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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Feb 8 21:17:54 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Feb 8 21:15:58 2011. its a total madhouse ! they deliberately build a car so you cant work on it yourselftodays cars sux |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 21:19:15 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Feb 8 21:17:04 2011. Nah ... THIS was the White Castle entry:
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Feb 8 21:19:38 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Feb 8 21:15:58 2011. That's a big problem - even a minor repair now costs big $$$$$. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 21:20:54 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Feb 8 21:17:54 2011. They've had to ... ever since Bubba found the cat converter, they HAD to. :) |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Feb 8 21:21:26 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 21:20:54 2011. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 21:35:45 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Feb 8 21:21:26 2011. Well ... Bubba ain't too bright, and when he heard that he had to remove the cat converter, all hell broke loose. :)
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Feb 8 22:33:01 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 16:32:58 2011. You should SEE this boat. It's so long, he can't park it on the street--it won't fit between the driveway curb cuts! The thing is a monster. I'd hate to see what would happen if he had the misfortune to hit a modern Smart Car or Cooper Mini with this behemoth...LOL! |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Feb 8 22:49:02 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Feb 8 11:10:27 2011. Only the '65 Chrysler New Yorker was longer than the '77 TC, IIRC.'65 New Yorker wads about a foot shorter. The '77-78 New Yorker was roughly the same as the Town Car. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 23:05:11 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Feb 8 22:33:01 2011. Old school driving ... biggest boat wins. :)Yeah, I remember those land yachts ... owned a Coupe De Voupde once, ended up selling it back to the owner, it was just TOO big and kept killing the battery. Never could get used to a sofa that big - I swear it folded out to a queen sized bed ... |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Feb 9 02:18:01 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Feb 8 15:50:53 2011. The Mustang II was the lamest as they really made it a girl's car.The 70's is the only decade I remember where the cops could outrun every new production model. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Feb 9 02:19:15 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Feb 8 21:11:05 2011. They're like family after a while.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 9 03:02:46 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by Fred G on Wed Feb 9 02:18:01 2011. Heh. But the '67 models were kickass. I owned a white ragtop. :) |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Feb 9 03:06:21 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 9 03:02:46 2011. Sure were, hence my agony over the Mustang Lite.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 9 03:13:36 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by Fred G on Wed Feb 9 03:06:21 2011. Loved mine until the engine seized. :( |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Feb 9 08:23:34 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 9 03:13:36 2011. Could've been worse, I guess. My friend had a '71 Chevy Vega. It leaked engine oil from every gasket but fortunately it rusted to the ground before he had to make too many engine repairs. Now that may very well have been the worst car to come out of Detroit in the last 50 years. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Feb 9 08:49:50 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Feb 9 08:23:34 2011. I agree about the Vega and in case anyone's sitting on the fence, the Pinto was a better car than the Vega.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Feb 9 09:57:07 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Feb 9 08:23:34 2011. Vega = Very expensive Garage attachment, because, as my cousin (who owned one) used to say, "we sure as hell aren't driving anywhere in that thing!" |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Feb 9 12:59:51 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by Fred G on Wed Feb 9 08:49:50 2011. Agreed. From a mechanical standpoint, the Pinto was a pretty good car. The fuel tank problem was a design issue; Ford wanted to rush the car into production to compete with the Vega and the AMC Gremlin so the engineers had to take shortcuts with the location of the underbody elements. The problem was not that the design was dangerous, but that Ford knew of the potential for explosions and decided it was cheaper to pay liability claims than to either redesign the car or add protective materials to the gas tank area to prevent explosions in rear-impact cases.But the car itself was mechanically sound. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Feb 9 13:04:45 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Feb 9 12:59:51 2011. There's a guy around New Haven who has one and I see it once in a while. Double take for sure!your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Feb 9 13:43:16 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by Fred G on Wed Feb 9 13:04:45 2011. There's a guy near where I live who has a lime green one. Its cosmetically perfect, so I'm thinking that he had it restored. He drives it around now and then. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Feb 9 13:47:36 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Feb 9 13:43:16 2011. You know I had to look... lol your pal, Fred |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Feb 9 14:11:06 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 16:43:08 2011. I used to love the Hot Shoppe's in Philly at Broad and Stenton.You would order from a speaker on a flex cable off a post, and the girl would come out with the tray. I kind of remember the place on top of the post for the tray when you were done. Great burgers, fries and shakes. |
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Posted by MickeyG on Wed Feb 9 14:24:17 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 8 11:07:48 2011. Absolutely!The cars of the 70s get a bad wrap from all you "muscle car only" guys. Don't get me wrong, I love a good muscle car, but the cars of the 70s take a lot of heat because they were the 1st cars post muscle car era. Everything is too qualified by hp....There's much more to a car than that....(unless you are one of those types who makes up for a decent sized male appendage with hp--usually, the bigger the engine, the smaller the appendage...lol) Look at the cars of the 50s.....dripping with character, chrome,and a whopping 180-200 hp under the hood...yet most people revere them....Why, their style...and the 70s was the last decade for style to be maiunstream vs an exception. Cars of the 70s were the last to be a machine out of Detroit vs a plastic laden appliance like what is pumped out now.... Yes, there were insurance issues, fuel issues, emissions issues.....Detroit had to fall back on styling because it could not keep up with government standards changing so fast. GM actually scrapped cars waiting on the assembly line for finishing because they did not meet, yet again, changed emissions from the time the assembly started to the time the cars would have rolled off the line!! Washington was not giving any grace period for Detroit to figure out how to make it all work. So they turned to styling and luxury....A Granada from the 70s had a more luxurious interior than today's Lincolns and Cadillacs! As for muscle cars of the 60s..yes they were fast....but they didn't stop, turn, handle. They rusted as quickly as anything else Detroit might have built that people complain about..They were plain and began to defeat the purpose... If you need to delete radios, heaters, make bumpers aluminum, change the front end to fiberglass, remove rear seats, etc..all to go faster, then by a Maserati and forget it... Bumpers in the 60s on muscle cars were ornaments...heaven help you if you wrrecked in a 1st gen Camaro or Mustang.....The bumpers on those things were jokes... Give me a 76 Lincoln Town Coupe or Cadillac Coupe DeVille anyday over a 1st gen Camaro.... Get ready, the people who grew up with 70s cars are just now getting to a point where they can afford to pay for classics and the demand for them is rising as well as prices..... Did anyone ever expect a 76 Eldorado to go for $30k or a 77 Trans Am? Well, watch the auction houses...they are..... I'd give plenty to see real chrome bumpers and fender skirts again.....and whitewall tires...... |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Feb 9 14:51:47 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by MickeyG on Wed Feb 9 14:24:17 2011. My buddy had a 409 c.i. -409 h.p. 62 Chev., delete heater and radio.He only drag raced it on race tracks. I had to same car color and interior with a street 327-300. 
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 9 16:21:04 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Feb 9 14:11:06 2011. LONG long LONG time ago, they were on the Thruway ... and yep ... if you parked near the place, they'd come out or you could park further back and go in. The food was awful, but the service was yummy. :) |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Feb 9 18:57:42 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Feb 8 21:11:20 2011. remember that car very well & the engine was very reliableVery true, you couldn't kill a Slant 6 unless you went out of your way to do so. Years back someone remarked that the Slant 6 engine sounded like a Singer sewing machine. And you know, he was right ! Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Feb 9 19:02:06 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by BMTLines on Tue Feb 8 21:19:38 2011. That's a big problem - even a minor repair now costs big $$$$$.I know that first hand. My next car I'll probably lease for 2 or 3 years and trade in at the end of the lease. As long as it has a warranty, you're covered. If your car has no warranty, you get nickle and dimed to the poorhouse for every repair. If your car has no warranty, you're on your own at the mercy of car repairmen. :-( Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Feb 9 19:31:16 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Feb 8 11:20:14 2011. yes they were |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Feb 9 19:41:39 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by Fred G on Wed Feb 9 02:18:01 2011. The Mustang II was the lamest as they really made it a girl's car.The Ford Maverick was also a girl's car and even lamer. My brother owned a '66 Mustang with 4 on the floor. When he went to Korea in the Army ROTC, little did he know that his wife bought him a Ford Maverick with racing stripes and dish wheel covers. real sporty and chintzy ! When he came home, he wasn't impressed. He later divorced his first wife for other reasons ! True story.  Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Feb 9 20:52:38 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 9 16:21:04 2011. We ate inside with family type dinners, and I loved the hot fudge cake ice cream sundae. And they use to serve coffee in a "hottle". |
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Posted by MickeyG on Wed Feb 9 21:10:16 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Feb 9 14:51:47 2011. Thanks for sharing the pics! This car is prior to the official muscle car era I was critiquing as it was defined as starting in 64. This car has class.... |
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Posted by MickeyG on Wed Feb 9 21:12:05 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by Fred G on Wed Feb 9 13:47:36 2011. Well, even I, a guy who loves 70s cars, has to snear at this one....Gimme a 77 Lincoln Town Coupe, black with cherry red interior and aluminum wheels. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 9 21:12:50 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Feb 9 20:52:38 2011. Yep ... mediocre stuff indeed ... but then came Mariott which made Hot Shoppes look like haute cuisine. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 9 21:19:25 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by MickeyG on Wed Feb 9 21:12:05 2011. Dayum! A PIMP car it sounds like! :) |
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Posted by MickeyG on Wed Feb 9 21:22:29 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 9 21:19:25 2011. Yes...I'm a pimp car lover----but pimp by 70s standards.....not today's "West Coast Custom" type cars......Pimp when it was just considered extravagance--not tacky----just a touch of whitewall.....plush velour-emvroidered seats--thicker than your couch--and rode like a dream......Even though hp was down in the 70s and on, torque was still strong...Those Lincolns may have weighed 4600 lbs with 220 hp, but they had almost 400 lbs in torque... |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Feb 9 21:40:51 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 9 21:12:50 2011. LOL!! |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Feb 10 10:42:10 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by MickeyG on Wed Feb 9 14:24:17 2011. ....A Granada from the 70s had a more luxurious interior than today's Lincolns and Cadillacs!Not to mention that the Granada was designed to compete with Mercedes-Benz, and actually received more favorable reviews than MB from the car mags at the time! I've actually had my eye on a '76 Mercury Monarch for sale, but I'm hesitant after reading some reviews about abysmal fuel economy and transmissions that have a tendency to fail catastrophically at 40,000 miles. I take it by your e-mail address you have a Cougar; what year? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Feb 10 10:44:00 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Feb 9 08:23:34 2011. My friend had a '71 Chevy Vega. It leaked engine oil from every gasket but fortunately it rusted to the ground before he had to make too many engine repairs.I knew someone with a Vega, don't remember what year. It self-immolated in the driveway. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Feb 10 10:51:03 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by Fred G on Wed Feb 9 02:18:01 2011. The Mustang II was the lamest as they really made it a girl's car.The decals made it go faster 
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Feb 10 11:39:00 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by MickeyG on Wed Feb 9 21:12:05 2011. Yeah...and instead of a steering wheel, you could install a ship's wheel and call it the SS Minnow. The car was a monstrosity, even by '70s standards. GM was not much better - it produced a 500 inch V-8 (8.2 liters) for the pre-downsized Eldos, but that engine produced only 230 hp. Talk about gross overkill. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Feb 10 11:40:22 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Feb 10 10:44:00 2011. He was lucky it didn't immolate him on the highway. Even some GM products in the '80s were not immune to this - I've heard stories about 4-cylinder Pontiac Fieros of the mid-'80s bursting into flame. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Feb 10 11:42:05 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Feb 10 10:51:03 2011. Didn't one of Charlie' Angels drive one of these? I remember seeing a "Cobra" like this one parked outside Bosley's office when the Angels used to meet there.I hope it was Jaclyn Smith's. She was the best looking one by far. Still is. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 10 12:08:39 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Feb 10 10:51:03 2011. The decals made it go faster. . . into the junkyard. Nothing redeeming about the Mustang II, even if you put one of the modern high-output 412-horsepower V8s into one. (The 2011 Mustang now features a 305-horsepower V6, to compete with the 312-horsepower V6 Camaro; Ford brags that it gets 31 mpg on the highway.) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 10 12:33:03 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Feb 8 15:50:53 2011. The (Charger) nameplate reappeared on some Dodge Omni-based coupes in the '80s, all powered by various 4 cylinder engines (!) that topped out at 146 horsesThose cars were really lightweight, so they got some pretty fast quarter-mile times (in the mid-15s). The rarer Shelby Charger GLHS Turbo was yet faster, getting mid-14s.  The Z-28 disappeared for awhile, leaving the Camaro RS as the hottest Camaro. When it came back, its hottest engine was the 350-inch V-8 making about 180-200 hp. In 1982, the car was completely redesigned and had a 305 V-8 making 165 hp That's not the worst motor that a Camaro ever had. The base model had the LQ9 four-banger rated at a puny 88 horses. The second- and third-generation suffered from some bad corporate problems when it came to the 350 CID engine — Chevy doggedly refused to sell them with the stickshift. Who wants a blasted auto trans with the most powerful engine?!? (Horsepower crept up to 225 in the 1987 IROC-Z28.) The Trans Am soldiered on but by 1979 the 455 and 400 inch V8s were history. For one year, the T/A was fitted with a 403 inch V-8 made by OLDSMOBILE (!) but that was replaced by a 301-inch turbo engine that made 210 hp Oh yes, the Turbo Trans Am. Lots of non-standard parts that make restoration hard to do. Nowadays, a turbo small-block V8 would be making close to 600 horses out of the box. You ever hear of the 20th Anniversary 1989 Turbo Trans Am, which had the Buick 3.8 V6 Turbo that was in the GNX? (Some sources put the HP figure of that motor close to 300, and have the car running quarter-mile times of 13.4 seconds.) |
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Posted by MickeyG on Thu Feb 10 15:15:41 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Feb 10 10:42:10 2011. I've had many Cougars and T Birds....78,79(2), 86, 88....loved all of them...My grandmother had a 72 Montego, 351C--great car...My Uncle had a brand new 74 Cougar....that started my love of them......It still smelled new with 98k on it when he sold it... |
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Posted by MickeyG on Thu Feb 10 15:19:39 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Feb 10 10:51:03 2011. Maybe it's me-I thought it looked good--just not much performance...Keep in mind though, this was closer to the original idea of the Mustang since 66..Then Shelby and all got involved....My best friend has a 66 inline 6 and believe me, it makes the Mustang II look like a rocket. |
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Posted by MickeyG on Thu Feb 10 15:21:50 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Feb 10 11:39:00 2011. Oh-well that's the overkill I liked.....Those cars still had fantastic torque....If you don't like big cars, then you will disagree.....I loved the Lincolns of the 70s. I saw somewhere that the 77-79 Lincolns were considered the best designed and built cars of the 70s.... |
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Posted by MickeyG on Thu Feb 10 15:24:36 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 10 12:33:03 2011. I don't get it....You guys like this thing over most cars of the 70s? I've eaten from soup cans that were stronger bodied than that thing... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 10 15:50:29 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by MickeyG on Thu Feb 10 15:24:36 2011. You guys like this thing over most cars of the 70s?Which thing? |
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Posted by MickeyG on Thu Feb 10 16:01:55 2011, in response to Re: The (Not So Good) Old Days, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 10 15:50:29 2011. You need to look at the picture on the message I responded to....It looked like a mid 80s Dodge Oomni Coupe type.... |
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