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Hey Selkirk, can I borrow your tinfoil hat? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 20 15:27:45 2009 NY-23 voting machines infiltrated by virus:http://www.gouverneurtimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8144:virus-in-the-voting-machines-tainted-results-in-ny-23&catid=60:st-lawrence-news&Itemid=175 You were right, perhaps these machines are unreliable. You just got the party that benefits wrong. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Nov 20 16:45:08 2009, in response to Hey Selkirk, can I borrow your tinfoil hat?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 20 15:27:45 2009. .....they missed the rest of the story......the questioned ballots were recounted manually,by real manuals (read: Bipartisan PEOPLE) http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20091120/NEWS03/311209950 Hoffman lacks votes to catch Owens ABSENTEE BALLOTS: With just 3,072 left uncounted, Democrat's lead over Conservative insurmountable By JUDE SEYMOUR TIMES STAFF WRITER FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 20, 2009 The race for the 23rd Congressional District is finally, mathematically, over. Rep. William L. Owens could lose all 3,072 absentee ballots left to be counted and still win the race. Mr. Owens led the race by 3,176 votes after the 11 counties' boards of elections recanvassed the machine vote. The Plattsburgh Democrat has ceded just 71 votes of his lead back to Conservative Party candidate Douglas L. Hoffman during absentee ballot counting this week. The congressman may erase that deficit when seven counties continue tabulating absentee votes today. That's because St. Lawrence County, where Mr. Owens had his biggest election night margin, has just started counting. ADVERTISEMENT Fulton, Hamilton, Madison and Oneida counties — which Mr. Hoffman carried on election night — have reported complete results. Mr. Hoffman carried Oswego County by 1,748 votes, but has collected just four more votes than Mr. Owens among absentees so far. Oswego elections officials are 82 percent done with their absentee count. Republican Dierdre K. Scozzafava, who suspended her congressional campaign three days before Election Day, continues to collect significantly more absentee votes than she did at the ballot box. Ms. Scozzafava received 5.5 percent of the vote on Election Day, but has been picked by 19.1 percent of absentee voters so far. As Mr. Owens' victory became certain, the Gouverneur Times alleged Thursday that a computer virus had "tainted" results and "cast doubt on the accuracy of the counts retrieved from any of the machines." The article did not note that all voters in Clinton and Essex counties — as well as some voters in Oneida County — used non-computerized lever machines on Election Day. Anna E. Svizzero, operations director for the state elections board, told state commissioners last week that there were some voting machine failures on Election Day. "We certainly have more lever machine problems than (ballot marking device) or scanner issues," she said. The state is moving from lever machines to new handicapped-accessible voting systems to comply with the federal Help America Vote Act. The director said Dominion brand machines in Lewis, Seneca and Schuyler counties failed — but "it wasn't countywide. It was a handful of machines within those counties. It wasn't seen as a catastrophic failure." Lewis is in the 23rd Congressional District, but the other two counties are not. She said the primary cause of voting machine failure was a memory issue related to the way ballots were programmed to record multiple votes for one office. "If the test votes were cast in a certain way, the machine would freeze up and it would not permit you to move forward," she said. "So there were no votes calculated on the voting machines and those ballots were the ones that had to be hand counted." She said in reviewing the county board ballot styles, the vendor found 10 counties where a change had to be made prior to Election Day. Those changes were made, but other such ballots were missed due to human error. "So, in the field on Election Day, the problem did arise," she said. "The scanner did freeze up." Ms. Svizzero said in all instances where the scanner froze, the ballots were hand counted. "That's certainly one of the assets of the paper ballot — that there will never be a vote that's lost," she said. Ms. Svizzero said all other issues were related to "paper jams and inexperience with the system and that those issues will be overcome with more time." |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 20 16:48:02 2009, in response to Re: Hey Selkirk, can I borrow your tinfoil hat?, posted by bingbong on Fri Nov 20 16:45:08 2009. Like we all said, Hoffman's winning was highly unlikely.But don't change the subject. This isn't about absentee ballots. This is about faulty electronic voting machines, the kind Kevin railed on about in 2004. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Nov 20 16:48:16 2009, in response to Hey Selkirk, can I borrow your tinfoil hat?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 20 15:27:45 2009. In a GOP dominated district. that means Owens won by an even greater margin. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 20 16:50:27 2009, in response to Re: Hey Selkirk, can I borrow your tinfoil hat?, posted by SMAZ on Fri Nov 20 16:48:16 2009. You can't say that. You don't know whose (if any) votes were compromised. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Nov 20 16:50:47 2009, in response to Re: Hey Selkirk, can I borrow your tinfoil hat?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 20 16:48:02 2009. Right. And this time the failures didn't particularly help or hurt either candidate. Your point being? |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Nov 20 16:52:12 2009, in response to Re: Hey Selkirk, can I borrow your tinfoil hat?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 20 16:48:02 2009. You mean the faulty electronic voting machines the republicans insisted we buy?As to Hoffman, a RWNB from out of the district really didn't have a chance against a popular republican and a centrist Democrat. But don't tell Glennbeck. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Nov 20 16:54:36 2009, in response to Re: Hey Selkirk, can I borrow your tinfoil hat?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 20 16:50:27 2009. No votes were compromised. All the ballots handled by the questionable machines were manually recounted. The Watertown Daily Times article said that, that's why I went through the hassle of posting it here to begin with. Read it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 20 17:05:53 2009, in response to Re: Hey Selkirk, can I borrow your tinfoil hat?, posted by bingbong on Fri Nov 20 16:54:36 2009. No votes were compromised.That fact never stopped Kevin and his ilk from attacking the Diebold machines in Ohio 5 years ago. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 20 17:07:44 2009, in response to Hey Selkirk, can I borrow your tinfoil hat?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 20 15:27:45 2009. You *are* aware that Chavez owns the company, right? Ahhhhh ... that zany Chavez! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 20 17:09:25 2009, in response to Re: Hey Selkirk, can I borrow your tinfoil hat?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 20 16:48:02 2009. So was I *wrong?*Besides ... the hat's made out of phosphor bronze ... FAR less permeable than aluminum. Moo. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 20 17:11:07 2009, in response to Re: Hey Selkirk, can I borrow your tinfoil hat?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 20 17:05:53 2009. And guess what happened ... hit with a virus and tampered with. GOOD thing that New York at least insisted on paper ballots for the inspectors, no?But there's yer PROFF ... it was an Owens LANDSLIDE despite the shens. :) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 20 17:13:04 2009, in response to Re: Hey Selkirk, can I borrow your tinfoil hat?, posted by AlM on Fri Nov 20 16:50:47 2009. There's no way to know what any of the failures documented by electronic voting machines did to help or hinder anyone. Liberals became unhinged over the Ohio machine mess with an equal lack of evidence of substantive fraud as I did here. I'm not arguing these machines stole votes for Hoffman, I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the left, which argues according rules which change based on their self interests.Thanks for assisting me. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 20 17:24:27 2009, in response to Re: Hey Selkirk, can I borrow your tinfoil hat?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 20 17:11:07 2009. I see you believe that a lie told often enough becomes the truth. But it will take more than this to get that whopper into the "fact" column. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 20 17:51:32 2009, in response to Re: Hey Selkirk, can I borrow your tinfoil hat?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 20 17:24:27 2009. Proff is in the puddin' ...
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 20 18:19:47 2009, in response to Re: Hey Selkirk, can I borrow your tinfoil hat?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 20 17:13:04 2009. Ohio's machines didn't use paper ... they couldn't do a recount. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Nov 20 19:23:49 2009, in response to Re: Hey Selkirk, can I borrow your tinfoil hat?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 20 17:13:04 2009. you are a fanboy. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 20 19:30:33 2009, in response to Re: Hey Selkirk, can I borrow your tinfoil hat?, posted by Edwards! on Fri Nov 20 19:23:49 2009. 
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Nov 20 21:56:45 2009, in response to Hey Selkirk, can I borrow your tinfoil hat?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 20 15:27:45 2009. Hey, "Night of the Living Dead" is also about election day democrats voting. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 23 14:01:43 2009, in response to Re: Hey Selkirk, can I borrow your tinfoil hat?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 20 17:05:53 2009. That fact never stopped Kevin and his ilk from attacking the Diebold machines in Ohio 5 years ago. The machines in New York are optical scanners that read paper ballots. The Diebold machines are touchscreens and have no paper trail. Big difference. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Nov 23 16:46:18 2009, in response to Re: Hey Selkirk, can I borrow your tinfoil hat?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 23 14:01:43 2009. Of course. There's always some reason to defend an act if it advances your agenda, but not of those who do not disagree with you. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 23 16:51:20 2009, in response to Re: Hey Selkirk, can I borrow your tinfoil hat?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Nov 23 16:46:18 2009. Of course. There's always some reason to defend an act if it advances your agenda, but not of those who do not disagree with you.I would welcome a hand recount of the paper ballots. |
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