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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jan 12 15:35:37 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 12 15:28:54 2010. I have to say, as liberal and bleeding-heart as the "base" is, I just don't see them getting all worked up about immigration right now.That base loves immigration. A growing part of it too. If the libs push too hard on immigration and amnesty, they'll piss off moderates(but the bingbongs, selkirks, and RIPTA's of the world will remind us that is was W who proposed amnesty). True, but for that price, motivating their base, appealing to an exploding demographic, and dividing the GOP, it might still work on cost-benefit grounds. Put it this way: I'm sure that they are closely studying the issue, right now. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 12 15:42:38 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jan 12 15:35:37 2010. I don't think the base gets all worked up about immigration. The Selkirks, Will D's, RIPTA's, bingbongs, SMAZ', of the world will be more than happy to brand anyone a racist for not being pro-open borders, but I don't think they genuinely give a shit. If they did, they wouldn't live in such white areas.The big problem with the latino base right now is that they are not energized about the issue b/c Obama is in office, and they assume he'll just take care of things. This is why Piolin has called off his huge rallies. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 15:45:33 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 12 11:19:36 2010. Maybe Brown is related to Mary Jo |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jan 12 15:56:05 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 15:29:33 2010. It worked wonders last time for the Democrats, and that was when a Republican President was pushing for it. Stimulate the Hispanic demographic, the overall base, and cause rifts in the GOP. Classic issue baiting. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 12 16:02:54 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jan 12 15:56:05 2010. IIRC, whenever issues on immigration are put on a ballot, voters reject the liberal positions, so the liberal courts end up doing the dirty work.I think there's a greater consciousness among middle-class democrat whites that maybe, just maybe, the libs are not working in their best interest any longer. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 16:04:12 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 15:25:58 2010. Virginia, New Jersey, Nassau & Westchester seem pretty real to me. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 12 16:44:49 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 14:14:44 2010. "Yes they do. Lower taxes, less government intrusion, vigilance against terrorism. "I figured you pull that out the ass of the "elephant.." those are now outdated platforms with which the GOP knows they can't reply on that anymore..... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 12 17:24:16 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 15:16:54 2010. The whole thread has information. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 17:32:35 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jan 12 16:44:49 2010. I do not think so, America clearly has buyers remorse with Obama. NJ, Virginia, Nassau & Westchester are clear examples. Also the fact that Brown up in Mass is even in this position a week before the election further supports the point.I think American's want to pay lower taxes, they do not want the government telling them what doctor to see, what car to drive and what food to eat. Finally, the left is really angry with Obama since he is attemtpting to fight the war on terror. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 17:50:31 2010, in response to Brown's Leading, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 10:15:49 2010. It's only a notoriously accurate GOP hack pollster |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 17:56:54 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 12 17:24:16 2010. You can't see the information when your head is buried in the sand. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 12 17:59:29 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 12 13:46:34 2010. It's the original poster's allegations; Google was of no help. |
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Posted by vfrt on Tue Jan 12 18:10:04 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 15:30:26 2010. If Brown loses in a close race, he still loses, but if that happens in liberal Mass. would be a jolt to Obama and the dems. It would be like A Schumer-type losing a close senate race in Alabama. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 12 18:14:28 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by vfrt on Tue Jan 12 18:10:04 2010. Chances though are that Brown is being grossly overestimated, and the margin by which he is BEHIND is somewhere between where Rasmussen and the Boston Globe are reporting. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 18:15:41 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by vfrt on Tue Jan 12 18:10:04 2010. I think it's already a net loss for Democrats. Note how they are scrambling to defend what should be a shoo-in seat. In November, there will be 10 times as many seats to defend in the Senate alone. Even with their massive monetary advantage, they can't pour money into close races when they will need to pour money into the supposedly easy ones! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 18:17:13 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 12 18:14:28 2010. The Democrats actions today reveal that even they do not believe this. They are in full panic mode. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 12 18:18:01 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 18:17:13 2010. That sounds like intentional deception---like Pennsylvania last year (when it wasn't even close). |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 18:22:49 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 15:30:44 2010. Conservatism is entirely defined by looking back. It is based on doing things the same as previous generations, despite changing realities. They can be damned and unanswered, it's not how things were done.There is no forward thinking, no adaptation to changing circumstances and NO flexibility in ideas or the execution thereof in conservatism. It is a static at best, regressive philosophy that's time has past....for over a century. Think you need another look: |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 12 18:25:44 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 12 18:14:28 2010. LOL. Great rationalization! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 18:26:34 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 18:22:49 2010. Conservatism is entirely defined by looking back. It is based on doing things the same as previous generations, despite changing realities.Actually, you did a pretty good job of defining modern liberalism. Think you need another look: Spare me your Stewart-ized propaganda. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 18:36:03 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 18:26:34 2010. Liberalism is NOT static. Liberalism is NOT inflexible. Liberals do NOT impose their will on the people, nor require anyone to live within a designated theocratic regime. They support individual freedom and civil rights.Watch the funny TV. Get the point. You obviously need to understand what you are supported, not your errant idea of what it is. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 18:48:39 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 16:04:12 2010. VA and NJ governors flip and flop all the time. In VA they have term limits so it's frequent. They are trending Democratic overall as a state, because of new residents.Nassau has always trended republican, having brought us crooks like D'Amato for example. None of those races amount to a sea change in the electorate's mindset. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 18:53:48 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 18:15:41 2010. No election should be ever taken for granted unless the candidate is unopposed. In these times, with all the lies being amplified by 24 "news" channels, with all the delusional pundits cranking up the electorate, there is no such thing as an "easy" contest anymore. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 18:57:22 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 12 18:18:01 2010. The DNC just dumped half a million today into advertising in Boston and Springfield alone, Democratic bastions in an already blue state. They are panicking, clearly.http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/senate-republicans/internal-memo-to-top-dem-donors-warns-mass-senate-race-is-very-tight-urgent/ Democrats are desperately trying to get Sarah Palin involved in this race in an attempt to drive up the Democratic turnout: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Desperate-Dems-try-to-Palinize-Massachusetts-Senate-race-81198087.html |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 19:00:38 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 18:15:41 2010. Gee I wonder why BAM is not planning a vacaion with Mrs. BAM in Mass. to "Help Out"Maybe he received calls from Corzine. BAM really helpped brothas like Patterson & Thompson. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 19:04:25 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 18:17:13 2010. WOuldn't you be if you knew that BAM turns off his phone and special encrypted BlackBerry @ 3:00 AM? I want Hillary! The reason why she would have answer the phone @ 3:00 AM is because she was up deciding what color drapes to install in the CLINTON III white house. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 19:05:29 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 12 18:18:01 2010. Yup. Spector is a great man. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 19:11:35 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 18:22:49 2010. Then why do more Americans classify themselves as conservative? What happened in Vitginia, NJ, Westchester & Nassau? Why did the Dems run "Conservative" Candidates in Red GOP States?if what you claim is true, More AMericans would be liberals, BAM would have destroyed McCain (It was close despite the economy and President Bushes low approval rating), NJ & Virginia would not have happened, we would not be disgussing Massachusettes, the Dems would have put up liberal Dems in the red states and BAM would have brough everyone home already. INSTEAD HE SENT 30,000 MORE TROUPS, he kept President Bushes secretary of defense, he DID not close Gittmo and he IS now in favor of wire tapping. MMMMM |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 19:18:18 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 19:11:35 2010. Most Americans consider themselves centrist. They are afraid to say they are not conservatives. Then they go vote. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 19:18:43 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 18:36:03 2010. Why were they against Clarence Thomas, Alberto Gonzales, John Roberts,Sam Alito, Condi Rice, Michael Steel, etc. What about their civil rights and freedom? Why did the liberals PUSH through the failed stimulus passage without reading it one month after Obama came in? Why did they bribe others for their votes? Why was this done on CHRISTMAS EVE? Because they knew if it was not passed, they would not have been able to go home for Christmas. Oh Excuse me home for the "Holidays" |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 12 19:18:53 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 18:57:22 2010. Sounds like a bluff on the first story, and someone likely fell for an Onion-like piece on the second. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 12 19:19:36 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 19:05:29 2010. Actually, try Murtha and Kanjorski. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 19:20:06 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 18:36:03 2010. Why were they against Clarence Thomas, Alberto Gonzales, John Roberts,Sam Alito, Condi Rice, Michael Steel, etc. What about their civil rights and freedom? Why did the liberals PUSH through the failed stimulus passage without reading it one month after Obama came in? Why did they bribe others for their votes? Why was this done on CHRISTMAS EVE? Because they knew if it was not passed, they would not have been able to go home for Christmas. Oh Excuse me home for the "Holidays"How about FREEDOM FROM FOREIGN ENERGY? Why not allow off shore drilling? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 19:22:50 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 12 19:18:53 2010. 
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 19:23:53 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 18:48:39 2010. D'Amato was a great Senator and if he still was Senator the LIRR link would have been completed. Chuck E is a total disaster. Why did that loser sell out NY? How about playing hard Ball with Harry Reid about aid to NY? Do you have any idea how much this crazy health care bill is going to cost NY?D'Amato only lost because he exercised his free speach right and called Shumer a Putz (Which he obviously is). SHumer rode this remark all the way to Washington. Too Bad especially the way D'Amato helpped the jewish people throughout his career. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 19:24:26 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 18:48:39 2010. D'Amato was a great Senator and if he still was Senator the LIRR link would have been completed. Chuck E is a total disaster. Why did that loser sell out NY? How about playing hard Ball with Harry Reid about aid to NY? Do you have any idea how much this crazy health care bill is going to cost NY?D'Amato only lost because he exercised his free speach right and called Shumer a Putz (Which he obviously is). SHumer rode this remark all the way to Washington. Too Bad especially the way D'Amato helpped the jewish people throughout his career. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 19:25:41 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 18:53:48 2010. Just ask John OOOOOPS (Mr. Comptroller) Liu. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 12 19:28:10 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 19:20:06 2010. Clarence Thomas for his transgressions.Alberto Gonzales because he really wasn't ready for the task, and ended up proving Democrats correct in that (he didn't last all of Bush's second term). John Roberts...not so much; he passed 78-22. Sam Alito...not exactly sure. Condi Rice...no real opposition here. Michael Steele...he's showing why. In addition, he never held any elected position prior. As for offshore drilling, companies are sitting on licenses that they refuse to drill on. They need to drill on them first. Did you know that there are over 5,000 licenses on which companies have not drilled? Civil rights and freedom: As said before, this was a North-South thing (South being former Confederate states); Northern Democrats and Northern Republicans were united almost in unison for civil rights, directly and diametrically in opposition to Southern Democrats and Southern Republicans (and that was almost in unison too). I submit the roll call vote of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as evidence. As for passing HC before Christmas (or rather, send it to reconciliation), Reid and Pelosi had the choice of adjourning it until 2010; they and they alone chose not to do so. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 19:31:05 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 19:18:18 2010. I AM A RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVE. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jan 12 19:36:12 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 19:23:53 2010. D'Amato was a great Senator and if he still was Senator the LIRR link would have been completed.That must explain the reports of how so many people related to him are on the LIRR payroll. Too Bad especially the way D'Amato helpped the jewish people throughout his career. What does that mean? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jan 12 19:39:21 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 19:31:05 2010. I AM A RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVE.You are the first RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVE that I have ever heard of who is a "proud supporter" of Michael Bloomberg and who "loves" George W. Bush. Enthusiastic fans of those two are neither right wing nor conservative. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 19:41:20 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jan 12 19:36:12 2010. Didn't he help them with financial matters related to the Holacost? |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 19:49:55 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jan 12 19:39:21 2010. I stand by my comments about President Bush. I even contributed to his campaigns. THere were things I disagreed with, but overall I remain a top supporter.With regards to Bloomberg, I will concede that I meant I supported him because there really was no one else. This is NYC remember? A guy like Marty Golden could never be elected Mayor. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jan 12 19:51:45 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 19:41:20 2010. Didn't he help them with financial matters related to the Holacost?What's the relevance of that to your post here? D'Amato only lost because he exercised his free speach right and called Shumer a Putz (Which he obviously is). SHumer rode this remark all the way to Washington. Too Bad especially the way D'Amato helpped the jewish people throughout his career. Because it sounds a lot like you're calling New York's Jews ingrates. Hopefully that was just coincidental phrasing. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jan 12 20:41:35 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 12 14:21:33 2010. Meanwhile, the Dems are disappointing their base.Yawn. I want politicians who do what's best for the country, not what will excite their "base." |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Jan 12 21:02:05 2010, in response to Brown's Leading, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Jan 12 10:15:49 2010. Totally agreed, this is 'sending a message' about healthcare. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 12 21:37:01 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Jan 12 21:02:05 2010. The weird thing about that is Obamacare is actually more popular in MA than elsewhere in the country. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 12 22:14:33 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 12 18:53:48 2010. with all the delusional pundits cranking up the electorateYes, of course, anyone that doesn't agree with the leftist agenda is "delusional". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 12 22:16:42 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jan 12 19:39:21 2010. Michael Bloomberg is NOT a Republican. He ran on that ticket, but he is not a Republican. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 12 22:17:03 2010, in response to Re: Brown's Leading, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 12 22:14:33 2010. you're right about the left being obsessed with Palin. HuffPo.com has 13,500 comments about Palin joining Fox News. More comments than any other topic. |
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