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Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Nov 6 13:12:51 2009, in response to Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 6 12:58:40 2009.

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Yes it does, you moron.

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Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Nov 6 13:13:11 2009, in response to Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 6 13:09:27 2009.

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So what are you bitching about? You are the one wanting an 'NFL' like cap for the MLB.
Any team should spend whatever it takes to put the best team possible on the field.

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Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Nov 6 13:14:12 2009, in response to Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Nov 6 13:07:55 2009.

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And the Mets did no better than named floor of Macy's housewares at 34th Street.

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Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Nov 6 13:14:24 2009, in response to Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 6 13:07:47 2009.

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We've been telling you the Yankees have spent money and got nothing to show for it till now.
What 'truth hurts'? You're the one that's been spouting the lie about money buying championships.

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Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Nov 6 13:14:59 2009, in response to Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by busdude2 on Thu Nov 5 15:02:44 2009.

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No, you post lies like Mitch45.

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Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Nov 6 13:15:36 2009, in response to Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 6 13:07:47 2009.

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Truth hurts when you and busdick bitch and moan about the Yankees inflated payroll.

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Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Nov 6 13:16:06 2009, in response to Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 6 13:11:53 2009.

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And you are a communist in wanting an NFL like cap for baseball because you hate the Yankees.
What about your Mets that spent a lot of money this year and got nothing?

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Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Nov 6 13:16:42 2009, in response to Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Nov 6 13:15:36 2009.

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Yup.

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Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Nov 6 13:17:06 2009, in response to Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Nov 6 13:14:12 2009.

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Lol!

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Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Nov 6 13:20:25 2009, in response to Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 6 13:11:53 2009.

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You sound like an Obama-ite. Anything anyone says against him is tarred and feathered as a racist and a hater.

You just don't want to acknowledge the documented truth. The Yankees bought this one. Period.


Oh boy...

Rolls eyes...



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Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Nov 6 13:20:28 2009, in response to Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 6 13:07:47 2009.

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Even if baseball had a salary cap, it would still be beneficial for good players to consider the Yankees over other teams, due to the visibility of being seen in the NY market, on a high-profile team.

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Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Nov 6 13:21:33 2009, in response to Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 6 12:58:40 2009.

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No question about it, the Mets spend a lot too, and badly.

That's completely irrelevant, however.


Wow just wow...

Enjoy the offseaon ask Jose Reyes to learn to dance right..


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Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Nov 6 13:23:06 2009, in response to Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 6 13:04:15 2009.

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Again, I am not talking about those years. The Yankees' spending was not out of control then. No question about that. I am only talking about from 2001 on.

So why do you care??

Is it your money??

You are now foaming....


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Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Nov 6 13:24:52 2009, in response to Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 6 13:07:47 2009.

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Exactly.

Yankee fans don't want to hear about the money. Truth hurts.


What truth??





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Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Nov 6 13:27:07 2009, in response to Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 6 13:03:00 2009.

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You're a Yankee fan, let me ask you this: of which championship team in the 1996 and later era are you the most proud?

If it were me, I'd say the '98 team followed by the '96 team.


Nope the 1996 team its been 18 years since the last one in 78..



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Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Nov 6 13:27:45 2009, in response to Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Nov 6 11:36:16 2009.

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Boston fans blamed the curse of the Bambino for their 86 year WS title drought.

They're the ones who ditched him!

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Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Nov 6 13:28:11 2009, in response to Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 6 13:04:15 2009.

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I am only talking about from 2001 on.

that's because they created the YES Network around that time, generating tens of millions of dollars in revenue for the Yankees. Once the agents see this revenue stream coming in, that automatically makes everyone's salary go up. Do you think the agents are going to let the Yankees keep all that money?


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Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!

Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Nov 6 13:30:57 2009, in response to Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Nov 6 13:27:45 2009.

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I know, but the fans still bitched about how it's been nothing but success for the Yankees and none for Boston till 2004.

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Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Nov 6 13:33:36 2009, in response to Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by LuchAAA on Fri Nov 6 13:28:11 2009.

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SSshhh Luch the Mets JUST did the same thing with SNY....

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Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Nov 6 13:37:44 2009, in response to Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Railman718 on Fri Nov 6 13:33:36 2009.

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Yup. And the Boston Red Sox started doing it long ago.

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Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Nov 6 13:50:29 2009, in response to Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Railman718 on Fri Nov 6 13:33:36 2009.

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Thank God for YES, that's coverage of the post game events I want to see, that Espn or Fox would not cover...

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Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 6 14:28:22 2009, in response to Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Nov 6 13:50:29 2009.

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Even Sports Illustrated's Joe Posnanski agrees with me.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/joe_posnanski/11/05/yankees.payroll/index.html

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Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Nov 6 14:35:53 2009, in response to Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 6 14:28:22 2009.

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Even him???

You are in the minority.

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Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!

Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Nov 6 16:56:51 2009, in response to THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Nov 4 23:51:05 2009.

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Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 6 17:25:00 2009, in response to Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Nov 6 11:36:16 2009.

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I guess there were no other Boston jerseys cemented into the floor of the new Yankee Stadium..... I guess THAT backfired! :)

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Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 6 17:27:25 2009, in response to Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Nov 6 11:33:09 2009.

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I have a few friends that are Mets fans, and we rag on eachother about it, bit it's good hearted ragging.

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Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!

Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Nov 6 17:30:51 2009, in response to Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 6 17:25:00 2009.

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Heh, time for a new Boston curse to begin :)

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Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!

Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Nov 6 17:33:02 2009, in response to Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 6 17:27:25 2009.

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I can take a few good nature ragging, but this so far seems like seething.

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Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 6 17:53:55 2009, in response to Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 6 10:30:09 2009.

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If you're the Yankees, I guess it was an unsuccessful decade, yes.

Proof that the highest paid don't necessarily make a great team.

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Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 6 17:54:31 2009, in response to Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 6 13:07:47 2009.

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What truth? Everyone knows they are paid high.

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Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by SMAZ on Fri Nov 6 21:24:18 2009, in response to Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by docstox on Fri Nov 6 07:50:25 2009.

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Spending on a business, not government.

You must been elsewhere during the Reagan and Dubya years.

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Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by SMAZ on Fri Nov 6 21:31:05 2009, in response to Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by docstox on Fri Nov 6 07:02:36 2009.

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I share some of your interests.Do you know about "Military History" magazine?

Actually no. Unfortunetly my early childhood and teenage miltary education came from M.A.S.H., Hollywood movies and "Soldier of Fortune" magazines. I then joined the Army where I made no fortune but where the MASH example held true. The military was a lot more fun during the Cold War days.

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Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by SMAZ on Fri Nov 6 21:33:17 2009, in response to Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 6 07:49:37 2009.

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Why? It's hilarious.
I remember when it looked like Hillary and Rudy were going to face off in the 2000 Senate race and they ran a poll that showed that a great majority of Mets fans were gonna vote for Hillary while a simliar majority of Yankee fans were for Rudy.

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Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!

Posted by SMAZ on Fri Nov 6 21:44:25 2009, in response to Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 6 07:44:25 2009.

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I don't get it. There seems to be a lot more venom by Mets fans towards the Yankees,

It's easy for us to be gracious when we are the ones that win all the time.

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Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!

Posted by SMAZ on Fri Nov 6 21:48:37 2009, in response to Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 6 08:02:50 2009.

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You don't have the same kind of emnity between Jets and Giants fans as with Mets and Yankees. I think it has to do with history where the Mets are the natural heirs to the NY Baseball Giants and Brooklyn Dodger legacy and fanbase and the long history of discord that comes with it.
The Jets were the never the heirs of anybody.

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Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!

Posted by SMAZ on Fri Nov 6 21:52:32 2009, in response to Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Nov 6 11:33:09 2009.

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I can't speak for all fans, but I don't hate the Mets.

I don't know how old you are but it was a nightmare in the mid-late 80's when the Mets were good and the Yankees were doing nothing. I never want those times to ever come back again. It was the baseball version of the George W. Bush Era. Mets fans are the worst and deserve to suffer. ;->


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Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!

Posted by SMAZ on Fri Nov 6 21:55:35 2009, in response to Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Nov 6 11:29:20 2009.

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I rooted AGAINST Boston in 1986 and for the Cards and Rockies in 2004 and 2007. I wanted the curse to continue in 1986. The Mets had already won in 1969 so another title didn't make a difference even if it meant hearing their obnoxiosness up front.

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Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 6 21:56:16 2009, in response to Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!, posted by SMAZ on Fri Nov 6 21:48:37 2009.

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What about Brooklyn Dodgers/New York Yanks/Bulldogs fans?

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Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by SMAZ on Fri Nov 6 22:34:07 2009, in response to Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 6 12:00:04 2009.

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Johnson and Sheffield did well with the Yankees.

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Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by SMAZ on Fri Nov 6 22:35:37 2009, in response to Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Nov 6 13:16:06 2009.

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And you are a communist in wanting an NFL like cap for baseball because you hate the Yankees.

Apparently. I guess he wants the Mets to have a Pirates-sized player budget too.


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Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by SMAZ on Fri Nov 6 22:39:45 2009, in response to Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 6 12:16:15 2009.

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Wrong! Jeter, Melky, Hughes, Rivera, Posada, Joba, Pettite, Cano and others are homegrown. That's more then most other teams.

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Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by SMAZ on Fri Nov 6 22:53:14 2009, in response to Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Nov 6 13:15:36 2009.

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busdick bitch

That's funny.

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Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!

Posted by SMAZ on Fri Nov 6 23:49:17 2009, in response to Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Nov 6 16:56:51 2009.

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I like.
I bet they can easily beat the Mets too.

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Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!

Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Nov 7 00:02:25 2009, in response to Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!, posted by SMAZ on Fri Nov 6 21:52:32 2009.

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early 20s, too young to remember the 80s.

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Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!

Posted by SMAZ on Sat Nov 7 00:04:06 2009, in response to Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 6 21:56:16 2009.

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too short lived. Pro football wasn't that big in the 40's anyway.

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Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!

Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Nov 7 00:04:31 2009, in response to Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!, posted by SMAZ on Fri Nov 6 21:55:35 2009.

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lol. yeah, it would've been fun if the curse lasted longer or if it wasn't the Yankees that Boston beat to get into the WS.
There was an HBO special about the Red Sox and they changed it after the 2004 season. I used to enjoy it because it ended on a sour note of the 2003 ALCS, but now I hated it because of the new 'happier' ending.

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Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Nov 7 00:05:25 2009, in response to Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by SMAZ on Fri Nov 6 22:35:37 2009.

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heh.

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Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Nov 7 00:05:51 2009, in response to Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by SMAZ on Fri Nov 6 22:39:45 2009.

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Truth!

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Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by SMAZ on Sat Nov 7 00:31:06 2009, in response to Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Nov 7 00:05:51 2009.

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That's one of the things I like about these Yanks. They remind me of the 1996 team except that team didn't have homegrown veterans.

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Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!)

Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Nov 7 00:37:36 2009, in response to Re: $1,578,299,197 (Re: How Can You Be So Proud? (Re: THE YANKEES ARE CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL!), posted by SMAZ on Sat Nov 7 00:31:06 2009.

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The 96 team was very special. I know the 98 team was like 'perfect', but wow, I had no idea they had gone without a WS title for 18 years at that point.

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