. The first was an ADD-addled ManBoy cheerleader with an inferiority complex. The second is a real American President and Commander in Chief. Sorry for putting politics in this, but Bush was the worst thing that ever happened to America. He is giving that speech from the smoldering ruins of his own failure. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 2 17:17:55 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead, posted by Fred G on Mon May 2 16:10:45 2011. While waterboarding was not mentioned, Pentagon last night indicated that the name of an unknown courier was obtained from several people at GTMO but the information did not provide any "actionable specifics" as to the full name or whereabouts of the courier. They added that it became a priority in 2007 and afterward to find and track this courier back to his location over a period of years. A break in discovering who this courier was occurred two years ago and he was placed under surveillance at that time.I believe Bush might not have been President two years ago though. :) |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon May 2 17:18:18 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead!!!!!!!!, posted by SMAZ on Mon May 2 17:04:06 2011. al Qaeda is fragmented.And this can only damage their organizational abilities. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon May 2 17:19:01 2011, in response to Re: Latest info: Bin Laden Dead!!!, posted by Fred G on Mon May 2 09:56:04 2011. after the joy of the last few hours, I am already getting over it.I want Ayman al-Zawahiri next. Mullah Omar would be nice too for the purpose of the Afghanistan War against the Taliban. The most dangerous thing we can do is focus on individuals rather than the larger picture. Still, yesterday was a big deal. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 2 17:19:30 2011, in response to Re: Bin Laden Dead, posted by Train Dude on Mon May 2 16:13:01 2011. Only talking about what your brain boy DID. Who's deflecting, chum? :) |
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