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The War In Iraq Is Officially Over!

Posted by Union Turnpike on Wed Aug 18 20:15:03 2010

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After seven years, the War In Iraq is officially over:

Story From MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.msn,com/id3032619/vp/38730266/ns/nightly_news#38720513

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Re: We've fled the War In Iraq

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 18 20:17:06 2010, in response to The War In Iraq Is Officially Over!, posted by Union Turnpike on Wed Aug 18 20:15:03 2010.

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Say hello to the newest provinces of Iran, as well as a new radical Islamic state.

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Re: We've fled the War In Iraq

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 18 20:17:54 2010, in response to Re: We've fled the War In Iraq, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 18 20:17:06 2010.

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Ah well ... at least Bush got rid of Saddam, something that once kept Iran somewhat in check.

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Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over!

Posted by R143 on Wed Aug 18 20:28:52 2010, in response to The War In Iraq Is Officially Over!, posted by Union Turnpike on Wed Aug 18 20:15:03 2010.

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It was won before Obama took office but Mr Obama is trying to take credit for it . Amazing machine these Demoncrats . They love to blame everythign wrong on the Republicans , but when something went right they try and take credit , even thogh they had nothing to do with it .

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Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over!

Posted by BMTLines on Wed Aug 18 20:35:16 2010, in response to The War In Iraq Is Officially Over!, posted by Union Turnpike on Wed Aug 18 20:15:03 2010.

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Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over!

Posted by Union Turnpike on Wed Aug 18 21:01:12 2010, in response to The War In Iraq Is Officially Over!, posted by Union Turnpike on Wed Aug 18 20:15:03 2010.

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My bad about "server not found"! I typed a comma instead of a period between msn and com (should be msn.com and not msn,com). Typing too fast or bad eyesight.

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Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over!

Posted by italianstallion on Wed Aug 18 23:28:29 2010, in response to The War In Iraq Is Officially Over!, posted by Union Turnpike on Wed Aug 18 20:15:03 2010.

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Thank you, President Obama.

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Re: We've fled the War In Iraq

Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Aug 18 23:29:08 2010, in response to Re: We've fled the War In Iraq, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 18 20:17:06 2010.

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Oh shut up every once in a while.

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Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over!

Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Aug 18 23:29:56 2010, in response to Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over!, posted by R143 on Wed Aug 18 20:28:52 2010.

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There shouldn't have been an Iraq war in the first place.

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Re: We've fled the War In Iraq

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 18 23:34:54 2010, in response to Re: We've fled the War In Iraq, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Aug 18 23:29:08 2010.

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Can't shut up the truth. Not even the USSR succeeded in that.

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Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 18 23:36:08 2010, in response to Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over!, posted by italianstallion on Wed Aug 18 23:28:29 2010.

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Is that you, President Imadinnerjacket?



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Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over

Posted by SMAZ on Wed Aug 18 23:43:52 2010, in response to Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 18 23:36:08 2010.

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No, that guy says "Thank You President Bush".

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Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 18 23:54:28 2010, in response to Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over, posted by SMAZ on Wed Aug 18 23:43:52 2010.

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He's thanking Obama louder. It wasn't Obama that slowed him down with the surge.

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Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over

Posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 19 00:31:20 2010, in response to Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 18 23:54:28 2010.

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The surge helped beat back the Sunnis and Baathists and strenghtened the Iran-backed Shiite Government dummy.

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Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 19 00:36:48 2010, in response to Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over, posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 19 00:31:20 2010.

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Nope. It slowed Iran down. Who did your intelligence? Both Sunnis and Shi'ites were backed by Iran. They play both sides. The State Department re-confessed this a couple of days ago.

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Re: We've fled the War In Iraq

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 25 01:06:40 2010, in response to Re: We've fled the War In Iraq, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 18 20:17:06 2010.

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Funny how this takes place when Iraq has no government, right?

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Iraqis say US leaving at the wrong time

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 26 03:39:02 2010, in response to Re: We've fled the War In Iraq, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 18 23:34:54 2010.

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Even the ones that fought against the US are saying that.

Reuters

Iraqis who fought view U.S. exit with mixed feelings

Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:30am EDT
Sunni fighter Abu Mujahid lost a leg battling U.S. Marines in the Iraqi city of Falluja, scene of some of the fiercest battles of the Iraq war.

Small pieces of shrapnel still pit his skull and scars decorate his body after a missile strike in 2004 by a U.S. warplane on the city in the western province of Anbar — Iraq's Sunni heartland and once a stomping ground for al Qaeda.

"Yes, we fought them to the death and we dreamed of the day when they would leave Iraq," he said, laying aside a crutch as he sat down on a plastic chair in his house.

"But their withdrawal at this time is not in Iraq's interest," Abu Mujahid said.

His views echo widespread fears for the future among once dominant Sunnis, many of whom joined the insurgency after the 2003 U.S.-led invasion but now fear the departure of U.S. forces will cement Shi'ite Muslim — and Iranian — domination.

U.S. forces will not leave Iraq for another 16 months, the deadline for a complete withdrawal set in a bilateral security pact signed by former President George W. Bush in 2008.

But the U.S. military formally ends combat operations and limits it numbers to 50,000 on August 31, down from a peak of around 170,000 three years ago when the sectarian warfare unleashed after the invasion reached a frightening peak.

The remaining U.S. troops in Iraq will focus on advising and assisting their Iraqi counterparts, playing a back-seat yet still significant role in the continuing fight against an al Qaeda-led Sunni Islamist insurgency and Shi'ite militia.

Many Iraqis have mixed feelings about the gradual U.S. withdrawal.

Any initial jubilation over the fall of Saddam Hussein and his suppressive Baath party regime quickly turned to horror when sectarian war ignited and spread. . . .


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Re: Iraqis say US leaving at the wrong time

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Aug 26 07:09:14 2010, in response to Iraqis say US leaving at the wrong time, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 26 03:39:02 2010.

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off course their saying that, without Amercans they have to blow up their own people, ohh wait they were doing that anyway.
their gone kill each other, is it not great. problem solved.

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Re: Iraqis say US leaving at the wrong time

Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Aug 26 07:57:46 2010, in response to Iraqis say US leaving at the wrong time, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 26 03:39:02 2010.

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Yes, but the alternative is that this becomes a Hotel California.

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Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over!

Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Aug 26 08:27:56 2010, in response to The War In Iraq Is Officially Over!, posted by Union Turnpike on Wed Aug 18 20:15:03 2010.

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And the post-Vietnam era has officially begun! A terrorist group will eventually take control of the government after a bloody coup and will proceed to systematically murder all "enemies of the state".
Pol Pot would be proud.

I'm not saying Obama is wrong for removing troops from Iraq. He did promise to do so during his campaign. We should never have been in Iraq in the first place.






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Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 26 11:52:37 2010, in response to Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over!, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Aug 26 08:27:56 2010.

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We should never have been in Iraq in the first place

Why not?

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Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over!

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 26 12:10:23 2010, in response to Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over!, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Aug 26 08:27:56 2010.

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I'm not saying Obama is wrong for removing troops from Iraq.

He didn't. The withdrawal plan was set in place by the Bush administration and was well underway when Obama took office.

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Re: Iraqis say US leaving at the wrong time

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 26 14:06:51 2010, in response to Re: Iraqis say US leaving at the wrong time, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Aug 26 07:09:14 2010.

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No, that's not correct. Your mischaracterization is an attempt to obscure how friendly the Shi'ite government has been with Iran, and the fact that there is no government currently formed will result in Iran having an opportunity to take over the country.

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Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over; Future Uncertain

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 28 01:23:40 2010, in response to Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 26 12:10:23 2010.

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Yep, that's true.

Now this is what they face.

Wall Street Journal

AUGUST 27, 2010.

Iraqis Face Uncertain Future as U.S. Ends Combat Mission

By SAM DAGHER
BAGHDAD—Sheikh Fawzi Abdullah, imam of a Sunni mosque in the capital city's Amil section, looks with relief on the uneasy peace that has settled over his neighborhood.

Once-shuttered markets are bustling. Iraqi security forces control the enclave's streets. Displaced families have returned home to rebuild their lives.

"God willing, the fitna will never return," Mr. Abdullah says, using an Arabic word for the internal discord that nearly ripped Iraq apart after the 2003 U.S.-led invasion. At the height of the sectarian bloodshed, Amil, one of several mixed Sunni-Shiite neighborhoods in southwestern Baghdad, was at the front lines of some of the worst fighting between armed groups from the two Muslim sects.

As the U.S. declares an official end to its combat mission in Iraq on Tuesday, having cut its troops to fewer than 50,000, the outlook for the country is better than it was three years ago. And yet Amil, like the rest of Iraq, is watching with mixed emotions. In addition to hope, there is anger, disappointment at what the U.S. has achieved and a sense of plunging into the unknown.

Many here—majority Shiite Arabs, minority Sunni Arabs, as well as ethnic Kurds—are happy to see Saddam Hussein's regime gone. They've welcomed the uncertain emergence of long-denied civil liberties, such as the right to vote in free elections. They credit a recent surge of U.S. forces into Baghdad and surrounding provinces with taming the near-civil war that engulfed the country. And there are positive signs for the future. International oil companies are scrambling to invest, promising a boost in petroleum revenues. A nascent democracy, albeit fractious, has survived.

But some Iraqis also accuse America of clumsily dismantling Mr. Hussein's power structure and triggering three years of sectarian violence, a legacy that continues to rattle Iraq.

In a briefing Thursday, new U.S. Ambassador to Iraq James F. Jeffrey said America wasn't "abandoning Iraq," and spoke of an "evolution" in the relationship with Baghdad with a focus on military, economic and social cooperation. But he warned of serious risks. "The potential for violence, what I would characterize now primarily as terrorist acts here, is quite significant."

Since last August, insurgents have mounted a series of coordinated attacks that have threatened the country's delicate democratic institutions afresh. On Wednesday, more than a dozen attacks across the country—including bombing and targeted assassinations—killed more than 50, demonstrating that insurgents retain the ability to strike nearly at will and anywhere.

This comes as political feuding has gridlocked Baghdad since the March parliamentary elections. A coalition of mostly Shiite candidates, led by Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, barely lost out to a rival group led by former Prime Minister Ayad Allawi that includes many prominent Sunnis. Neither side has been able to cobble together a majority to form a new government, and instead have traded blame for the violence.

Adding to Iraqis' concerns are a still-simmering feud between the central government and the semi-autonomous Kurdistan region, and the possibility that an emboldened Iran will try to project power in Baghdad soon after U.S. troops shut the door behind them.

Violence could subside and politics stabilize enough that the last of America's troops will head home with history on their side. All American soldiers are slated to depart by the end of 2011, leaving a limited time for the government to clean up Iraq's many problems before the U.S. completes its withdrawal.

U.S. officials are framing Iraq as a success. Over the weekend, U.S. Army Gen. Ray Odierno said he was confident in Iraqi security forces' ability to take over. Iraq is "moving forward along every line," Gen. Odierno told CNN's "State of Union" program on Sunday. "It's moving forward a little bit economically. Its security forces are improving. Its diplomatic efforts are improving. Its governmental functions are improving."

Some of Washington's one-time allies here disagree.

"The idea that Iraq is being left in a good position is utter nonsense," says Adnan Pachachi, a senior Iraqi statesman who served on the Governing Council, a body created by the U.S. occupation immediately after the 2003 invasion. He said American officials shouldn't "delude themselves" about the readiness of Iraq's security forces.

A still-thriving insurgency has seized on the drawdown as a sign of American defeat. A spokesman claiming to represent one Iraqi insurgent group told the Al-Jazeera satellite channel last week that U.S. troops were leaving like "thieves," not "triumphant armies."

One problem the Americans leave behind is a security vacuum that threatens its accomplishments, including a troop surge that helped pull Iraq out of the near-civil war that started in 2006. Violence is much lower than it was, but it has ticked back up to 2008 levels, according to Iraqi estimates.

Those figures are disputed by U.S. officials, but recent attacks—targeting government buildings, army facilities and police—have shaken confidence. Iraq's army and security forces, which American commanders helped train and fund, appear overwhelmed by the violence.

Officials here blame the attacks on a hodge-podge of insurgents, including Sunni extremist groups linked to al-Qaeda and Shiite factions backed by Iran. Layered on top of that are networks tied to organized crime or alleged to be serving political agendas.

In addition to the urban centers of Baghdad and Mosul, areas like Diyala, northeast of the capital, are beset by violence. U.S. officials say insurgents have tried to exploit the central government's dispute with the Kurdistan region over oil rights and territory. They say insurgents are targeting both sides, in the hopes of drawing the two into open conflict. Amid fears of an all-out Arab-Kurd conflict, American soldiers will continue to man joint checkpoints with Iraqi soldiers and Kurdish forces along this northern fault-line after the end of August.

An even bigger worry is Iran. In Saddam Hussein's reign, Iran was a place of haven for many of the Iraqi Shiite politicians and traditionally pro-American Kurds like Iraqi President Jalal Talabani who are negotiating to form a government. In the current political impasse, Iran is actively pushing several of these leaders to form a broad Shiite coalition to govern, similar to the one that won elections in 2005 polls, according to Iraqi politicians. Iran denies it is meddling.

Hoshyar Zebari, a Kurd and Iraq's current foreign minister, predicts that the U.S. withdrawal will incite powerful neighbors like Iran, Turkey and others to "test the waters" and insert themselves even further into the country's affairs. "Most of the regional countries are involved and engaged in our daily political life," says Mr. Zebari.

Iran's emergence as a power player in Baghdad underscores a troubling shift across the region. When the U.S. knocked out Mr. Hussein, it also removed a long-standing check on Tehran's regional ambitions. The two fought a bloody war through much of the 1980s and remained bitter enemies until 2003.

The Mideast's long-time power brokers and U.S allies, Sunni-Arab dominated Egypt and Saudi Arabia, had also been bulwarks against Iranian ambitions in the region. But the unpopular American war in Iraq threatened legitimacy at home. And Cairo and Riyadh struggled to effectively counter Iran's influence in Lebanon and Gaza, where Iranian-backed groups Hezbollah and Hamas, respectively, strengthened their power base.

"I think we are at a period where … the Arabs are not making their weight felt on regional and international issues the way that they once did," said Ryan Crocker, the former U.S. ambassador to Iraq. "There is almost a sense of, 'we didn't like 2003 and pretend it didn't happen, and we are just going to ignore what goes on in Iraq.'"

That has former Iraqi officials like Raad al-Hamdani, once a commander of the Republican Guard during Mr. Hussein's regime, bitter that the U.S. appears to be abandoning Iraq when Baghdad most needs help. The U.S. withdrawal is a "repudiation by the United States of its moral, legal and historic obligations toward Iraq," says Mr. Hamdani, now a military strategist based in Jordan.

Still, the American invasion, occupation and reconstruction has changed many aspects of Iraq for the better. The country has held three national elections and provincial and regional elections. Iraqis adopted a new constitution with a more progressive bill of rights than most countries in the Middle East.

Living standards for many Iraqis have risen and the promise of greater prosperity looms, especially with the entry of companies eager to tap the country's oil riches. As of August, there were more than 37,000 companies registered in Iraq compared to about 8,500 before 2003, according to the Ministry of Trade.

Iraqis also now travel abroad freely, own cellular telephones and have access to satellite TV and the Internet—activities tightly controlled under Mr. Hussein's regime.

That all comes with a heavy toll. Some 113,616 civilians have been killed in acts of violence since the U.S.-led invasion, according to the Brookings Institution, the Washington think tank, which collates official and unofficial data. Thousands of people remain missing, according to Iraq's Human Rights Ministry.

Three-quarters of the 1.55 million Iraqis displaced by the sectarian conflict that started in 2006 haven't returned home yet, and an estimated 1.5 million live in neighboring countries, according to figures released in June by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. Iraq's minorities, including the Christians, have largely been driven out of the country.

Almost a quarter of all Iraqis live in poverty, spending less than 2,500 dinars ($2.20) per day, and possibly more are unemployed, according to a report published by the Iraqi government and the United Nations this month. The report says almost 75% of households don't have access to the public sewage system, while 80% of the potable water supply is unfit to drink. Iraq is among the top five most corrupt countries in the world, according to a 2009 report by Transparency International.

Iraq's woes began before the Americans arrived and have accumulated over years of war with neighboring countries and international sanctions. But many Iraqis believe Mr. Hussein's regime was replaced with a government unable—or worse, uninterested—in meeting their most urgent needs.

"We are creating a state of parasites," says Hanaa Edwar, the head of the Al-Amal Association, an Iraqi nongovernmental organization working in Baghdad since 2003.

In a predominantly Shiite section of Baghdad's Jihad neighborhood, next to Amil, Ali Majid recalls how the U.S.-led invasion changed his life—and then changed it again, and again. Before 2003, Mr. Majid juggled odd jobs to make ends meet. After the invasion, he made enough money working construction as a subcontractor for American companies to build a spacious new home for his wife and five children.

During the worst of the sectarian violence in 2006, he moved his family to neighboring Syria while he worked on an American base in Baghdad. The family returned in 2008.

Mr. Majid's company, Steps to Success, is now working on an Iraqi government electricity project south of Baghdad and two private-sector hotel projects in the capital. He owns several homes, drives an SUV and travels frequently abroad, including to China, where he says he does a lot of business.

Now, he's worried again. With the departure of the bulk of U.S. troops from Iraq, Mr. Majid says he lacks confidence in the future or the country's feuding political leaders. Even as he mulls a new addition to his home, he is making plans to leave if security starts to deteriorate: "The question will be whether we can make it to the border fast enough."

—Margaret Coker, Munaf Ammar, Hassan Haffidh and Jabbar Yaseen contributed to this article.


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Re: The War In Iraq Is Not Over in spite of US Drawdown, say Iraqis

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 29 21:10:39 2010, in response to Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over; Future Uncertain, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 28 01:23:40 2010.

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Kinda gotta ask where the hearts and minds are before you leave them to themselves.

Reuters

Iraqis say war "not ending" despite U.S. drawdown

By Waleed Ibrahim
Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:40pm EDT
BAGHDAD — President Barack Obama's message this weekend that Iraq would "chart its own course" may have been welcome news for war-weary Americans, but it has fueled anxieties about the future among Iraqis.

"The war is not ending. The war against terrorism continues here," Nuri al-Moussawi, a 51-year-old Baghdad resident, said.

Obama said on Saturday the end of U.S. combat operations on Tuesday, and a fall in U.S. troop numbers to 50,000, helped fulfill a promise he made during the 2008 presidential campaign to end the 7-1/2-year war launched by his predecessor, George W. Bush.

But the failure of Iraqi leaders to form a new government almost six months after elections, and persistent attacks by insurgents, have done little to instill confidence among Iraqis.

"The American withdrawal is hasty. The capabilities of our army have not been built yet," Moussawi said.

Overall violence has fallen sharply since the peak of sectarian carnage in 2006/07. Nevertheless, like many Iraqis, Moussawi has little faith in the abilities of Iraq's 660,000-strong police and army to protect the country.

Toppled dictator Saddam Hussein's once feared armed forces were disbanded by U.S. administrators shortly after the 2003 U.S-led invasion and Iraq's army, police, navy and air force had to be rebuilt from scratch.

Suspected Sunni Islamist insurgents have put the domestic security forces to the test, killing 57 at an army recruitment center on August 17 and more than 60 when suicide car bombers attacked police stations around the country on August 25.

Obama's remarks were seen as a preview of a televised address he plans to give on Tuesday evening from the White House Oval Office. The White House is trying to emphasize Obama's accomplishments ahead of November elections when his fellow Democrats face war-weary voters preoccupied by economic jitters.

But 50,000 U.S. soldiers will remain in Iraq up to an end-2011 deadline set in a bilateral security pact Bush signed with the Iraqi government just before departing the White House.

"Those who say the war in Iraq is ending are committing a mistake" said Hassan bin Hachim 62, an Iraqi day laborer.

"The war will not end unless a real partnership government is formed that includes all the parties, and doesn't marginalize any of the parties," he said.

A Sunni-backed cross-sectarian coalition led by ex-premier Iyad Allawi won two more seats than Maliki's Shi'ite-led alliance in the 325-seat parliament in March elections, but both fell short of a majority needed to govern. Coalition talks have gone nowhere.

If Allawi's bloc ends up being excluded from government, anger among Iraq's once dominant Sunnis could provide new fuel for the Sunni Islamist insurgency opposed to the rise to power of Iraq's Shi'ite majority after the fall of Saddam.

Muhsin al-Timimi, a 47-year-old journalist, hopes for an end to the war in which more than 100,000 Iraqi civilians, and more than 4,400 U.S. soldiers, have died.

"But the war will only end when our politicians agree with each other and form a government. This will lay the ground for a better future. Otherwise the war will continue," Timimi said.

(Additional reporting by Reuters Television; Editing by Michael Christie and Michael Roddy)


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Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over? (Allawi interview)

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 30 00:54:27 2010, in response to The War In Iraq Is Officially Over!, posted by Union Turnpike on Wed Aug 18 20:15:03 2010.

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This one's in der Spiegel . . . what is it with the left-leaning media; it's almost as though they don't want the USA to leave Iraq . . . ?

08/29/2010
SPIEGEL Interview with Iraq's Ayad Allawi

'Every Corner in the Region Is Frightened'

In a SPIEGEL interview, Ayad Allawi, Iraq's former and possibly future prime minister, discusses the withdrawal of US troops, the power struggle in Baghdad and the "very high possibility" of a new war in the Middle East.

Three bodyguards are sitting in front of his hotel suite in Kuwait, their guns bulging from beneath their suits. It's Ramadan and the men are fasting. But Ayad Allawi isn't, and he asks for an espresso. Allawi doesn't even create the impression that he lives according to religious rites. And that's also one reason why, nearly six months after the Iraqi election, he still hasn't become prime minister. He is one of the few representatives of a secular and supra-denominational Iraq.

The son of a Shiite businessman, Allawi became a member of the Baath Party as a student, but fell out with Saddam Hussein in the 1970s and then worked with Western intelligence services in the effort to topple the dictator. In 2004, the United States installed him as the first prime minister in postwar Iraq. After a year of governing as interim prime minister, he failed to win a democratic election to remain in the office. But in March 2010, he led in the parliamentary elections, with a two-seat advantage. Despite almost six months of talks, however, he still hasn't managed to form a government.

Allawi is pessimistic about the region. He says that on the night before his interview with SPIEGEL, he conferred with Arab leaders until 1 a.m. With a growing number of conflicts in the region, he says, the situation has grown more serious than most there have ever experienced. "Early today," he explains, "one of the most experienced of us came in and asked: Has the next catrastrophe in the Middle East broken out yet?"
SPIEGEL: Dr. Allawi, you are a neurologist by profession. How would you describe Iraq's current state in medical terms?

Allawi: Critical. It could go either way. Everything depends on the doctors' management of the patient. If the management is good, Iraq can survive. If not, then God forbid.

SPIEGEL: So your best case prognosis would be …

Allawi: … an Iraq with a balanced and inclusive government, which transcends sectarianism, starts political reconciliation, builds full-blown state institutions and security forces and creates an independent foreign policy.

SPIEGEL: And the pessimistic one?

Allawi: Iraq continues on its downward slide and becomes a failed state. If that happens the Pandora's box will open again and all the violence will reappear.

SPIEGEL: A relapse, in clinical terms, to the bloodiness seen in 2006 and 2007?

Allawi: Yes. But a relapse now would be much more severe, because we do not have multinational forces anymore which could contain a civil war.

SPIEGEL: The combat deployment of the US troops officially ends this week. Will that help Iraq or does it take away the sick patient's life support?

Allawi: It is politically important. But the problem is that we have not established the supportive fixtures for the patient. We have not established the political groundwork; we have not built an army that can really shoulder the responsibility.

SPIEGEL: The Iraqi military chief of staff, General Babakir Zebari, says that Iraq's army will not be fully ready before 2020 and that the Americans must stay.
Allawi: I agree with him. It may well take another 10 years.

SPIEGEL: Are the Americans leaving too early?

Allawi: They have to leave eventually. They have been in Iraq for seven years and we have not achieved anything ourselves. Who can guarantee that this would be different another seven years from now?

SPIEGEL: Does IS US President Barack Obama's administration neglect Iraq to the benefit of Afghanistan?

Allawi: You see what is happening in Afghanistan: It is a total failure. The problem here is not about America leaving Iraq and continuing its fight in Afghanistan. America has to rethink its strategy for the whole region from Central Asia to the Middle East. NATO will have to rethink its strategy, and so will Europe. The West's policy is wrong. Just look around: Somalia is a totally failed state. Yemen faces the most serious of challenges. Palestine? One step forward, three steps back. And somewhere down the line, Lebanon will be on the agenda. God help us when the United Nations Special Tribunal for Lebanon issues its verdicts in the murder case of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri.

SPIEGEL: That is a very gloomy analysis — and it does not provide much hope for peace in this region.

Allawi: I am not gloomy, I am only realistic. America is the last remaining superpower. We need to have good relations with Washington. But we also have to see the mistakes in the US strategy. We have excellent, professional soldiers in Iraq today but, and I am only quoting the chief of staff here, we do not have an army ready to shoulder its responsibilities. Similar comments come from the interior minister. And our police force is infiltrated by militias.

SPIEGEL: Saddam Hussein's former foreign minister, Tariq Aziz, who is now in prison, accuses America of leaving Iraq "to the wolves." Who does he mean by that?

Allawi: He means the predators that have been unleashed all over the Middle East, the lawless people and the terrorists who want to spill as much blood as possible on as many places as possible. The conflicts between Afghanistan, the Horn of Africa and the Maghreb are similar and interconnected in this respect.

SPIEGEL: The leaders of Israel, Egypt, Jordan and the Palestinians will soon start a new round of peace talks in Washington. Do you believe these talks have any chance?

Allawi: I am very skeptical. I do not think it will work. The environment is not right.

SPIEGEL: For the past two years, it seemed as though Iraq had tamed its predators. The al-Qaida terrorists appeared to have been decisively beaten.

Allawi: Yes, but the early warning signs that have accumulated over the past months, the increase in violence, the new wave of assassinations and suicide attacks, should not be read as something superficial and accidental. On one day alone we counted 13 attacks with dozens of people killed. This is a systematic development. The biggest mistake committed by the Iraqi government and the multinational forces was to let down the Sahwa forces — the tribal movement which was so decisive in the fight against al-Qaida. They have not been integrated; they have been disenfranchised and pushed back into despair and poverty. This will have consequences. Violent groups are already mushrooming in the shadows of al-Qaida.

SPIEGEL: So, the successes of the past few years are highly endangered?

Allawi: Just look at what is happening in Afghanistan: All the pressure, all the bombs have not finished off the Taliban and al-Qaida. They have actually been strengthened beyond the country's borders itself into Pakistan. The overall strategy is wrong.

SPIEGEL: Your rival, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, claims to have established a strong Iraq and to be a strong leader.

Allawi: He is not strong. How do you define strength? Commanding one square kilometer in the center of Baghdad?

SPIEGEL: You mean the Green Zone, the highly secure government and embassy compound by the Tigris.

Allawi: From Basra in the south to Mosul in the north, demonstrations are raging. Services (like electricity, water and trash collection) are almost on standstill. Even the Green Zone is being bombarded on a daily basis again. We have an army without airplanes and without tanks. What sort of strength is this?

Part 2: 'We Have a Constitutional Problem in Iraq'

SPIEGEL: Iraqis do not blame al-Maliki alone for this misery, however. They do blame politicians in general, yourself included. Some voters have risked their lives by participating in the elections, but even after nearly five months of negotiations, you haven't yet succeeded in forming a government.

Allawi: This is democracy. And because of the fact that electoral alliances are formed in Iraq even after the election, and the fact that al-Maliki's list succeeded in pushing for a recount of the votes, we lost three precious months of time.

SPIEGEL:: America is now pushing for a power-sharing agreement between your list and al-Maliki's list and for important cabinet posts to be split between the two.

Allawi: It is not the Americans who are pushing. It was me who convinced the US and the United Nations to move forward through a devolution of power.

SPIEGEL: What does that mean? You will become prime minister and al-Maliki will be president? Or vice-versa?

Allawi: No. We have a constitutional problem in Iraq. All the power is focused in the office of the prime minister, no matter whether that person is me or al-Maliki. My list has suggested splitting this power. The idea is to set up a modus according to which I can accept a position, not necessarily that of prime minister, and he can accept a position, not necessarily that of prime minister, because both of us will be part of the decision-making process and hold the important keys in our hands.

SPIEGEL: But three years ago you told us that Iraq needs a strong leader. You said this country cannot even be governed otherwise.

Allawi: Yes, and I stand by this even today. But the results of the election were so close that we cannot practically adhere to this. We have not yet transitioned to democracy. Even in 2007 we thought that we had progressed further than we actually have today. We have reached a point now where nobody trusts anybody and where the future of the country and the entire region is at stake.

SPIEGEL: And at this critical point of time you decided to break off talks with al-Maliki because he called your group a "Sunni" one? Is this responsible behavior?

Allawi: Absolutely, yes. If we hadn't objected to this lie we would have lost our constituency. Our voters, the still strong group of secular people in Iraq, are steadfast on the issue of sectarianism. A Sunni in our group doesn't want to be seen as a Sunni, a Shia doesn't want to be seen as a Shia.

SPIEGEL: Why is the political class that returned from exile with the help of American tanks, yourself included, so extremely incapable of finding even minimal compromises?

Allawi: Because the political process we have witnessed over the past seven years has been deeply corrupted and riddled by terror and violence. This process has not grown from Iraqi sources. It was a process guarded, even guaranteed by America. After such a process, where should compromise and stability come from? We should have linked our Status of Forces Agreement with the US to political reform.

SPIEGEL: You made headlines when you recently met with the Shia firebrand and former militia leader Muqtada al-Sadr, a man whose supporters tried to kill you in December 2005 in Najaf.

Allawi: This meeting happened, almost accidentally, in Damascus. I have always been against militias and will never change this attitude. To tell you the truth, I found this guy very honest, straightforward and uncomplicated. We have known his family of learned men for generations, so I asked him: "None of your relatives has ever advocated sectarianism — how come you have become part of a sectarian set-up?" He answered: "I am full-heartedly against sectarianism. I am all for an Iraqi solution for our problems, not a Shiite one."

SPIEGEL: Some experts see his mysterious retreat as the real reason behind Iraq's improvement in 2008. He was considered by many Iraqis and Americans to be "the most dangerous man in Iraq."

Allawi: If this was the case then all of us are dangerous. This man has 40 seats in parliament and has a grassroots movement in this country.

SPIEGEL: Do you expect him to return to Iraq and to politics?

Allawi: He should. It would be good for Iraq and his own people.

SPIEGEL: Which foreign power currently wields the most influence in Iraqi politics?

Allawi: Iran.


SPIEGEL: Can you elaborate?

Allawi: No.

SPIEGEL: Why not? Many countries are currently worried about Iran because of its nuclear program.

Allawi: For me, Iran's influence is not positive. I am certainly not an advocate of Iranian policies. I am even sure that they have a red line and a veto on me. But I think the world should engage and talk with Iran and try to see and feel where the fears of Iran lie. The Iranians are logical people. We should try to convince them that proliferation does not serve their purpose in the end.

SPIEGEL: You travel from one Arab capital to the other, you know all the Arab leaders and you also know that they are arming themselves.

Allawi: Everybody is frightened. Every corner of the region is frightened. Even America is frightened, even Iran is frightened. We are heading towards a situation which almost compares to the Cuban crisis in 1962. There is an umbrella of fear spreading above us. Everybody should do his utmost to prevent tensions. I am calling for an international conference on the issue of proliferation.

SPIEGEL: Can Iraq live with a nuclear Iran?

Allawi: I don't think so.

SPIEGEL: Do you think that war will break out over Iran's nuclear program?

Allawi: It is a very high possibility.


Interview conducted by Bernhard Zand


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Dangers of war persist for soldiers left in Iraq

By Leila Fadel
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, August 28, 2010; 12:13 AM


FORWARD OPERATING BASE WARHORSE, IRAQ — Col. Malcolm Frost knew there would be questions. The official end to the U.S. combat mission in Iraq was approaching, but his soldiers, operating in two of Iraq's most dangerous provinces, would still be here.

He sat down and penned a letter to the soldiers' families. "01 Sept. 2010 does not mean a light switched on or off in Iraq," the brigade commander wrote. ". . . The weight of responsibility upon our shoulders is great, because we must follow through to the very finish."

For the soldiers in Frost's brigade, Sept. 1 will mark an arbitrary milestone. There are fewer troops here, just under 50,000 now, consistent with an Obama administration pledge, and the troops leave base less often. But Americans still die in Iraq, and the fight for stability is far from over.

Iraq remains a battleground, American soldiers say, even if they are no longer kicking down Iraqi doors.

Instead of carrying out combat missions, Frost's unit has been designated an "advise and assist" brigade, like five other American brigades left behind in Iraq. Its task is to train Iraqi security forces, gather intelligence, assist Iraq's fledgling air force, and, ultimately, close up shop and go home. The lower-profile approach under Operation New Dawn is the latest step in a transition that began more than a year ago when American soldiers were pulled back from Iraq's urban centers and for the most part retreated into their bases.

But less than two months into the unit's deployment, two of Frost's men have already been killed. The mission still involves risks as the soldiers escort commanders and trainers to appointments with Iraqi officials. Around them, assassinations and violence seem to be on the rise, although at drastically lower levels than during the darkest days of Iraq's civil war, between 2005 and 2007.

Last week, as news reports in the United States hailed the departure from Iraq of the last designated combat brigade, family members eagerly called their loved ones here, asking whether they too were headed home. No, the soldiers told wives, mothers, fathers and grandmothers. They have more than 300 days left in Iraq.

The day after other troops celebrated their exit from Iraq, soldiers at FOB Warhorse mourned the passing of Sgt. Jamal Rhett, a young medic killed on Aug. 15. A grenade was lobbed into his vehicle as he and his platoon left federal police headquarters in Baqubah, northeast of Baghdad. They were escorting a police training team.

Despite their new title, soldiers know that the battle is not over, not for them and not for Iraq. The names of Rhett and 1st Lt. Michael L. Runyan, both from the 1st Battalion, 21st Infantry Regiment, were added to a memorial of the fallen that spans at least five concrete blast walls at the base.

At the trailers where the Charlie Company of the 1st Battalion, 21st Infantry Regiment lives, Staff Sgt. Gilbert Ayala, 28, limped to the showers. Shrapnel ripped into his side and legs about two weeks ago, when Rhett was killed.

Ayala said it doesn't matter to him what the mission is called. This is his third deployment, and he has been wounded and lost friends before. But this wound was the deepest, this loss the hardest.

"I find new holes in me every day," Ayala said. He scoffed at the idea that the war was over. "It can't be, because things like this are still going down. Boom, and my friend is gone, right in front of me."

"On a lighter note, we got coffee," joked Staff Sgt. Rick Penkala, 32, nervously trying to change the subject.

"I just hope we leave this place better than when we came," added Staff Sgt. Paul Roderick Jr., 29.

A 'tactical taxi'

In many ways, Iraq is better, the soldiers said. There are more Iraqi forces, they are better equipped, and the violence is down compared with the days of the U.S. troop surge, when U.S. casualties spiked and Iraqis were being killed in far greater numbers. But the soldiers' interactions with the community are limited, and they see very little of what happens outside their bases.

First Lt. Mike Makrucki briefed his men outside their Stryker armored vehicles. "Yesterday there was a [car bomb] in Baqubah that killed two and wounded 12 others. The [Explosives Ordinance Team] disabled another bomb targeting the provincial government," he said. "Assassination attempts are running rampant."

Their mission on this day was to escort their captain, Burt Eissler, to a meeting with an Iraqi commander in Muqdadiyah, just outside the provincial capital. The road was new for them, and Makrucki warned that roadside bombs were prevalent. He told the soldiers to keep their heads inside the vehicles as much as possible.

"We're a tactical taxi now," said Spec. Joshua Johnson, 25, the gunner on one vehicle, as he put on his gear and assumed his position. On most of their missions they escort people to their destination and sit outside.

"Pray for the best," he told the four other soldiers in the vehicle. They rolled out of the base. Halfway to their destination they stopped and waited for an Iraqi police escort before continuing. Eissler went in to meet an Iraqi army commander as most of the soldiers waited outside. They rolled down the hatches of their vehicles and took off their helmets.

"We're pretty safe in here now," said Staff Sgt. Justin Austin, 23, as he gestured toward the towering concrete walls surrounding the area. "Muqdadiyah is one of the worst spots in Iraq right now. The war may be over, but combat is definitely not. People still die here."

Sudden violence

Since the death of their brother-in-arms the soldiers have been more careful. They train their weapons on people to scare them away, he said.

"It was a lucky day for them and unlucky for us," Austin said. "It's kind of a slap in the face to see on the news that all combat troops are out. We're infantry guys, and that's just a name change. It means nothing."

"We're going to do our mission, no matter what," Johnson added.

"It seems a lot better. The Iraqi security forces seem a lot better," Austin said. "But honestly I don't really care. I just care that we go home."

Then a powerful blast rocked the vehicle, and Austin threw on his helmet.

"Start the truck," he yelled to the driver. They closed the hatch, and the soldiers rolled out to see what had happened. "I don't know what's going on right now," Johnson said. "It's a car bomb, I think."

At the time they didn't know that Sunni insurgent groups were setting off bombs in at least a dozen towns and cities across the country in what seemed to be a message that they were still here as U.S. troop numbers dwindled.

The soldiers stayed in their vehicles and waited for the bomb squad. A half-hour later, another explosion ripped through an Iraqi army truck in front of them. A man was carried away. "At least it's not us this time," said Pfc. Stephen James Lapierre, 23. Rhett had been his roommate.

They waited in their vehicles and watched as people walked by, cars drove around them and Iraqi security forces blocked off the area. After the bomb squad had finally come and gone, they left.

Johnson handed Lapierre a slab of wood.

"Knock on it for luck," he said.


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Because the European Union said so?

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Yeah, mourn. I think the reporters at der Spiegel want the USA to stay for some reason. (Don't laugh at this reporter's name.)

08/30/2010
US Withdrawal from Iraq

Baghdad Residents Mourn Departure of Former Enemy

By Ulrike Putz in Baghdad

US combat troops are withdrawing from Iraq, where terrorist attacks are once again part of everyday life. The Iraqi population is suddenly mourning the departure of the once-hated occupiers, as fears of civil war grow.

The Al Faw Palace in Baghdad is a relic from the reign of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. This Wednesday, it will be the scene of a significant moment in the history of American involvement in the country, when US General Raymond Odierno hands over the command of US forces in Iraq to his successor. The ceremony will mark the penultimte step of the US withdrawal from Iraq.

Only 50,000 US troops will remain in the country, out of a total of over 170,000 soldiers that were in Iraq at the high point of the American deployment. They are staying mainly to support the Iraqi security forces as advisers and trainers, and are also due to return to their homeland at the end of 2011.

The withdrawal of US combat troops from Iraq's urban centers just over a year ago was welcomed euphorically. Fireworks lit up the sky, honking motorcades drove through the streets and men danced with joy. They were celebrating the fact that the occupiers were finally out of sight, but still close enough to intervene should terror once again regain the upper hand.

No one expects much dancing in the streets of Baghdad this Wednesday. The streets are deserted these days. It is not only the infernal heat of up to 50 degrees Celsius (122 degrees Fahrenheit) which keeps people in their homes. It is also the fear of what will happen once the Americans are gone.

Visitors to Baghdad can sense the fear that many people have of a new civil war. That fear is underscored by the daily news reports on television. Last week, at least 56 Iraqis died at the hands of suicide bombers and snipers in around two dozen terrorist attacks. In August, an average of five policemen or soldiers died every day.

'Not in Iraq's Interests'

Given the violence that is flaring up again, many Iraqis want their occupiers to stay longer. "They shouldn't leave. The situation is not stable," says Mohammed Ali Mohammed, a 55-year-old shopkeeper in the New Baghdad district who sells vegetables and canned goods. Iraq has no government, the politicians are incompetent and the situation on the streets is "brutal," he says. "The Americans are leaving, but they didn't ask us."

Zeinab Ali, a 19-year-old student, agrees with him: "We had hoped that the US would help the Iraqis to end the political chaos. Instead, they surprised us with the decision to withdraw their troops," says Ali, who is currently in the first semester of a course in Islamic Studies.

His assessment of the situation is not, however, completely correct. It has been clear ever since Washington and Baghdad signed an agreement in late 2008 that the US would withdraw its troops by the end of 2011. Many Iraqis could not, and did not want to, believe that the US government would abide by its agreements, however. It has been decades since Iraq has had a government that keeps its word.

The uncertainty about what will happen now is so far-reaching that it has even affected the former arch-enemies of the US Army. Abu Mujahid lost a leg in 2004 when he fought against the invaders in the battle of Fallujah. Shrapnel fragments are lodged in his head, the legacy of a US missile strike. "Yes, we fought them to the death," Mujahid, who is a Sunni Muslim, told the news agency Reuters. "We dreamed of the day when they would leave Iraq. But their withdrawal at this time is not in Iraq's interests."

Deep-Rooted Fears

On the political level, too, doubts are growing as to whether Iraq can survive on its own. "Withdrawing at this moment is extremely dangerous," says Shaher Ketab, a political consultant who is close to the secular al-Iraqiya coalition. He has just come from the latest in a series of meetings with Vice President Tariq al-Hashimi. They were discussing the formation of the new Iraqi government -- a process that is no further forward today, five-and-a-half months after the election.

It is this political vacuum that is making the Iraqis fearful. The experiences of recent years have shown that chaos reigns wherever there is no strong state in charge. "The US is leaving behind a huge security hole," complains Ketab. He rejects the suggestion that the hole has in fact been created by his own clients, the politicians who do not want to agree on a compromise for a coalition government.

Mahmoud Othman, a member of parliament within the Kurdish bloc, is hard on his fellow politicians. In the tough negotiations, Othman occupies a position between the Shiite-dominated State of Law coalition of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and the nationalist-secular Iraqiya coalition of former Prime Minister Ayad Allawi. The major parties "are responsible for the fact that Iraq is paralyzed," rants Othman, speaking in his heavily guarded villa near the Tigris River. "They have betrayed their voters."

Othman believes the reason for the deadlock in negotiations is the feeling of suspicion that became burned into Iraqis during the dictatorship. "No politician wants to go into opposition," he says. In the Arab world, a government's political opponents traditionally ended up in prison, he explains. "It's impossible to get rid of people's fears."

But Othman, too, sees the US as at least partly responsible for the current situation. The US had promised "a responsible reduction in troop levels," he says. "But is it responsible to now simply run away? No!" he says. "Obama is acting according to the motto: I will leave Iraq to the Iraqis, and the Iraqis to themselves."

The Kurdish politician argues that the US should have provided better training for local security forces. "After all, it was the Americans that got us into this mess." There was no al-Qaida in Iraq when Saddam was in power, he points out. "The Americans now have to teach the Iraqis how to deal with the problems that they are leaving behind."

'You Can't Please the Iraqis'

The US forces, for their part, are observing the sudden regret over their departure with interest. "We are seeing that very clearly," says Brigadier General Mark Corson, speaking in the US military base in Balad about 70 miles (110 kilometers) north of Baghdad. Most of the troop withdrawal in recent months has taken place via the Balad base. Corson compares the logistics of the operation to moving an entire American city with a population of 80,000.

The decision to leave the country has not been called into question for one moment, despite the Iraqis' new-found affection for their occupiers, Corson says. "You can't please the Iraqis. If you're here, you are the evil occupier. If you leave, you are letting them down. Then it's better to just leave at some point."


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Now it's every Iraqi for himself

As US troops pull out and pro-government militias collapse, many locals are facing a choice between their families' safety and their country's future, says Richard Spencer in Baghdad.

By Richard Spencer
Published: 7:56AM BST 01 Sep 2010
It is not difficult to find people in Iraq who are certain that they are about to be killed. But in the case of Mazin Fahmi, it is hard to disagree. Mr Fahmi has already escaped death scores of times. Three months ago, he was saved by his body armor — the bullet penetrated only far enough to wound, as he proves by showing a photograph in which it is lodged in his chest. He is a regular target for "sticky bombs", which are removed by one of his few remaining bodyguards from under his car. And that's not to mention the "drive-by" threats from local youths he knows to be in the pay of al-Qaeda.

To be fair, street warfare was part and parcel of the deal that Fahmi, 48, struck four years ago to lead one of the Awakening Councils, the new pro-government militias. They were recruited by the Americans to take on al-Qaeda in Iraq's Sunni strongholds. What has changed — and what makes him certain that his chances of survival are shrinking — are the loyalties of his men. Once, he said, he had 385 under his command, their salaries paid by the government. For a while, they made the streets of his neighborhood, Adhamiya in northwest Baghdad, safe. Now there are just 13 left. The rest have quit, frustrated by unpaid salaries and petrified by death threats.

In the story of the Awakening Councils and their gradual defection — in some cases, re-defection — to the terrorists they used to fight, lies the modern history of Iraq. Three years ago, they were part of the American and Iraqi "surge" that brought relative peace to the country. Now the surge is over, and their role is coming to an end. As the Americans today formally reduce their troop levels to below 50,000, President Obama is betting that the decline in public order, which is partly a result of the crisis within the Awakening movement, is a blip. That may be true — but Fahmi, and most of his fellow Iraqis, are not so sure.

Yesterday, Fahmi seemed calm, but was in a state of some despair. He accused both the government and Iran of supporting al-Qaeda. He said that of the 13 men he had left, he trusted only three to protect him. His political positions were extreme: he called for a return to strong-man, one-party government, only this time chosen by the Americans, so Iraq did not fall into the hands of a brute like Saddam Hussein.

As he repeatedly dived into the stairwell of his apartment, in response to an "alert", it was hard to follow his arguments. It was a senior policeman elsewhere, in the city of Fallujah, who explained more clearly what had happened.

The colonel — who asked not to be named, as he was contradicting the government line — had immaculate records. He took out the Awakening's salary-books, which showed names, amounts and thumbprints to demonstrate that the money had been picked up. In the most recent, the thumbprints began to be replaced with a scrawl saying that the recipient had not turned up.

"We have had 135 Awakening members resign," he said. Al-Qaeda can offer between $300 and $500 a month to turn coat, roughly twice as much as their meagre government salaries of $120 to $250.

Talking to me, the police colonel admitted for the first time something that had been rumoured in recent weeks: that sweeps of al-Qaeda suspects have started to turn up not only former Awakening recruits, but those still taking their salary. His men had arrested 10 Awakening members from Fallujah this year who were now in prison awaiting trial.

The virtue for al-Qaeda is simple and deadly. These new recruits man checkpoints, and can let the bombers through. In one case, instead of guarding a police station, they were guarding the men who were trying to bomb it. "They told me their salaries were not enough to keep their families," the colonel said. And, he added, since the terrorists were local, they knew where those families lived.

For the policeman, this is a political issue. He has been to Baghdad to ask to be allowed to raise the Awakening members' salaries, but to no avail. He did not say so, but the Shia-led government distrusts the Awakening movement, despite its acknowledged record, and fears that it could become a Sunni fifth column.

For Fahmi, things are more personal. "Everyone knew who did it," he said of one recent murder in Adhamiya. "We knew who it was, and we went and picked them up. The victim's brother had seen the shooting, and identified the shooter." Fahmi knew them because they had belonged to his team and were carrying their Awakening cards.

Last night, in Washington, President Obama delivered a televised speech from the White House, heralding the withdrawal of US forces. His timetable for drawdown — an end of front-line operations by today, and all troops home by the end of next year — has become a test of his foreign policy credibility, and he has to take credit for keeping to it. But in Iraq itself, where civilian casualties are once again rising month by month, the Americans seem unsure how to proceed.

Two weeks ago, in an operation timed perfectly for the evening bulletins back home, the last combat brigade rolled across the border with Kuwait. But today's press conference by the departing American commander has been cancelled. After all, the great August pullout has merely reduced the number of American troops in Iraq from 56,000 to 49,700.

But even if today's events have more of a psychological than physical impact, that is still important — for the decisions facing most Iraqis are now largely based on perception.

Although there have been many explanations for the relative calm that descended last year, what all the explanations had in common was the message that was being given out. The American part of the surge demonstrated a commitment to securing Iraq — rather than merely conquering it — that had originally seemed absent. The decision by the Shia-led government to take on powerful militias run by their co-religionists, who had seized control of cities like Basra, suggested that it was prepared to put country before sect. This then spurred the man and woman on the street to take risks for the future.

With the Americans leaving again, and the politicians unable to form a government, six months after parliamentary elections, the calculation has shifted once more. Securing a safe tomorrow for your family is a better bet than securing a safe future for the nation.

For some, such as the upmarket shopkeepers of Baghdad, this means nothing more than bribing the police for extra security, even if that marks an acceptance of the old, corrupt ways. For the remaining Awakening foot soldiers, such as 25-year-old Bariq al-Missari, it means taking seriously the CD that was left on his doorstep, featuring a man's voice saying "they" would reach him and kill him, and his family. "You have a uniform like the Americans," the voice said.

The situation may yet improve. Last year, the economy was without doubt on the up, as indicated by the car dealerships and new restaurants that line the streets. If the contracts handed out to oil firms, including BP, succeed in raising production to its potential 12 million barrels a day, second only to Saudi Arabia, Iraq could indeed become another Gulf miracle.

Nor does the story have to be told in terms of mortuary statistics — 4,400 American dead, anywhere upwards of 100,000 Iraqi civilians — or the endless tales of maimed children and murdered mothers. In fact, it is better not, as they have almost lost their power to shock.

Yesterday, instead, the story was a telling detail. Four years ago, said Hadi Zweid, owner of a smart men's outfitter's, it was not safe to stay open after 4 pm. Last year, it was 11 pm, and now it is 9 pm. The judgment of that reverse Doomsday clock feels, on balance, about right.

But not to Fahmi. The roll call is too long: three militiamen killed on Friday in Al-Sharqat, north of Baghdad; six more in Diyala on Thursday. Malik Yaseen al-Janabi, Fahmi's counterpart in the town of Jurf, south of Baghdad, killed the week before. "As I say, I have only three bodyguards I trust," Fahmi told me, as he sent one of them to scout the street outside. "Even so, I keep an eye on them."


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The War In Iraq Is Officially Over, but US Troops Fight On

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 24 13:51:33 2010, in response to The War In Iraq Is Officially Over!, posted by Union Turnpike on Wed Aug 18 20:15:03 2010.

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U.S. troops fight on despite end to combat in Iraq

By Jim Loney
Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:14pm EDT


BAGHDAD (Reuters) — Since President Barack Obama declared an end to combat operations in Iraq, U.S. troops have waged a gun battle with a suicide squad in Baghdad, dropped bombs on armed militants in Baquba and assisted Iraqi soldiers in a raid in Falluja.

Obama's announcement on August 31 has not meant the end of fighting for some of the 50,000 U.S. military personnel remaining in Iraq 7½ years after the invasion that removed Saddam Hussein.

"Our rules of engagement have not changed. Iraq does remain from time to time a dangerous place, so when our soldiers are attacked they will return fire," said Brigadier General Jeffrey Buchanan, a U.S. military spokesman.

The American role in Iraq's battle to quell a tenacious Islamist insurgency has been waning since security in cities and towns was handed over to Iraqi police and soldiers in June 2009.

Officially, U.S. forces remain in Iraq to "advise, train and assist."

When they answered a call for help two weeks ago from Iraqi soldiers overwhelmed in a gunfight with militants hiding in a palm grove near Baquba in Diyala province, U.S. troops brought in attack helicopters and F-16 jet fighters.

The F-16s dropped two bombs to help end the skirmish. They were the first bombs used in Iraq by the United States since July 2009, Buchanan said.
15 ATTACKS PER DAY
Overall violence has dropped sharply since the peak of the sectarian slaughter in which tens of thousands of people were killed in 2006-2007. The U.S. military says there are about 15 attacks in Iraq each day on average.

American soldiers are no longer supposed to be on the front line of the fight against Sunni Islamist al Qaeda, Shi'ite militias and other groups still active in Iraq.

They routinely ride along with Iraqi special forces in counter-terrorism operations but no longer play a direct role, for example, in a raid on an al Qaeda hideout.

Colonel Mark Mitchell, commander of a U.S. special operations training force, said Americans are routinely outnumbered by Iraqis two-to-one on such missions but the ratio can be as high as eight-to-one.

Iraqis plan and lead the operation and conduct the assault, while Americans hold back, watching, coaching and supervising, entering the hideout only when the Iraqis have secured it.

"We call it the Darth Vader model ... the imperial storm troopers, they'll go in, secure the target. Once it's all secure then Darth Vader can go in and walk through," Mitchell said.

"The bottom line is, we're not in the house."

U.S. officials say a senior American officer will be at the side of the Iraqi commander, coaching. U.S. troops will ensure the Iraqis are securing the scene perimeter, controlling crowds and properly gathering forensic evidence.

As in the Baquba shootout, they will call up air support, bringing in weaponry the Iraqis lack. They will arrange medical evacuations.

They can support the Iraqis with technology by providing live video links from aerial drones, allowing ground commanders to see where their troops and their adversaries are positioned.
LOCAL OFFICIALS CRITICAL
On Sept 15, U.S. and Iraqi special operations forces raided a house in Falluja in darkness in pursuit of suspected al Qaeda militants, Buchanan said.

The assault force came under fire from several locations and shot back, according to Buchanan, who said four al Qaeda militants were killed with two other men who emerged from a house with weapons and appeared to be a threat.

Local officials criticized the raid and said seven people were killed including two women and three children.

In the September 5 attack by suicide bombers and gunmen on an Iraqi base in Baghdad, U.S. troops got involved in the gunfight.

The U.S. military routinely has personnel at the base and about 100 advisers were on hand that day. A U.S. drone fed real-time pictures of the attack to commanders.

Buchanan said the Americans helped repel the attackers, who killed 12 people and wounded three dozen more.

"Our soldiers were there and they returned fire," he said.

With the slow-motion U.S. disengagement from Iraq scheduled for completion at the end of next year, U.S. commanders concede there is a sense of urgency in their training of Iraqi forces.

At the same time, they say they are confident the Iraqis can handle what the remaining insurgents can throw at them, with Americans in the background.

"This is their country," Mitchell said. "They are capable, they are willing and they are able to take the lead."

(Additional reporting by Muhanad Mohammed in Baghdad; editing by Andrew Dobbie)


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Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over, but US Troops Fight On

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Sep 24 13:53:14 2010, in response to The War In Iraq Is Officially Over, but US Troops Fight On, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 24 13:51:33 2010.

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Mission accomplished.

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Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over? (Allawi interview)

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 19 20:51:15 2013, in response to Re: The War In Iraq Is Officially Over? (Allawi interview), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 30 00:54:27 2010.

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