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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Oct 31 13:18:39 2009 Personal note: I have no problem with truly moderate Republicans. But they must distinguish themselves in some way from the liberal Democratic party platform, or there is simply no point in having a two party system. The Republican party cannot simply assume it's base will line up behind anyone with an "-R" after their name, especially this particular Republican, who is a genuine RINO because her positions are universally in accord with the DNC platform. Universally.http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/31/republican-scozzafava-suspends-new-york-congressional-campaign/ Republican state Assemblywoman Dierdre Scozzafava has suspended her campaign for upstate New York's 23rd Congressional District seat, giving a possible boost to Conservative Party nominee Doug Hoffman against Democrat Bill Owens, Fox News has confirmed. The move comes on the heels of a new poll that showed Scozzafava had fallen behind her two competitors in a close race. The special election is Tuesday, and political analysts believe upstate New York could be a preview of congressional races nationwide in 2010 and 2012 as Republican leaders struggle to rebuild, redefine and regain control of Washington. The Siena College poll has Owens picking up 36 percent of the vote, while Hoffman has 35 percent. Scozzafava has 20 percent, with nine percent of voters undecided. It's a turnaround from the first Siena poll on the race in September, which had Scozzafava leading, followed by Owens and Hoffman. Scozzafava's team pulled the plug on the campaign after viewing the Siena poll, sources told Fox News, adding that there was no pressure from the National Republican Congressional Committee or the Republican National Committee. Ken Spain, a spokesman for the NRCC, said Scozzafava will now release her supporters to vote for Hoffman. That endorsement will set in motion phone banks, voter e-mails and other NRCC ground operations for Hoffman, GOP sources told Fox News, adding that the NRCC may also provide money for TV and radio ads if any slots are available and the campaign needs them. House Minority Leader John Boehner, Minority Whip Eric Cantor of Virginia and NRCC Chairman Pete Sessions announced their endorsement for Hoffman shortly after Scozzafava dropped out of the race. "He is the only active candidate in the race who supports lower taxes, fiscal responsibility and opposes Nancy Pelosi's agenda of government-run healthcare, more government and less jobs," they said. "We look forward to welcoming Doug Hoffman into the House Republican Conference as we work together for the good of our nation," they added. Scozzafava, in a letter to supporters published by the Watertown Daily Times, attributed her decision to her poor standing in the polls and a lack of money. "In recent days, polls have indicated that my chances of winning this election are not as strong as we would like them to be," she wrote. "The reality that I've come to accept is that in today's political arena, you must be able to back up your message with money -- and as I've been outspent on both sides, I've been unable to effectively address many of the charges that have been made about my record," she said. Scozzafava didn't endorse either of the remaining candidates, opting instead to allow her supporters make their own choice. "It is my hope that with my actions today, my party will emerge stronger and our district and our nation can take an important step towards restoring the enduring strength and economic prosperity that has defined us for generations," she said. RNC Chairman Michael Steele said in a written statement that he "respects" Scozzafava's decision that will allow the RNC to endorse and support Hoffman. "This selfless act of releasing her supporters provides voters with the opportunity to unite around a candidate who shares Republican principles and will serve the interests of his constituents in Congress by standing in opposition to the liberal policies of President Obama and Speaker Pelosi," he said. In a written statement, Owens praised Scozzafava for her record and commitment to her principles before taking aim at Hoffman. "Voters have a clear choice on Tuesday: they can elect to go back to the George Bush economic agenda, or they can vote to move forward," he said. "While Doug Hoffman is solely committed to continuing tax cuts for the wealthy which will add $500 billion to the deficit, protecting tax breaks for companies who ship jobs overseas, and privatizing Social Security, I will fight to turn the page on that agenda." The district has been a Republican stronghold since the Civil War. Republican John McHugh held the seat for years until President Obama chose him in June to serve as Army secretary. Scozzafava was the pick of local party leaders and prominent GOP conservative Newt Gingrich to replace McHugh. But her support of abortion rights and gay rights had put her on the defensive. Meanwhile Hoffman, a wealthy accountant, has been gaining support from big Republican backers, including former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty and actor and former Sen. Fred Thompson. "He's not a career politician," Thompson said in an ad for Hoffman. "Doug's like us. A concerned neighbor who's just had enough." "I feel that the Republican nominee doesn't reflect the Republican ideals and values," Hoffman said. "As a lifelong conservative -- Ronald Reagan Republican -- I've always been taught that less government and less taxes and less spending and protecting our personal freedoms and helping free enterprise survive and flourish -- that's what the Republican Party stood for." But some Republicans had accused Hoffman of being a spoiler who could steal enough votes from Scozzafava to allow the first Democrat in generations to win the region. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Oct 31 16:08:58 2009, in response to Score one for the tea partiers, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Oct 31 13:18:39 2009. The Democrats once again thank the Teabaggers. Another pickup of a GOP district coming to a House of Representatives near you. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 31 16:36:45 2009, in response to Score one for the tea partiers, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Oct 31 13:18:39 2009. This is gonna be interesting. NY-23 is such a *heavily* republican district, that it should have been the democrat in last place with 17%. And while the district would likely have gone for the conservative, there's a factor that trumps it, namely "interference by outsiders." That's worse than being librul in that district. Should be an interesting election, and with just two left standing, I believe that in the end the voters will reject the interference of the national party in their local affairs. We shall see. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Oct 31 17:50:44 2009, in response to Re: Score one for the tea partiers, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 31 16:36:45 2009. Before the election went viral, Scozzafava had about a 20 point lead in the polls. This isn't about Democrat or Republican, it's about the schism between the GOP base and the GOP leadership. Wise people who knew backing Hoffman could very well lead to the Democrat winning this election did so anyway. They saw no advantage to having a Republican who was likely to vote with the Democrats on every single issue. This goes to my previous postings about the Republican party in NY State being totally irrelevant. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 31 18:14:44 2009, in response to Re: Score one for the tea partiers, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Oct 31 17:50:44 2009. I'll agree with your last sentence, and the outcome of this race should be very interesting. The 23rd district is very much like the deep south, and has perhaps the highest proportion nationwide of people whose only way out was through the military. It's a HIGHLY conservative area also, more so than anywhere else in the state. Hoffman *should* get about 65-70% of the vote. Let's see how it comes down. :)If anyplace in the northeast is a referendum on the party amongst their own voters, this will be the one. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 31 18:50:20 2009, in response to Re: Score one for the tea partiers, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Oct 31 17:50:44 2009. Just to add another thought ... there is now NO republican candidate in that district. The CONSERVATIVE party owns Hoffman, and based on tonight's local news, the CONSERVATIVE party has told the GOP to sit down, shaddap and go away. So what we have now is another episode of republicans eating their young. Gotta love a political party that pulls the pin on a grenade and then swallows it. Heh. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Oct 31 19:40:47 2009, in response to Re: Score one for the tea partiers, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 31 18:50:20 2009. In Baltimore, the last Republican in the City Council lost his seat in the 1943 city elections. 1943, back when Republicans actually talked with Democrats.No GOP candidate for a City Council seat has ever won since 1943 - that's 66 years. Gotta be some kind of record. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 31 19:53:43 2009, in response to Re: Score one for the tea partiers, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Oct 31 19:40:47 2009. I think you guys might want to organize a GOP haunted house for our New York young'uns. :) |
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Posted by Parkchester (East 177th St) on Sat Oct 31 22:04:17 2009, in response to Re: Score one for the tea partiers, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 31 18:50:20 2009. The GOP nationally will do whatever it takes at this point to keep itself afloat, even if it means taking someone from a party other than theirs and counting them among their own. That's exactly what the NRCC and Republicans in Congress are intending to do if Hoffman wins NY-23, Conservative Party wishes be damned. Although, if something else happens on Tuesday... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 31 22:17:48 2009, in response to Re: Score one for the tea partiers, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Oct 31 19:40:47 2009. Thanks for the herring. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 31 22:39:52 2009, in response to Re: Score one for the tea partiers, posted by Parkchester (East 177th St) on Sat Oct 31 22:04:17 2009. Should be interesting indeed. Siena plans to do another poll over the weekend to see what might change, and rumor is Marist is planning to also.What's also interesting is that NY-23 is also a rather heavy absentee ballot area with many "seasonal" voters. This, along with the rest of the drama, is about the only reason I give a rat's ass. :) |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Oct 31 22:50:25 2009, in response to Re: Score one for the tea partiers, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 31 22:17:48 2009. It's not a red herring, it's 100% truth, or are you taking lessons from Terrapin Station? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Oct 31 23:47:00 2009, in response to Re: Score one for the tea partiers, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Oct 31 19:40:47 2009. NY-23 has Baltimore beat. No Republican has lost that district in 120 years. |
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Frank Rich gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 31 23:47:11 2009, in response to Score one for the tea partiers, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Oct 31 13:18:39 2009. Excellent analysis of what is about to come down in NY-23. Heard on the news earlier that there hasn't been a democrat elected in that district in OVER 100 years!The G.O.P. Stalinists Invade Upstate New York By FRANK RICH BARACK OBAMA’S most devilish political move since the 2008 campaign was to appoint a Republican congressman from upstate New York as secretary of the Army. This week’s election to fill that vacant seat has set off nothing less than a riotous and bloody national G.O.P. civil war. No matter what the results in that race on Tuesday, the Republicans are the sure losers. This could be a gift that keeps on giving to the Democrats through 2010, and perhaps beyond. The governors’ races in New Jersey and Virginia were once billed as the marquee events of Election Day 2009 — a referendum on the Obama presidency and a possible Republican “comeback.” But preposterous as it sounds, the real action migrated to New York’s 23rd, a rural Congressional district abutting Canada. That this pastoral setting could become a G.O.P. killing field, attracting an all-star cast of combatants led by Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, William Kristol and Newt Gingrich, is a premise out of a Depression-era screwball comedy. But such farces have become the norm for the conservative movement — whether the participants are dressing up in full “tea party” drag or not. The battle for upstate New York confirms just how swiftly the right has devolved into a wacky, paranoid cult that is as eager to eat its own as it is to destroy Obama. The movement’s undisputed leaders, Palin and Beck, neither of whom have what Palin once called the “actual responsibilities” of public office, would gladly see the Republican Party die on the cross of right-wing ideological purity. Over the short term, at least, their wish could come true. The New York fracas was ignited by the routine decision of 11 local Republican county chairmen to anoint an assemblywoman, Dede Scozzafava, as their party’s nominee for the vacant seat. The 23rd is in safe Republican territory that hasn’t sent a Democrat to Congress in decades. And Scozzafava is a mainstream conservative by New York standards; one statistical measure found her voting record slightly to the right of her fellow Republicans in the Assembly. But she has occasionally strayed from orthodoxy on social issues (abortion, same-sex marriage) and endorsed the Obama stimulus package. To the right’s Jacobins, that’s cause to send her to the guillotine. Sure enough, bloggers trashed her as a radical leftist and ditched her for a third-party candidate they deem a “true” conservative, an accountant and businessman named Doug Hoffman. When Gingrich dared endorse Scozzafava anyway — as did other party potentates like John Boehner and Michael Steele — he too was slimed. Mocking Newt’s presumed 2012 presidential ambitions, Michelle Malkin imagined him appointing Al Sharpton as secretary of education and Al Gore as “global warming czar.” She’s quite the wit. The wrecking crew of Kristol, Fred Thompson, Dick Armey, Michele Bachmann, The Wall Street Journal editorial page and the government-bashing Club for Growth all joined the Hoffman putsch. Then came the big enchilada: a Hoffman endorsement from Palin on her Facebook page. Such is Palin’s clout that Steve Forbes, Rick Santorum and Tim Pawlenty, the Minnesota governor (and presidential aspirant), promptly fell over one another in their Pavlovian rush to second her motion. They were joined by far-flung Republican congressmen from Kansas, Georgia, Oklahoma and California, not to mention a gaggle of state legislators from Colorado. On Fox News, Beck took up the charge, insinuating that Hoffman’s Republican opponent might be a fan of Karl Marx. Some $3 million has now been dumped into this race by outside groups. Who exactly is the third-party maverick arousing such ardor? Hoffman doesn’t even live in the district. When he appeared before the editorial board of The Watertown Daily Times 10 days ago, he “showed no grasp” of local issues, as the subsequent editorial put it. Hoffman complained that he should have received the questions in advance — blissfully unaware that they had been asked by the paper in an editorial on the morning of his visit. Last week it turned out that Hoffman’s prime attribute to the radical right — as a take-no-prisoners fiscal conservative — was bogus. In fact he’s on the finance committee of a hospital that happily helped itself to a $479,000 federal earmark. Then again, without the federal government largess that the tea party crowd so deplores, New York’s 23rd would be a Siberia of joblessness. The biggest local employer is the pork-dependent military base, Fort Drum. The right’s embrace of Hoffman is a double-barreled suicide for the G.O.P. On Saturday, the battered Scozzafava suspended her campaign, further scrambling the race. It’s still conceivable that the Democratic candidate could capture a seat the Republicans should own. But it’s even better for Democrats if Hoffman wins. Punch-drunk with this triumph, the right will redouble its support of primary challengers to 2010 G.O.P. candidates they regard as impure. That’s bad news for even a Republican as conservative as Kay Bailey Hutchison, whose primary opponent in the Texas governor’s race, the incumbent Rick Perry, floated the possibility of secession at a teabagger rally in April and hastily endorsed Hoffman on Thursday. The more rightists who win G.O.P. primaries, the greater the Democrats’ prospects next year. But the electoral math is less interesting than the pathology of this movement. Its antecedent can be found in the early 1960s, when radical-right hysteria carried some of the same traits we’re seeing now: seething rage, fear of minorities, maniacal contempt for government, and a Freudian tendency to mimic the excesses of political foes. Writing in 1964 of that era’s equivalent to today’s tea party cells, the historian Richard Hofstadter observed that the John Birch Society’s “ruthless prosecution” of its own ideological war often mimicked the tactics of its Communist enemies. The same could be said of Beck, Palin and their acolytes. Though they constantly liken the president to various totalitarian dictators, it is they who are re-enacting Stalinism in full purge mode. They drove out Arlen Specter, and now want to “melt Snowe” (as the blog Red State put it). The same Republicans who once deplored Democrats for refusing to let an anti-abortion dissident, Gov. Robert Casey of Pennsylvania, speak at the 1992 Clinton convention now routinely banish any dissenters in their own camp. These conservatives’ whiny cries of victimization also parrot a tic they once condemned in liberals. After Rush Limbaugh was booted from an ownership group bidding on the St. Louis Rams, he moaned about being done in by the “race card.” What actually did him in, of course, was the free-market American capitalism he claims to champion. Limbaugh didn’t understand that in an increasingly diverse nation, profit-seeking N.F.L. franchises actually want to court black ticket buyers, not drive them away. This same note of self-martyrdom was sounded in a much-noticed recent column by the former Nixon hand Pat Buchanan. Ol’ Pat sounded like the dispossessed antebellum grandees in “Gone With the Wind” when lamenting the plight of white working-class voters. “America was once their country,” he wrote. “They sense they are losing it. And they are right.” They are right. That America was lost years ago, and no national political party can thrive if it lives in denial of that truth. The right still may want to believe, as Palin said during the campaign, that Alaska, with its small black and Hispanic populations, is a “microcosm of America.” (New York’s 23rd also has few blacks or Hispanics.) But most Americans like their country’s 21st-century profile. That changing complexion is part of why the McCain-Palin ticket lost every demographic group by large margins in 2008 except white senior citizens and the dwindling fifth of America that’s still rural. It’s also why the G.O.P. has been in a nosedive since the inauguration, whatever Obama’s ups and downs. In the latest Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll, only 17 percent of Americans identify themselves as Republicans (as opposed to 30 percent for the Democrats, and 44 for independents). No wonder even the very conservative Republican contenders in the two big gubernatorial contests this week have frantically tried to disguise their own convictions. The candidate in Virginia, Bob McDonnell, is a graduate of Pat Robertson’s university whose career has been devoted to curbing abortion rights, gay civil rights and even birth control. But in this campaign he ditched those issues, disinvited Palin for a campaign appearance, praised Obama’s Nobel Prize, and ran a closing campaign ad trumpeting “Hope.” Chris Christie, McDonnell’s counterpart in New Jersey, posted a campaign video celebrating “Change” in which Obama’s face and most stirring campaign sound bites so dominate you’d think the president had endorsed the Republican over his Democratic opponent, Jon Corzine. Only in the alternative universe of the far right is Obama a pariah and Palin the great white hope. It’s become a Beltway truism that the White House’s (mild) spat with Fox News is counterproductive because it drives up the network’s numbers. But if curious moderate and independent voters are now tempted to surf there and encounter Beck’s histrionics for the first time, the president’s numbers will benefit as well. To the uninitiated, the tea party crowd comes across like the barflies in “Star Wars.” There is only one political opponent whom Obama really has to worry about at this moment: Hamid Karzai. It’s Afghanistan and joblessness, not the Stalinists of the right, that have the power to bring this president down. This column has been updated from the version that appears in print to reflect the fact that Ms. Scozzafava suspended her campaign on Saturday morning. --- And for the benefit of our local brownshirts, I already know you can't stand Rich ... but he's right. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 31 23:54:40 2009, in response to Re: Score one for the tea partiers, posted by SMAZ on Sat Oct 31 23:47:00 2009. No matter WHO wins this time around, it won't be a republican. There are NO republicans to vote for anymore. :)Only question now is will Hoffman actually move INTO the district? He doesn't live in it now, just like Tedisco in the last of these. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 1 01:45:40 2009, in response to Re: Score one for the tea partiers, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Oct 31 22:50:25 2009. I don't doubt that it's absolutely true. Still doesn't mean it's not a herring. |
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Posted by docstox on Sun Nov 1 07:05:26 2009, in response to Frank Rich gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 31 23:47:11 2009. Something like this is happening in New Jersey with the "conservative" Independent Daggett taking away votes from the more moderate Christie.Corzine is going to win because of that.It's an old military maxim..."divide and conquer".However, Obama better not gloat too much.The last paragraph of the article states Afghanistan and joblessness are the 800 pound gorillas in the room.Obama won on the Independent votes.They will turn on him if the GOP gets it's act together and fields better candidates.That won't matter as much if unemployment is still 10% in October 2010. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 1 07:24:09 2009, in response to Frank Rich gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 31 23:47:11 2009. "Stalinists of the right" . . . sounds like he's been reading the right propaganda (or maybe some of the stuff on P.ie, quite the bastion of tinfoilheadedness) . . .As for "brownshirts", you should worry about those active in the continent that spawned them, not the bogeymen that the left claims exist here (while they aid the ones over there). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Nov 1 07:46:28 2009, in response to Frank Rich gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 31 23:47:11 2009. LOL, Great "Op-Ed"... |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Nov 1 08:36:43 2009, in response to Re: Frank Rich gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers), posted by docstox on Sun Nov 1 07:05:26 2009. However, Carter was still okay until the Iran hostage crisis fiasco. |
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Posted by docstox on Sun Nov 1 09:32:26 2009, in response to Re: Frank Rich gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers), posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Nov 1 08:36:43 2009. Remember how bad the economy was with Carter? That plus the Iran fiasco did him in.Those same factors lurk for Obama next year, the economy and foreign entanglements. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 1 12:05:02 2009, in response to Frank Rich gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 31 23:47:11 2009. Frank Rich is clueless. Scozzafava is no moderate. She is to the left of her NY Democrats. Check out who endorsed her in this election. Even George Pataki, a true moderate Republican, endorsed Hoffman.Any Republican who supports stimulus bills, socialized medicine and has most unions in her back pocket cannot be allowed to call themselves Republicans. The tent is big, but not infinite. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 1 12:05:38 2009, in response to Re: Frank Rich gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers), posted by docstox on Sun Nov 1 07:05:26 2009. .Corzine is going to win because of thatCorzine will lose. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 1 12:06:50 2009, in response to Re: Frank Rich gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers), posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Nov 1 08:36:43 2009. LOL.You would create the image of a smarter man if you simply shut up. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 1 12:09:37 2009, in response to Re: Score one for the tea partiers, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 31 18:50:20 2009. Just to add another thought ... there is now NO republican candidate in that district. The CONSERVATIVE party owns Hoffman, and based on tonight's local news, the CONSERVATIVE party has told the GOP to sit down, shaddap and go away.The GOP has endorsed him, the GOP is sending in money and troops. The Conservative Party in NY has no power to tell the national GOP to do anything. Hoffman will caucus with the GOP, so he's a defacto Republican and if he wins, will be the GOP candidate next year. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 1 12:11:11 2009, in response to Re: Score one for the tea partiers, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Oct 31 19:40:47 2009. A record of stupidity and insanity by people living in Baltimore, who like to be dictated to by a one party system.It's also a hallmark of Baltimore's racist past. The Democratic party in the south was a bastion of white segregationists. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 1 12:14:47 2009, in response to Re: Score one for the tea partiers, posted by Parkchester (East 177th St) on Sat Oct 31 22:04:17 2009. The events of NY-23 indicate the national GOP leadership does not have the ability to do that. If Owens (NY-23 Democrat) wins on Tuesday, it's proof positive that the GOP has to listen to it's BASE before considering it's 2010 comeback. There is no guarantee the sinking Democrat fortunes will automatically lead to mass Republican gains. The NRCC and the NRSC must make peace with it's conservative/libertarian base. Without them, they lose.The base will no longer support anyone with a "-R" after his/her name. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 1 12:17:10 2009, in response to Re: Score one for the tea partiers, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 1 01:45:40 2009. I don't think what Dan said qualifies as a herringhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring_%28idiom%29 It's more of an irrelevant factoid. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 1 12:18:42 2009, in response to Re: Score one for the tea partiers, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 31 23:54:40 2009. Are you deaf?Hoffman will caucus with the GOP, will run as the GOP candidate in 2010 and has the support of almost the entire NRCC. Scozzafava was the fake Republican. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Nov 1 15:04:22 2009, in response to Re: Frank Rich doesn't gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 1 12:05:02 2009. Check out who endorsed her in this election.Heh. A few weeks, I said that I would vote for Scozzafava if I resided in NY-23 and I meant it. My endorsment was Dede's kiss of death. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Nov 1 15:09:07 2009, in response to Re: Score one for the tea partiers, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 1 12:14:47 2009. If Owens (NY-23 Democrat) wins on Tuesday, it's proof positive that the GOP has to listen to it's BASE before considering it's 2010 comeback.If Owens wins on Tuesday, it's proof positive that the GOP CANNOT win a two person race when their candidate (in this case Hoffman) only represents its base. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Nov 1 15:19:54 2009, in response to Frank Rich gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 31 23:47:11 2009. Outstanding column as usual by Mr. Rich. |
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Re: Frank Rich never gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 1 16:04:29 2009, in response to Re: Frank Rich doesn't gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 1 12:05:02 2009. Rich and Krugthing, the two most hateful NYT editorialists, facts be darned . . . |
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Re: Frank Rich doesn't gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 1 16:08:02 2009, in response to Re: Frank Rich doesn't gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers), posted by SMAZ on Sun Nov 1 15:04:22 2009. Now check out who she is endorsing:http://watertowndailytimes.com/article/20091101/NEWS09/911019992 How did this cunt get nominated as a Republican for ANYTHING? In a sick way, I hope Hoffman will lose so that the NRCC gets the message: nominate Republicans, not liberal Democrats with R's after their name. |
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Re: Frank Rich doesn't gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Nov 1 16:12:32 2009, in response to Re: Frank Rich doesn't gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 1 16:08:02 2009. I knew this was coming. I didn't think it was gonna be this explicit though.As you can see, I'm not a partisan since I would have voted for Dede over the Democrat. I can smell who thinks like me regardless of what letter they have after their name. |
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Re: Frank Rich doesn't gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 1 16:14:55 2009, in response to Re: Frank Rich doesn't gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers), posted by SMAZ on Sun Nov 1 16:12:32 2009. As you can see, I'm not a partisan since I would have voted for Dede over the Democrat.Because you're a LIBERAL! And so is she. This is why the GOP can't nominate people like her, so we don't have to listen to liberals like you say that you're not in ideological lock-step with the Obama administration because you support someone who claims to be a Republican. |
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Re: Frank Rich doesn't gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 1 16:37:19 2009, in response to Re: Frank Rich doesn't gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 1 16:08:02 2009. 118 years of republican ownership of the district comes to an end and yet you guys just don't seem to get it ... when you can't sell your cookies in Watertown, you're done! About the only people still willing to vote for what the GOP is offering is this guy:
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Re: Frank Rich doesn't gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Nov 1 16:38:17 2009, in response to Re: Frank Rich doesn't gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 1 12:05:02 2009. Explain what is wrong with unions. If the unions were really the problem, then explain how Ford has thrived.Blaming unions is scapegoating them. |
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Re: Frank Rich doesn't gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 1 16:43:01 2009, in response to Re: Frank Rich doesn't gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 1 12:05:02 2009. Paturkey wants to run for President ... heh. Of COURSE he's gonna sidle up to the nutcakes of the former republican party. :) |
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Re: Frank Rich gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 1 16:44:36 2009, in response to Re: Frank Rich gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Nov 1 07:46:28 2009. At least what he wrote is actually classified as same ... compare to "news" from the others. :-\ |
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Re: Frank Rich gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 1 16:46:34 2009, in response to Re: Frank Rich gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers), posted by docstox on Sun Nov 1 07:05:26 2009. Absolutely ... I'd really like to see the republican party come back some day. But like the democrats in the 70's, they're dead meat with the loonies calling the shots. :( |
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Re: Frank Rich gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 1 16:52:37 2009, in response to Re: Frank Rich gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers), posted by docstox on Sun Nov 1 09:32:26 2009. Actually, the economy had started turning around by the end of his first year, but it took two more before people started to notice it. Hmmm. History repeats like that every time a democrat follows a republican administration. And WHO do we blame? :-\ |
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Re: Frank Rich gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 1 16:53:30 2009, in response to Re: Frank Rich gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 1 12:05:38 2009. False. If it's any comfrot for you though, Virginia will go republican. The dems didn't even bother there. :) |
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Re: Frank Rich doesn't gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Nov 1 16:57:10 2009, in response to Re: Frank Rich doesn't gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 1 16:37:19 2009. I wonder if this is the first act in a permanent schism of the Republican Party and their going the way of the Whigs or just an isolated event. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 1 16:58:03 2009, in response to Re: Score one for the tea partiers, posted by SMAZ on Sun Nov 1 15:09:07 2009. 
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 1 17:01:53 2009, in response to Re: Score one for the tea partiers, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 1 12:18:42 2009. Heh. So why did all those county chairman (the republican BASE in that district) pick HER instead of the outsider? And Hoffman may indeed caucus with the GOP even if he loses:
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 1 17:03:44 2009, in response to Re: Score one for the tea partiers, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 1 12:09:37 2009. And you think the voters in NY-23 can't figure out that the Stalinist troops from Atlanta marched into their territory and burned them down? Thanks for confirming what the voters up there know.So where will Hoffman seek asylum? Tennessee or Mississippi? :) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Nov 1 17:09:10 2009, in response to Re: Score one for the tea partiers, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 1 16:58:03 2009. 
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Re: Frank Rich gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers) |
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Posted by docstox on Sun Nov 1 17:11:07 2009, in response to Re: Frank Rich gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 1 16:52:37 2009. Really?In early 1980, inflation was nearly 12%, gold hit 800 dollars an ounce and interest rates for home mortgages went from 9% to 13%.I know because I bought my house in early 1980. 1980 was at the END of Carter's time.The people voted him out after one term. |
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Re: Frank Rich doesn't gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers) |
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Posted by docstox on Sun Nov 1 17:21:03 2009, in response to Re: Frank Rich doesn't gets it. Heh (Re: Score one for the tea partiers), posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Nov 1 16:38:17 2009. Ford thrived because it's CEO locked in a huge line of credit before the banking crisis hit last year.They also got favorable settlements from the union before that also.As a result,Ford did well.I made money on it buying it at 2 bucks a share.However, now the union at Ford will not agree to still better deals Ford wants.Ford feels it cannot compete with GM and Chrysler as a result. |
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