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Siena's final NY-23 poll

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 2 23:07:23 2009

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Siena College (most accurate pollster) has released their polling results for tomorrow's NY-23 race:

Hoffman (C) 41%
Owens (D) 36%
Undecided 18%

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Re: Siena's final NY-23 poll

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Nov 2 23:13:35 2009, in response to Siena's final NY-23 poll, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 2 23:07:23 2009.

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Funny how Rove endorsed Scozzafava, only for her to drop out and endorse the Democrat.

I never knew you thought so highly of Siena polls. I thought they were a little wacky last year(can you believe it's been a year already since the presidential election, those were some fun threads?).

Who do you think will win NJ?

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Re: Siena's final NY-23 poll

Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 2 23:20:38 2009, in response to Siena's final NY-23 poll, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 2 23:07:23 2009.

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The shock is that Owens is anywhere above 20 percent.

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Re: Siena's final NY-23 poll

Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 2 23:20:41 2009, in response to Siena's final NY-23 poll, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 2 23:07:23 2009.

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The shock is that Owens is anywhere above 20 percent.

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Re: Siena's final NY-23 poll

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 2 23:37:36 2009, in response to Re: Siena's final NY-23 poll, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Nov 2 23:13:35 2009.

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Both Marist and Siena colleges have excellent political science courses and well-trained students who conduct the polls. And they're fastidious about both their research before conducting, and their questioning during. They collect a list of people who actually voted the previous year, and ask questions as follows:

"1. Are you planning to vote?"
"2. Who are you planning to vote for?"
The end.

If you answer no to 1, thank you very much. You must name a candidate for number 2. If you don't know, then you're "undecided" IF you're planning to vote. Doesn't get any more basic than that.

They DON'T ask questions like "Would you STILL vote for X if you knew he had a child out of wedlock?" or "Would you STILL vote for X if you knew they had a socialist agenda?" or include people who haven't voted for years under the column for the candidate who is paying your bills. And although most pollsters won't push poll to that extreme a degree, leading questions don't get you an honest answer.

As for New Jersey, they'll still be recounting next week. :)

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Re: Siena's final NY-23 poll

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 2 23:38:49 2009, in response to Re: Siena's final NY-23 poll, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 2 23:20:38 2009.

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It's the 18 percent that amuses me. :)

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Re: Siena's final NY-23 poll

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Nov 2 23:39:56 2009, in response to Re: Siena's final NY-23 poll, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 2 23:37:36 2009.

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As for New Jersey, they'll still be recounting next week. :)

If that's the case, the Democrat always wins.


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Re: Siena's final NY-23 poll

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 2 23:40:59 2009, in response to Re: Siena's final NY-23 poll, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Nov 2 23:39:56 2009.

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Maybe it'll be the foreigner ... when you have two Wall Streeters slugging it out, who gets the benefit card? :)

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Re: Siena's final NY-23 poll

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Nov 2 23:46:48 2009, in response to Re: Siena's final NY-23 poll, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 2 23:40:59 2009.

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who gets the benefit card? :)

not sure. but the americans pay for it, while SMAZ, RIPTA, AlM, John L., Will D., Kew Gardens Teleport, Deaks, and Easy make fun of all the Wal-Mart shoppers who pay taxes.


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Re: Siena's final NY-23 poll

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 2 23:50:46 2009, in response to Re: Siena's final NY-23 poll, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Nov 2 23:46:48 2009.

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More and more Wal-Mart shoppers *aren't* paying taxes anymore because they put themselves out of a job. :(

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Re: Siena's final NY-23 poll

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Nov 3 11:31:02 2009, in response to Re: Siena's final NY-23 poll, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 2 23:20:38 2009.

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He's never had more than 38-39% of the vote. The volatility has between Scozzafava and Hoffman. And Scozzafava's name is still on the ballot.

Hoffman will win. The conservatives just have too many advantages in that district. The only thing that gave hope to Owens was the fighting between the GOP party elite and their base voters, and that's now over.

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Re: Siena's final NY-23 poll

Posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 3 17:31:54 2009, in response to Siena's final NY-23 poll, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 2 23:07:23 2009.

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Since 1982 in that district, no Democrat has ever gotten above 38%. A Hoffman will mean nothing as to Obama - it will only help lead to the fragmentation of the GOP.

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Re: Siena's final NY-23 poll

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 3 17:39:19 2009, in response to Re: Siena's final NY-23 poll, posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 3 17:31:54 2009.

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Word so far is that turnout is less than expected. Whatever that means. :)

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