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Posted by Dave on Sun Feb 7 07:31:20 2010 New York, NY - Retired NYPD Say NYC Crime Stats Manipulated, FabricatedPublished on: February 6th, 2010 at 11:35 PM News Source: NY Times / Gothamist New York, NY - Days after a Brooklyn cop and a Queens politician accused the police of cooking its crime statistics, a survey of more than one hundred retired NYPD higher-ups showed that cops—who are under constant pressure to produce happy-looking stats—have routinely fabricated or manipulated their data, since the crime analysis system was put into place in 1995. And, the statistics they produce are the very same that Bloomberg quotes when he says the city is safe, and getting safer every year. “Those people in the CompStat era felt enormous pressure to downgrade index crime, which determines the crime rate, and at the same time they felt less pressure to maintain the integrity of the crime statistics,” said John A. Eterno, one of the researchers and a former NYPD captain. “As one person said, the system provides an incentive for pushing the envelope,” another researcher, Eli B. Silverman told the NY Times. Together with Eterno he's writing a book tentatively titled “Unveiling Compstat: The Naked Truth.” Researchers think that for one, there was a periodic practice, of underreporting the value of goods stolen, so that there would be fewer grand larcenies (thefts of over $1000) on the record. Other times, they believe that precinct commanders and aides went to crime scenes to convince victims not to file complaints, or to encourage them to file less serious complaints. Paul J. Browne, the chief police spokesman, said the study was flawed because of its anonymity, and because multiple respondents could be remembering the same incidents. He added that there have been two other, better studies analyzing crime stats. One, administered by NYU concluded that, “the city and department officials, and the public can be reasonably assured that the N.Y.P.D. data are accurate, complete and reliable.” Still, those surveyed were frank in their criticism of the system. “CompStat was a good idea in theory,” wrote one respondent. “However the process rules managerial decisions. We do not manage to serve people but to lower crime statistics any way we can because your career depends on it.” |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 7 07:41:48 2010, in response to Allegation that NYC crime stats manipulated, posted by Dave on Sun Feb 7 07:31:20 2010. Interesting, because most cops make their money on the OT that comes with arrests, which should make the number of arrests and crime rate go up. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 7 08:40:14 2010, in response to Allegation that NYC crime stats manipulated, posted by Dave on Sun Feb 7 07:31:20 2010. Bratton also brought Compstat to LA and the same allegation was made by the police chief that he replaced - that crimes were being under reported by lessening the offense. At the time I thought that it was sour grapes. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 7 08:45:10 2010, in response to Re: Allegation that NYC crime stats manipulated, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 7 07:41:48 2010. The idea is that they arrest and charge people the same, but under report on Compstat. I can't remember the specific allegation in LA, but it had something to do with Compstat categories being flexible and that you could enter more serious crimes in less serious categories. Even serious crimes like assault IIRC. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Feb 7 10:04:03 2010, in response to Re: Allegation that NYC crime stats manipulated, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 7 07:41:48 2010. You have to make the mayors happy. I guess NY is no different than every city surrounding it.Basically there's an easy way to tell. Are your neighbors moving? Is the news aways about the population loss? Then you got crime AND taxes. I think crime is always the final straw. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Feb 7 10:31:19 2010, in response to Re: Allegation that NYC crime stats manipulated, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Feb 7 10:04:03 2010. Well, crime isn't a problem in New York City; it sounds as though the source in the original post is blowing hot air. |
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Re: Allegation that NYC crime stats manipulated |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 7 10:53:31 2010, in response to Re: Allegation that NYC crime stats manipulated, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Feb 7 10:04:03 2010. Basically there's an easy way to tell. Are your neighbors moving? Is the news aways about the population loss?NYC has added one million people since 1990. That's adding the population of Hillsborough County or Dallas in less than 2 decades. |
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Posted by vfrt on Sun Feb 7 11:37:21 2010, in response to Re: Allegation that NYC crime stats manipulated, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 7 10:53:31 2010. Mostly immigrants from the third world. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 8 03:08:58 2010, in response to Re: Allegation that NYC crime stats manipulated, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Feb 7 10:04:03 2010. Basically there's an easy way to tell. Are your neighbors moving? Is the news aways about the population loss?Good point which explains exactly why NYC keeps gaining population while Florida keeps losing it. |
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Re: Allegation that NYC crime stats manipulated |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 8 03:15:25 2010, in response to Re: Allegation that NYC crime stats manipulated, posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 8 03:08:58 2010. Florida's population decline has much to do with Baby Boomers working longer. People die off and aren't replaced by new retirees.The only reason my family came here was because their employers wanted to have the workforce spread out, instead of in one or two cities in the event of another terrorist attack. |
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Here's A Florida Folly For You(Re: Allegation that NYC crime stats manipulated) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 8 03:19:12 2010, in response to Re: Allegation that NYC crime stats manipulated, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 7 08:45:10 2010. Story Here |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Feb 8 17:16:31 2010, in response to Re: Allegation that NYC crime stats manipulated, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 8 03:15:25 2010. Florida Lost population?I spend my whole day with people from NY and Boston to Michigan. I see no one moving to NY. Not to mention all of latin america. What's next, some nitwit is going to tell me Michigan is gaining population too? You want some good pizza, come to my neck of the woods. The dude sounds like the Sopranos. |
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Re: Here's A Florida Folly For You(Re: Allegation that NYC crime stats manipulated) |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Feb 8 17:18:03 2010, in response to Here's A Florida Folly For You(Re: Allegation that NYC crime stats manipulated), posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 8 03:19:12 2010. that's descration of a flag.Secondly, I've been told no one speaks english in that city, so where'd they find these two? The public school announcments are done in spanish. |
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