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Germany to Ban Biker Gangs?

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 2 03:17:27 2009

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Some recent flare-ups of violence between the Hells Angels and Bandidos in towns in North Rhine-Westphalia have prompted lawmakers to take that step.

Funny that they won't ban the NDP, though.

The Local

Crime experts suggest ban on biker gangs

Published: 2 Nov 09 08:09 CET

The BDK criminal investigative alliance encouraged a ban of biker gangs in Germany on Monday after a weekend of violence between the Hells Angels and Bandidos, daily Rheinische Post reported.

“The incidences in Duisburg, Solingen and Essen specifically involve conflicts between organised crime groups that have the highest potential for violence,” acting leader of the BDK Wilfried Albishausen told the paper. “In such cases the state needs to show its colors, particularly if one affects one or another follower with the ban.”

Albishausen advocated a change to laws in the state of North Rhine-Westphalia, where much of the violence between the two gangs has taken place. A state parliamentary committee is set to address the issue this month.

“It must be possible for the police to conduct surveillance of telephone and data exchange when the worst crimes threaten to occur with a court ruling and not only when a crime has already occurred,” he told the paper.

Inside law enforcement sources told the paper that police plan to create a statewide special criminal commission based in Münster to handle increasing criminal activity between the two gangs.

Over the weekend, up to 100 police officers were called to a pub in Duisburg to break up a fight between the rival biker gangs. Meanwhile, a grenade attack followed several hours later.

Around 50 Hells Angels armed with sticks stormed a red-light district bar called The Fat Mexican, which is frequented by rival biker gang the Bandidos, police reported.

The bar was smashed to pieces during the ensuing brawl and several people were injured before police managed to herd everyone outside and separate the two gangs.

News agency AP reported that several hours later someone lobbed a hand grenade through the window of the Hells Angels’ clubhouse in Solingen, where about 20 people were inside.

The grenade did not go off, and police later detonated the device in a controlled explosion.

Later shots were fired at a Hells Angels clubhouse in Solingen, but no one was injured, police said.

Fears of an outbreak of violence between the two biker gangs were sparked in October when a 32-year-old man was shot dead outside The Fat Mexican — which is on the ground floor of the Bandidos’ club building. The dead man was a Bandido, while the suspected killer is a man with connections to the Hells Angels.


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Re: Germany to Ban Biker Gangs?

Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Nov 3 08:41:05 2009, in response to Germany to Ban Biker Gangs?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 2 03:17:27 2009.

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You mean these guys?



I've seen them driving around Poland. I guess they were causing a bit too much trouble XD

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Re: Germany to Ban Biker Gangs?

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Nov 3 08:57:59 2009, in response to Germany to Ban Biker Gangs?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 2 03:17:27 2009.

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Although I couldn't care less what goes on in Germany I am wondering what is their definition of "biker gangs". There are thousands of legit motorcycle clubs that aren't so-called "1%" or outlaw clubs. I belong to the Blue Knights which is a motorcycle club made up of cops & retired cops and is known to be a family oriented club. They have chapters in Germany. As I own two Harleys I also belong to the Harley Owners Group which also has chapters in Germany. Will they be banned also? There are clubs for veterans, religious, ethnic groups, AA members, etc. Many do very good fund raising for worthy causes. Not every club is like the Hell's Angels. (I doubt very much you'd find this club in Germany)

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Re: Germany to Ban Biker Gangs?

Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Nov 3 10:30:00 2009, in response to Germany to Ban Biker Gangs?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 2 03:17:27 2009.

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Doesn't sound much different from what has happened in the USA; here, the first step was already taken in seizing their trademarks and trade dresses.

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Re: Germany to Ban Biker Gangs?

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Nov 3 17:07:00 2009, in response to Germany to Ban Biker Gangs?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 2 03:17:27 2009.

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another grenade? There is some mini wars to the countries to the upper right of Germany between the bikers and the muzzies. I guess someones fed up that you can't even deliver meals on wheels w/o being attacked.

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German Hells Angels vs. Kurds in "Mongols" gang (Bremen)

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 21 15:42:50 2010, in response to Germany to Ban Biker Gangs?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 2 03:17:27 2009.

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Looks like the biker wars over there have turned a new chapter in heating up.

Der Spiegel

10/20/2010
Kurds vs. Hells Angels

Biker War Looms in Bremen

By Jörg Diehl and Michael Fröhlingsdorf

Members of a notorious Kurdish clan in Bremen have founded a new chapter of the Mongols motorcycle club and are challenging the Hells Angels in the city. The police fear a new biker war may be just around the corner.

The last movement in the life of novice motorcyclist Mustafa B. was a twist of his right hand. His red Honda Fireblade, which had a 178-horsepower engine and a top speed of 290 km/h (180 mph), accelerated with a roar and shot past the cars. Seconds later, the biker smashed into a tree. He died at the scene of the accident, a four-lane street in the northwestern German city of Bremen. A statement later issued by the police blandly stated that "no third party was to blame."

Nevertheless, investigators took a particularly close look at the victim's motorbike to check for possible sabotage. After all, 38-year-old Mustafa B., who was Kurdish, was considered a leading light in Bremen's organized crime circles. The police therefore had good reasons to suspect that some people might have had a vested interest in his demise.

Mustafa B. had challenged the Hells Angels, the legendary bikers' club. Members of the Hells Angels have long been believed to play an important role in the city's underworld. In August, Mustafa B. and almost two dozen members of his clan had founded a local chapter of the Mongols, an international motorcycle club. It was the first time in Germany that members of a Muslim immigrant clan which is believed to be involved in organized crime have been active in this area.

Investigators in Bremen now fear the move will herald the outbreak of another bloody biker war that could quickly spread to other cities. Another, no less comforting, possibility is that the Hells Angels and the Kurdish gang will join forces. "We're keeping an eye on both developments with great concern," says Bremen police detective Harald Habethal.

Bikers Without Motorbikes

One thing is certain: The immigrants are not interested in emulating an "Easy Rider"-type lifestyle. According to investigators, the new bikers have neither motorbikes nor the requisite motorcycle license. Whenever they cruise through Bremen's downtown area, they drive powerful cars. Mustafa B. was the only member of the clan who had actually gotten his license, two weeks before his untimely death. "We suspect that the members of ethnic clans are interested in developing new structures and trading channels," says Andreas Weber, the head of Bremen's State Office of Criminal Investigation. The Mongols are believed to be involved in drug dealing in the US and southern Europe. The Bremen Mongols could therefore have much to gain from cooperation with gangs elsewhere.

The Bremen police believe that the Kurdish clan already controls the city's drugs trade. The clan is part of a group of Mhallamiye Kurds who emigrated to Germany from Lebanon in the 1980s. They have made little effort to integrate into German society, and primarily live off welfare and shady businesses like drug dealing and prostitution. Most of them live in Bremen, Berlin and the western city of Essen. Police estimate that the Bremen clan has at least 2,600 members. They are already investigating about half of them. A total of 66 family members are considered to be particularly hardened criminals.

Most of the members of the Bremen Mongols chapter also have extensive police records. Ibrahim M., the man investigators believe succeeded Mustafa B. as the head of the club, has been associated with no fewer than 147 crimes, ranging from grievous bodily harm to illegal possession of a weapon.

Peace Talks

It certainly seems to be an ideal time to expand their operations. The Bremen chapter of the Hells Angels is currently relatively weak. Although they were able to drive the rival Bandidos gang out of the city four years ago, many of their members are currently on probation, and the Kurds are seen as particularly ruthless.

So it's hardly surprising that peace talks are apparently already underway. The head of the Hells Angels in Hanover, Frank Hanebuth, is said to have offered the Mongols €250,000 to join him, at least according to the leader of the Mongols in Germany, Bernhard Denzinger, who runs a club in the southwestern state of Baden-Württemberg. The Kurds apparently rejected Hanebuth's overtures, however.

Hanebuth denied having made any such offer. "We never offered anyone money," he said. "We absolutely don't need to do that."

A similar tactic by the Hells Angels proved successful in Berlin. At the start of 2010, they were able to convince a particularly brutal group of Bandidos led by a man identified as Kadir P. to leave the club. The Hells Angels incorporated the defectors into their club. Now they call themselves the Hells Angels Nomads Turkiye.

Overdoing Things

The police in Bremen want to take a tough stance against the bikers. Weber says criminals will be prosecuted quicker and the clubs may possibly be banned. Mongols chief Bernhard Denzinger also says he won't allow criminal elements to endanger his club, although he admits that some of the new members "overdid things a bit" in the past. He is also demanding that all his members get a motorcycle license by early May at the latest.

As such, it may not be the police who put an end to the club's activities, but the department of transportation.

Translated from the German by Jan Liebelt


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Re: German Hells Angels vs. Kurds in ''Mongols'' gang (Bremen)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 21 15:52:11 2010, in response to German Hells Angels vs. Kurds in "Mongols" gang (Bremen), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 21 15:42:50 2010.

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See what happens when they take away the bier bikes? :)

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Re: Germany to Ban Biker Gangs?

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Oct 21 16:30:04 2010, in response to Germany to Ban Biker Gangs?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 2 03:17:27 2009.

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I saw an documentry about this biker gang (Hells Angels) here in the U.S on the History Channel a while back. IIRC it was part of the gangland series.

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Re: German Hells Angels vs. Kurds in ''Mongols'' gang (Bremen)

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Oct 21 16:40:11 2010, in response to German Hells Angels vs. Kurds in "Mongols" gang (Bremen), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 21 15:42:50 2010.

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"According to investigators, the new bikers have neither motorbikes nor the requisite motorcycle license"

At least the Gazans actually buy the bikes, and Hamas gets concerned because they're getting killed on them and not doing "work accidents while preparing for heroic actions".

I was wondering about if this was still going on yesterday, and here you are posting a story.

I'd do my thing where I say they wanted this instead of the jews, but I'd be lying. Muslims immigrate to places with large jewish populations so it would've happened anyway.

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Re: German Hells Angels vs. Kurds in ''Mongols'' gang (Bremen)

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Oct 21 16:40:31 2010, in response to Re: German Hells Angels vs. Kurds in ''Mongols'' gang (Bremen), posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Oct 21 16:40:11 2010.

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crap, i forgot the pic.

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I'm slipping.

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Re: Germany to Ban Trollog Gangs?

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Oct 22 04:36:25 2010, in response to Germany to Ban Biker Gangs?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 2 03:17:27 2009.

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heh

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Re: Germany to Ban Biker Gangs?

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Oct 22 04:37:18 2010, in response to Re: Germany to Ban Biker Gangs?, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Nov 3 08:41:05 2009.

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Looks like the Joisey area.

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Re: German Hells Angels vs. Kurds in ''Mongols'' gang (Bremen)

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Oct 22 04:38:41 2010, in response to Re: German Hells Angels vs. Kurds in ''Mongols'' gang (Bremen), posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Oct 21 16:40:31 2010.

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You are slipping. You slipped, many moons ago. LOL

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Re: Germany to Ban Trollog Gangs?

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Oct 22 04:39:14 2010, in response to Re: Germany to Ban Biker Gangs?, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Nov 3 17:07:00 2009.

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boom

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Re: Germany to Ban Trollog Gangs?

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Oct 22 04:40:05 2010, in response to Re: Germany to Ban Biker Gangs?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Nov 3 08:57:59 2009.

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Jeff, don't encourage trollog

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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 22 10:27:21 2010, in response to Re: Germany to Ban Trollog Gangs?, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Oct 22 04:40:05 2010.

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yawn. stop being a stalker.

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