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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Nov 8 21:45:23 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Nov 8 20:03:03 2009. However, I'm correct and you are not. Why am I correct and are you wrong? Because of the definition of terrorism as set in Chapter 113, Title 18 of the United States Code. |
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Re: Lieberman to investigate terrorist attack(Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 21:46:44 2009, in response to Re: Lieberman to investigate terrorist attack(Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas), posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 8 21:27:18 2009. Heh. I'm a liberal because I don't march to the drum of a tea kettle? And what media celebs are my enemy? Do I need to buy a few more boxes of shells to hold them off? I keep hearing the same old "socialist" shit out of you guys, therefore there's gotta be an inspirational poster on somebody's bulletin board ...Where were you minutemen when the banks and corporations were selling America down the river? Now that there's nothing left, we're supposed to fight over the table scraps while the Chinese knock their croquet balls into the swimming pool at our expense? Sorry guy ... the BS rings hollow when nobody stopped the original ransacking ... and even cheered it on. And LIEBERMAN? Talk about cartoons. :( |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Nov 8 21:47:49 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Nov 8 20:42:31 2009. Not unless or until the motive shows it is terrorism in accordance with Title 18, Chapter 113 of the United States Code. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Nov 8 21:48:01 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 21:43:00 2009. was the report finished on the Pittsburgh health club shooter when you and everyone else figured out what happened? was the report finished on the abortion doc killer when you and everyone else had figured out what happened?how about the holocaust museum shooter? was it hard to figure out he was an anti-semite within a day of the shooting? why should it be any different when the shooter is a muslim? why? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Nov 8 21:48:34 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Nov 8 21:45:23 2009. LOL. I'm 100% right. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 21:49:06 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 8 21:28:22 2009. Fine ... notify the Social Security Administration of your choice, decide who should get your checks and keep working. That'll be a blow to socialism! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 21:57:14 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Nov 8 21:48:01 2009. Because at Fort Hood, soldiers going quackers is an almost everyday event. Most however came nowhere NEAR this ... |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Nov 8 21:59:17 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 21:57:14 2009. But this guy was a terrorist who happened to be a US soldier. He'd didn't go quackers. He launched a jihad attack. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Nov 8 22:01:15 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Nov 8 21:48:34 2009. Then show me how 2331-5.2(b) is satisfied. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 22:09:49 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Nov 8 21:59:17 2009. What does the report say? What does the LAW say about "terrorist?" Bottom line though, was it Jihad or was it Yeehah? No point in my even bothering the way so many of you guys are waving your "we report, we decide" crap ... it was terrible, the military needs to do a better job of finding their nuts and section 8'ing them and TREATING those borderline ones to protect the rest of us.A whacked out soldier can do a HELL of a lot more harm than some nutcake conspiracy. I want this investigated, I want it remediated, and I'll wait for the proper answers. |
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Re: Lieberman to investigate terrorist attack(Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 8 22:14:55 2009, in response to Re: Lieberman to investigate terrorist attack(Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 21:46:44 2009. what the fuck are you yammering about? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 8 22:21:17 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 21:49:06 2009. What the fuck are you babbling about now? |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Nov 8 22:23:44 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Nov 8 22:01:15 2009. That definition is subjective. Is killing 13 people mass destruction? What about if al Qaeda poisoned 1 million people? That wouldn't appear to satisfy the definition either. |
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Re: Lieberman to investigate terrorist attack(Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 22:34:14 2009, in response to Re: Lieberman to investigate terrorist attack(Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas), posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 8 22:14:55 2009. Heh. That's OK ... maybe Glenn Beck will put it on a whiteboard for ya. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 22:35:54 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 8 22:21:17 2009. Stronger than oak and twice as thick? Your retirement ... PURE socialist! You should keep working until you die ... it's the republican way! |
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Re: Lieberman to investigate terrorist attack(Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 8 22:36:13 2009, in response to Re: Lieberman to investigate terrorist attack(Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 22:34:14 2009. Exactly what I thought you'd say. Predictably unintelligent. You seem quite hung up on the guy. As for me - I rarely watch him. I guess he's thankful for you mindless lemmings who support him with your outrage. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 8 22:36:57 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 22:35:54 2009. Hey, if you weren't such a fuck-up you'd be getting one of them too. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 22:40:44 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 8 22:36:57 2009. Heh. I ain't old enough yet ... but lemme see ... socialist security, STATE pension, plus annuities. When I give it up, I'll be making as much as I am working. Not bad at all ... but at least I'm not trying to pretend I'm not proud of America's socialism ... I'm looking forward to it. And let's not be calling others "fuck-ups" ... imagine how phat your check would be if you could do "New Tech?" And if you REALLY want to live by your own words, why are you sucking the state teat? You should step aside for the benefit of the taxpayers who feed you. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 8 22:47:30 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 22:40:44 2009. Yeah well, I planned a bit better that that - oh well. You did the best you could. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 22:49:15 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 8 22:47:30 2009. Good for you ... but point being "socialism" is in the eye of the beholder. Just wanted to check to see if your vision was up to par. Your guys were trying to take THAT away too. :) |
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Re: Lieberman to investigate terrorist attack(Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 22:51:12 2009, in response to Re: Lieberman to investigate terrorist attack(Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas), posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 8 22:36:13 2009. Yep ... we're thinking of getting a room. Wanna do a threesome? :) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 8 22:51:53 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 22:49:15 2009. BUZZZZZZZZZZZ FALSE LIBERAL NAZI ARGUMENT: The benifits I got are benifits given to me because of my WORK - not some freebee entitlement. By the way - how's your vision. |
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Re: Lieberman to investigate terrorist attack(Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 8 22:53:03 2009, in response to Re: Lieberman to investigate terrorist attack(Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 22:51:12 2009. Hey look, you, Rush, Sean and Glenn are more than I can stand. Me, I'll wait for Britney. |
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Re: Lieberman to investigate terrorist attack(Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Nov 8 23:00:50 2009, in response to Re: Lieberman to investigate terrorist attack(Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 22:34:14 2009. You still can't answer why it's wrong to come to conclusions about the Muslim shooter at Ft. Hood, but it wasn't wrong to come to conclusions about the Pittsburgh, abortion doc, and Holocaust Museum shootings? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 23:07:04 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 8 22:51:53 2009. Obviously it's better than yours. Hint for ya ... your EMPLOYER paid more than you do into socialist security. Did you even KNOW that? Same for your health insurance. Did you know THAT? And since when do conservatives believe in BENEFITS? Do I need to get Luch up on your ass about your BENEFIT card? Heh. |
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Re: Lieberman to investigate terrorist attack(Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 23:07:45 2009, in response to Re: Lieberman to investigate terrorist attack(Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas), posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 8 22:53:03 2009. Ewwwwww. :) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Nov 8 23:09:07 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 23:07:04 2009. He works for his health benefits. Can you understand that? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 8 23:09:40 2009, in response to Re: Lieberman to investigate terrorist attack(Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas), posted by LuchAAA on Sun Nov 8 23:00:50 2009. The fact is that it was not a spur of the moment attack. It was planned. He gave away his personal property. He made it very clear that the source of his anger was political and religious. This was a terror attack based on political/religious beliefs. Whet the lemming left hopes to accomplish by denying this is beyond me. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 23:11:43 2009, in response to Re: Lieberman to investigate terrorist attack(Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas), posted by LuchAAA on Sun Nov 8 23:00:50 2009. Never said it was wrong, merely saying that I don't know WHY it happened yet, nor does tha Army ... you guys are the ones yelling "terrorist" when it hasn't been declared as such by those whose job it is to do so. What I'm saying is that I don't have PROFF. Do you? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 8 23:12:35 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 23:07:04 2009. Hey DOOFY, I work for my benifits. I will get no more in social security that any other citizen who is in my income bracket. Conservatives believe in benifits - not entitlements. If you want to support those who don't work, do it on your own. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Nov 8 23:12:47 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Nov 8 23:09:07 2009. He works for a government entity that wouldn't necessarily exist without government intervention and financial support. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Nov 8 23:13:22 2009, in response to Re: Lieberman to investigate terrorist attack(Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 23:11:43 2009. All evidence points to terrorist attack. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 23:13:36 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Nov 8 23:09:07 2009. So do I ... but all I got was a shitty United Health card that ain't good for shit ... |
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Re: Lieberman to investigate terrorist attack(Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 23:15:38 2009, in response to Re: Lieberman to investigate terrorist attack(Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas), posted by LuchAAA on Sun Nov 8 23:13:22 2009. What EVIDENCE? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 8 23:16:11 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by Easy on Sun Nov 8 23:12:47 2009. And what is your point? I still work for my pay check. I don't sit home, watching oprah, drinking colt 45 and waiting for my monthly foodstamp allotment. |
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More About Ft. Hood Terrorist(Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Nov 8 23:17:50 2009, in response to Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by AlM on Thu Nov 5 16:53:29 2009. Story Here |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Nov 8 23:18:54 2009, in response to Re: Lieberman to investigate terrorist attack(Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 23:15:38 2009. What EVIDENCE is there to suggest it wasn't a terrorist attack? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 23:22:15 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 8 23:12:35 2009. You're sucking the taxpayer teat for those "benefits" ... and no, "benefits" are a UNION thing, brought about by socialists. The taxpayer contributes better than 50% towards them. What about those starving children in China who work more than you do? Heh. My favorite line out of the teabaggers was "don't take away my medicare." :)Funny how one person's "earned income" is another person's "welfare" eh? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 23:23:16 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 8 23:16:11 2009. Workfare is good. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 8 23:24:45 2009, in response to Re: Lieberman to investigate terrorist attack(Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas), posted by LuchAAA on Sun Nov 8 23:18:54 2009. Ummmm ... there is no envidentiary requirements to prove a negative. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Nov 8 23:41:58 2009, in response to Re: Lieberman to investigate terrorist attack(Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas), posted by LuchAAA on Sun Nov 8 23:18:54 2009. The lack of evidence showing a religious or political goal being advanced (pending discovery of the motive). |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Nov 8 23:46:35 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by Easy on Sun Nov 8 22:23:44 2009. That's not the provision under dispute for those claiming terrorism; this is: Whether or not the act was intended:(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping. I don't see either of the three being the case. As such, it's not terrorism. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Nov 8 23:55:01 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Nov 8 23:46:35 2009. I said mass destruction and that is one of the provisions. It's a very subjective definition. It essentially limits terrorism to acts of groups and not individuals. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Nov 8 23:55:51 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by Easy on Sun Nov 8 23:55:01 2009. i just posted more info. the mosques he attended are the group. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 9 00:04:10 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by Easy on Sun Nov 8 23:55:01 2009. I don't see mass destruction here though. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Nov 9 00:13:26 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 9 00:04:10 2009. I know. That definition doesn't consider killing people to be terrorism. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Nov 9 00:14:00 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by Easy on Mon Nov 9 00:13:26 2009. it was clearly terrorism. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 9 00:14:15 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by Easy on Mon Nov 9 00:13:26 2009. It does (18 USC 2331) if certain conditions are met. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 9 00:14:54 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Nov 9 00:14:00 2009. Then show me how it satisfies the conditions set forth in 18 USC 2331 (which defines international and domestic terrorism). |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Nov 9 00:16:45 2009, in response to Re: Mass Murder at Fort Hood, Texas, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Nov 8 23:55:51 2009. That definition really doesn't fit most Muslim terrorists. Their intent is to wage jihad and that's what this guy did as well. |
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