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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Aug 30 01:33:45 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 30 01:22:48 2010. Who?I win! :) Payback is a bitch and now you know who she is too. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!. ;-> 
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 30 01:45:51 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by SMAZ on Mon Aug 30 01:33:45 2010. 
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 30 06:42:44 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by jimmymc25 on Mon Aug 30 00:45:56 2010. Hey, look at the darling of the left, Olbermann. Just as comfortable doing NFL Football as he is doing leftist politics. Bet if the price was right, he could make the switch to "Conservative TV". |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 30 06:49:14 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by SMAZ on Mon Aug 30 01:33:45 2010. Wow, those are some bad fake boobs. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 30 06:57:10 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 30 06:49:14 2010. If you want to see real boobs, look at the extremist liberals. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Aug 30 09:02:06 2010, in response to Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Aug 29 15:02:50 2010. Well I'm not. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Aug 30 09:34:21 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Aug 30 09:02:06 2010. yaaaaaaaawn |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon Aug 30 09:48:26 2010, in response to Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Aug 29 15:02:50 2010. He shouldn't have to be sorry - freedom of speech includes the freedom to insult politicians. I feel no mercy when politicians are insulted, regardless of how bad the insult may be |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Aug 30 09:50:47 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Aug 30 09:34:21 2010. yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Aug 30 09:58:31 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by BMTLines on Mon Aug 30 09:48:26 2010. Why stop at politicians ? under freedom of speech I should be able to hurt anyone with words, hell with Race, religion, color, creed, nationality, sexuality etc.so in other words the hell with constitution ?? your comment could not get any bumber. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Aug 30 10:09:59 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by BMTLines on Mon Aug 30 09:48:26 2010. Perhaps few human rights have ever received the legal, political and social scrutiny of the concept of freedom of speech. The first amendment to the United States' Constitution, along with similar passages in the framework documents of other countries, addresses this basic right of citizens to express themselves through written and oral speech. The difficulty with enforcing this ideal of freedom of speech, however, lies with the definition of "free speech" and the rights of governments to restrict or censor potentially dangerous forms of speech.In essence, much of the original Constitution's content can be boiled down into one sentence: "Let's not do it like England." British laws concerning the rights of citizens to express dissenting thoughts against the government were notoriously strict. The very act of producing a pamphlet or newspaper denouncing the British government was grounds for very severe punishment. When the framers of the Constitution decided to amend the original document, the idea of "freedom of speech," especially where it concerned criticism of the government, became a top priority. Freedom of speech in a legal sense, however, does not protect every single word ever uttered or written by individuals. The First Amendment primarily guarantees that the government itself would not infringe on the right of a "free press" to publish articles critical of the government. Citizens also had the right to "redress grievances," which meant they could legally assemble in public areas and deliver speeches without fear of government reprisal. The concept of freedom of speech has continued to evolve since the days of the American Revolution. It is still legal for private citizens to express controversial or unpopular speech under most circumstances, which means a group such as the Ku Klux Klan can deliver speeches or publish material which denigrates African-Americans or other targeted groups. The rules which govern freedom of speech must be applied equally, regardless of the quality or veracity of the speech itself. There are restrictions on the concept of freedom of speech, however. Certain words and images cannot be broadcast over publicly accessible airwaves, for example. The government still has the right to determine if a form of speech violates existing indecency or pornography laws. Any speech which could be considered provocative "fighting words" or a call to take immediate illegal action is not protected under freedom of speech laws. The idea of yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater falls under this concept of prohibited speech. The legal and governmental concept of freedom of speech does not necessarily apply between private citizens and publishers. The Constitution only restricts governmental interference with private expressions of free speech. A private publisher can still refuse to publish a controversial or hate-filled article, and a private owner of a web-based discussion can still remove objectionable posts unilaterally. While citizens may enjoy the benefits of freedom of speech, there is also the concept of "freedom from speech" which protects the general public from immoral or inflammatory forms of expression. from: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-freedom-of-speech.htm |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Aug 30 10:21:57 2010, in response to What is Freedom of Speech?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Aug 30 10:09:59 2010. "Perhaps few human rights have ever received the legal, political and social scrutiny of the concept of freedom of speech."Watch what you say...cause you know right off the bat..what you've stated will be revered as liberal idealogy instead of what it was meant to be originally from day one of this great nation of ours. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Aug 30 10:26:37 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by BMTLines on Mon Aug 30 09:48:26 2010. "He shouldn't have to be sorry - freedom of speech includes the freedom to insult politicians."So you agree that then that the President is a racist for commenting on how minorities have been treated in this country? are you so blind so to our track record on minorities right in this country? eh? we constantly want to proport American as a country without sin, yet our track record on prosperity for minorities has been less than stellar. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Aug 30 10:31:25 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Aug 30 09:02:06 2010. "Well I'm not. "So you're not sorry for all the Jim Crow laws in this country? eh? did you starch out your white robe and hat today? eh>? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 30 10:33:19 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by BMTLines on Mon Aug 30 09:48:26 2010. It has nothing to do with free speech! |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon Aug 30 12:24:53 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Aug 30 09:58:31 2010. AFAIAC Politicians are fair game especially the president - slander laws apply to the rest of us.I never complained when anyone said "Bush = Hitler" so I don't care what names anyone calls Obama. Cursing out and hating politicians is as American as Apple Pie! |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon Aug 30 12:26:08 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Aug 30 10:26:37 2010. I do not agree with the statement - I am just saying that insulting politicians is fair game regardless of whether it is true or not and we have no obligation to apologize |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon Aug 30 12:26:47 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 30 10:33:19 2010. Why not? We should be able to call the president any name we wish - it IS free speech! |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon Aug 30 13:26:12 2010, in response to What is Freedom of Speech?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Aug 30 10:09:59 2010. Criticizing government and government officials is fair game. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 30 14:13:48 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by BMTLines on Mon Aug 30 12:24:53 2010. I never complained when anyone said "Bush = Hitler"I remember that. The Germans started those comparisons (examples here and here; the pic below is from 2003). The mindless George Soros got brainwashed by that rhetoric and said similar things back in 2006.  |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 30 14:51:42 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by BMTLines on Mon Aug 30 12:26:47 2010. Nobody was saying that Beck couldn't say what he said. He just personally decided that he shouldn't. You apparently believe that free speech does not extend to retracting one's own statements. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 30 15:32:45 2010, in response to Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Aug 29 15:02:50 2010. The liberal MSN is bashing the Beck rally.Asshole leader of the NAACP is knocking the Beck rally. Problem for him is that no one pays attention to him. Only people on the right wait for his stupid comments. If argument against the Beck rally is that the crowd was largely white. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon Aug 30 15:50:09 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 30 14:51:42 2010. Assuming he retracted it voluntarily and was not pressured by the government to do so |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Aug 30 15:58:20 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 30 15:32:45 2010. "If argument against the Beck rally is that the crowd was largely white."Sounds rather POLARIZED to me ..... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 30 20:10:03 2010, in response to Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Aug 29 15:02:50 2010. It's amazing what seeing 250,000 people collecting in one place just to hear you speak can do to a man. Kudos to Beck for taking the high road. Nothing wrong with the comment, though. It was accurate. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 30 20:11:13 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 30 15:32:45 2010. The crowd was not "mostly white". More precisely, there were far more minorities there than the MSM and leftists are willing to admit. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 30 20:11:57 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 30 20:10:03 2010. Now it's 250K? Heh. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 30 20:15:10 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 30 20:11:13 2010. Sounds like you were there ... how much was the popcorn?
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 30 20:16:33 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 30 20:11:57 2010. If the NAACP is against the Beck rally, you know the Beck rally is a good thing.We'll never know the number, but I'm guessing it's around 150,000 or so. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 30 20:16:42 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 30 20:11:57 2010. I'm actually being conservative. Some are claiming half a million. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Aug 30 20:18:15 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 30 20:11:13 2010. Huh? Surely the crowd was predominantly white. But what's wrong with that? People use that phrase as if there's something wrong with being white and it implies racial bias when there is none (well probably some, but not the main point of the teabagger protests). |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 30 20:20:53 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 30 20:16:33 2010. If it got people off their ass and out from in front of the talking lamp and the blogs, then it's a good thing. Musta been pretty peaceful back in the trailer parks at least. Heh. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 30 20:20:59 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 30 20:11:13 2010. Well, obviously it was "mostly white", which should not mean "racist" as the MSM will spin it. But they will use the demographics of the rally to portray them in a negative light.Of course there was some minorities there. I'm sure there were no arrests. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 30 20:23:55 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 30 20:16:42 2010. Yeah, I'm sure it was upwards of the million man march. Kind of a FOX News weedstock! Wonder if it stimulated the economy for them bus companies? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 30 20:24:06 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 30 20:20:53 2010. Musta been pretty peaceful back in the trailer parks at least. Heh.That's a pretty dickheaded thing to say. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Aug 30 20:30:26 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 30 20:10:03 2010. the estimate is it was only 87 000 with Beck claiming 500 000. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 30 20:31:23 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Aug 30 20:30:26 2010. Who said 87,000? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Aug 30 20:31:42 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 30 20:16:42 2010. no only the Fuher Beck said that, official claims are 87 000 |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Aug 30 20:33:59 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 30 20:31:23 2010. http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100830/cm_yblog_upshot/glenn-beck-rally-sparks-debate-over-crowd-size |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 30 20:38:06 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Aug 30 20:33:59 2010. I figured he would draw about 25,000 people. Crowd looks bigger than 85,000. It stretches about 1 mile long. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Aug 30 20:44:10 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Aug 30 20:31:42 2010. There are no "official claims" whatever that means. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Aug 30 20:47:01 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 30 20:38:06 2010. quite a few were protesters too, at the monument. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 30 20:49:11 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 30 20:24:06 2010. Could be ... maybe I'm just tired of the dickheaded things from the other side of the fence. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 30 20:52:38 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 30 20:49:11 2010. There's no reason to mock people in trailer parks. No one is mocking the opposition to the event in DC. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Aug 30 20:57:55 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 30 20:52:38 2010. Why do trailer parks get such a bad rap anyway? I've never lived in one, but I've known people that did and they didn't seem like bad places or bad people. For what you get trailers are very economical for people with less income. Better than where I live for example. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 30 21:00:18 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by Easy on Mon Aug 30 20:57:55 2010. Some of them are really bad. Very sad looking. When I go back to Florida, I'll take photos of the one closest to my home, and you'll see.As for Selkirk, he comes from the Bronx, and most likely lived in a multi-family tenement at one time, so he should not be mocking anyone. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 30 21:03:29 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sun Aug 29 19:39:27 2010.  |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Aug 30 21:06:31 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 30 21:00:18 2010. We have lots of trailer parks in the LA area. Way more than many people in the NYC area might think. There are even trailer parks in Compton and South LA. Not to sound flippant, but the ones here in Carson are overwhelmingly white which is in juxtaposition to the racial makeup of the city on whole. Not sure why that is. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 30 21:09:14 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Aug 30 20:31:42 2010. What is a "Fuher"? I know you can't mean "Führer" as calling Beck a Fuhrer is a thousand times worse (and asinine) than calling Obama a racist. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 30 21:11:06 2010, in response to Re: Glenn Beck sorry for Obama comment, posted by Easy on Mon Aug 30 21:06:31 2010. In Florida, they are a mix. Mostly white, but Mexicans are moving in. I would live in a trailer park if I could have one with central A/C.I'll guess that trailer parks don't qualify for public housing funds, thus influencing the racial makeup. |
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