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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 6 18:21:37 2009 Full draft story from NYT here.excerpt: July 6, 2009, 5:03 pm Stella D’oro Factory to Close in October By Jennifer 8. Lee Last week, a federal judge ordered Stella D’oro to reinstate 134 workers after a protracted 10-month strike. This week, the company invited the workers back. It also announced that it would close the factory in October. The decision to close Stella D’oro’s only factory, which is based in the Kingsbridge section of the Bronx, was made by Brynwood Partners, the private equity company based in Greenwich, Conn., which bought the company in 2006. .... The workers had gone on strike on strike last Aug. 14, two weeks after their contract had expired. The owners maintained that the hourly wages of $18 to $22 an hour and nine weeks of paid leave made the factory unprofitable. It demanded significant reductions in wages and benefits in order to move the factory to profitability. Last week, an administrative law judge with the National Labor Relations Board in Washington found that the company had improperly refused to bargain with the union by declining to provide the union with a copy of its 2007 audited financial statement. The union representing the workers — Local 50 of the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers — was alerted by a letter from Daniel J. Myers, Stella D’oro’s chief operating officer under the federal Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act, also know as the WARN Act, which requires that mass layoffs have at least 60 days notice. Under the legislation, the workers might be eligible to receive unemployment insurance benefits, job retraining, and re-employment services. .... |
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Posted by vfrt on Mon Jul 6 18:38:06 2009, in response to Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 6 18:21:37 2009. Do they have factories anywhere else or is it goodbye Stella D'Oro? And what did that union gain? Nothing. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 6 18:46:12 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by vfrt on Mon Jul 6 18:38:06 2009. According to what we read, this is the brand's only factory; it's right near 238 St station on the 1 route. Based on an earlier story, Brynwood Partners (the owner) wanted wage cuts in the neighborhood of $5/hour and pension/benefit givebacks too.I imagine that the brand will continue; it's a very valuable asset. And what did that union gain? Nothing. More like less than nothing, so far. We'll see where the new factory is going to be. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 6 18:46:16 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by vfrt on Mon Jul 6 18:38:06 2009. It's so sad. I drove past the old Swingline factory and was reminded of NY's past.Only trucks you see in the Maspeth industrial park are UPS and Fresh Direct. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 6 18:47:33 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 6 18:46:16 2009. Swingline moved production to Mexico, didn't they? |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jul 6 18:48:47 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 6 18:46:12 2009. According to wikipedia they opened another factory in NJ. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 6 18:49:35 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 6 18:47:33 2009. Yes. And I'm sure China benefits somehow as well. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 6 18:57:54 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by Easy on Mon Jul 6 18:48:47 2009. I see that; nothing I can find on Brynwood Partners' site to corroborate that, though. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 6 19:01:25 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 6 18:57:54 2009. Hmmm. Maybe the work is subcontracted. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jul 6 19:04:41 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 6 19:01:25 2009. Wouldn't that mean that a competitor is making their cookies? Like Nabisco? |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jul 6 19:05:36 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 6 18:57:54 2009. I didn't see it in google search of "stella d'oro new jersey" either. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 6 19:07:07 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by Easy on Mon Jul 6 19:04:41 2009. no |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Jul 6 20:49:44 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by Easy on Mon Jul 6 19:04:41 2009. Nabisco is owned by Kraft Foods now, with its snacks made either by Kraft in the USA or by Kraft Foods Canada. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Jul 6 20:50:37 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 6 18:47:33 2009. Swingline was bought by Acco; some of its production is also in Illinois in addition to Mexico. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 6 22:32:03 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by Easy on Mon Jul 6 19:04:41 2009. No, some small unknown bakery making products under Stella D's supervision. The bakery isn't in direct competition and has a steady stream of income making products for Stella D.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jul 6 23:35:16 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 6 18:47:33 2009. Swingline moved production to Mexico, didn't they?Swingline was essentially a family business. The founders sold out to ACCO in 1987, when none of their heirs was sufficiently competent to run the business. Production started moving away from LIC in the 1990's. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jul 6 23:48:37 2009, in response to Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 6 18:21:37 2009. The decision to close Stella D’oro’s only factory, which is based in the Kingsbridge section of the Bronx, was made by Brynwood Partners, the private equity company based in Greenwich, Conn., which bought the company in 2006.Kraft obtained the brand in 1992 and trashed it. Despite the name, their clientele were Jews because their products were pareve. Kraft thought they could save some bucks by using milk chocolate. Sales plummeted and never recovered even after the old recipe was restored. Kraft had to sell it to a private equity firm that knew even less about the business than them. This is more a case of incompetent management than selfish union workers. However, the former are given a free pass by the media and tax breaks by the government. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 00:45:58 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jul 6 23:48:37 2009. Kraft obtained the brand in 1992 and trashed it. Despite the name, their clientele were Jews because their products were pareve. Kraft thought they could save some bucks by using milk chocolate. Sales plummeted and never recovered even after the old recipe was restored.Star of Gold....could have been called Star of David, I guess... :) Reading over some history, your description definitely seems accurate. This is more a case of incompetent management than selfish union workers. However, the former are given a free pass by the media and tax breaks by the government. This does seem now to me like an uphill battle even for the private equity firm; after the post-Kraft dip below clientele threshold, it seems like not much could really save them, not even the proposed cuts. And to think that I always thought that they researched product line changes to death. Makes me wonder what B-school curriculum is like, and how much of it carries over into the real world. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jul 7 07:07:07 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 00:45:58 2009. Makes me wonder what B-school curriculum is like, and how much of it carries over into the real world.Consider our first first President who was a B-school graduate. |
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Posted by docstox on Tue Jul 7 07:17:55 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 6 18:46:16 2009. Swingline.Wow, that's a name I haven't heard in ages.I still have my old "Swingline Tot 50" stapeler I bought in 1958 which still works and I use regularly! How's that for a well made product! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 09:32:25 2009, in response to Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 6 18:21:37 2009. More unions destroying industry. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 7 09:36:08 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 09:32:25 2009. Not entirelyyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Jul 7 10:30:31 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jul 6 23:48:37 2009. Kraft obtained the brand in 1992 and trashed it. Despite the name, their clientele were Jews because their products were pareve. Kraft thought they could save some bucks by using milk chocolate. Sales plummeted and never recovered even after the old recipe was restored. Kraft had to sell it to a private equity firm that knew even less about the business than them.Why do you say that the customers were Jewish? Stella D'oro always seemed like a standard supermarket brand to me. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 10:37:59 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Jul 7 10:30:31 2009. Some background here.excerpt: January 12, 2003 Of Milk and Cookies, or How Orthodox Jews Saved an Italian Recipe By JOSEPH BERGER Correction Appended Stella D'Oro, the Bronx-based baker of cookies and breadsticks, was founded in 1932 by an Italian immigrant couple, but in one of those lyrical convergences of ethnicities that gives New York City its special flavor, Stella D'Oro's cookies have for 45 years held a special place in the hearts of many Orthodox Jews. The reason: they are one of the few widely available cookies made without milk or butter, and thus are able to be eaten immediately after meat by those who adhere to Jewish dietary laws. Even Stella D'Oro's Swiss Fudge cookies -- so treasured for their chocolate centers that they have been nicknamed shtreimels, the Yiddish term for round fur hats worn on the Sabbath -- are pareve, meaning with no trace of meat or dairy products and so servable as an all-purpose dessert. That longtime allegiance explains why aggravation rippled through the streets of Flatbush and Borough Park and the cul-de-sacs of Monsey, N.Y., and Lakewood, N.J., a year ago when word got out about a cost-cutting move by Kraft Foods, the new parent company of Stella D'Oro. Kraft had decided to use a less expensive, milk-infused chocolate, which meant that Stella D'Oro cookies could no longer be eaten after meat. But last week the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations, the nation's largest certifier of kosher products, let it be known that Kraft had rescinded the plan. The senior manager for communications in Kraft's biscuit division, Elisabeth Wenner, confirmed a turnabout, saying that Stella D'Oro had not actually shifted to dairy production, but had simply made a labeling change in anticipation of doing so. That change, she said, has been ''placed on hold.'' Although Ms. Wenner would not reveal the reasons for the initial move or for the more recent one, rabbis at the Orthodox Union said the company had bowed to complaints from its own delivery people that the cookies were stagnating on the shelves of supermarkets in Orthodox neighborhoods. The buzz that followed Kraft's reversal was intense. Yaakov Kornreich, 56, of Flatbush, a father of five with five grandchildren, sent e-mail messages with the news to friends, including a businessman in Cleveland and the principal of a day school in Los Angeles, cities where the cookies are also available. Mr. Kornreich was delighted that he would be able to have his Swiss Fudge cookies again. ''They're addictive'' he said. ''They should come with a surgeon general's warning.'' .... Hundreds of mainstream American companies have found it profitable in recent decades to have their foods rabbinically supervised, and the Orthodox Union alone lets 230,000 product labels made by 2,500 companies use its seal, according to Rabbi Yosef Luban, executive rabbinic coordinator of its kashrut division. But the relationship with Stella D'Oro is among the older ones, going back to 1958. Orthodox Jews like the fact that the company's cookies can be easily found in general supermarkets or Midtown Manhattan groceries close to their place of work. Serving them as a dessert after Sabbath lunch, which almost always includes meat, has become something of a custom in many homes. And even the ultra-Orthodox, who will shun rabbinically approved dairy cookies unless the milk used has been given extra supervision, will eat Stella D'Oro. The Stella D'Oro Biscuit Company, whose anisette biscotti send a familiar fragrance through the Kingsbridge neighborhood of the Bronx and other company bakery sites around the country, was taken over by Nabisco Foods in 1992. In December 2000, Nabisco was itself bought by Kraft Foods. On the savings scale, the decision to substitute dairy chocolate for the more expensive pareve type in the Stella D'Oro line was trivial, but the fallout was large, not only among the Orthodox. The lactose-intolerant also look for the pareve label. Mr. Kornreich, a freelance writer who does the family shopping, said he spotted a Stella D'Oro deliveryman in a Flatbush supermarket a couple of months ago and asked him, ''Do you guys know how much business you're losing?'' ''Boy, do we ever!'' he remembered the deliveryman replying. The Stella D'Oro labels, featuring an OU-D, for Orthodox Union Dairy, rather than the longtime OU-P, for Orthodox Union Pareve, were changed far in advance of the recipe so kosher consumers could become accustomed to the idea that soon they could no longer eat the cookies with meat, rabbis for the Orthodox Union said. But as a result of the reaction, said Rabbi Yosef H. Goldberg, a rabbinic coordinator at the Orthodox Union's kashrut division, ''they now want to get the word out that the products never were anything but pareve, and they're still pareve.'' Ms. Wenner of Kraft said that the Swiss Fudge cookies would be relabeled as pareve immediately. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Jul 7 10:42:16 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Jul 7 10:30:31 2009. While Italian baking inspired the cookies, the brand also has a devoted following among Jews because its Swiss fudge cookies are made without milk or butter, making them an acceptable dessert for those who follow Jewish dietary guidelines. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 11:01:51 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 7 09:36:08 2009. This is more a case of incompetent management than selfish union workers.Right, a combination of both. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 11:03:42 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 7 09:36:08 2009. It now looks to me like the argument between management and labor might have been merely an aside, like sailors on a sinking ship arguing with a captain over what their share of the profit ought to be; however that's resolved, the ship is still going to sink.That said, it seems open to discussion, and even likely, that wage and benefit issues accelerated the inevitable sinking. Management and labor lock in a mutually beneficial arrangement when things are going well, and then things begin to tank, said arrangement is no longer so mutually beneficial. This is somewhat reminiscent of GM's deal with employees to offer a better deal than Ford back when it was at the apex of American industry. But then as GM lost touch with which products people wanted, and faced new competition from foreign manufacturers in sectors of the market that GM had not even fathomed the existence of, the path was paved for those foreign outfits to eventually challenge the core of GM's business. And that happened. Right now I would hope that GM isn't just going to churn out the same crap at the same margins with a better ad campaign. And while management was probably the source of GM's troubles, that doesn't mean that labor should after the company's bankruptcy be immune to a summer haircut. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jul 7 13:46:41 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 10:37:59 2009. One point left out of this article is that the founding family of Stella D'Oro, while Italian immigrants, were Italian Jews. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jul 7 13:51:27 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 11:03:42 2009. Two additional points:1. The Times article rather lazily accepts management's quote about "9 weeks of paid leave." It turns out this consists of 5 weeks vacation, 2 weeks of sick leave, and 14 vacation days. This is hardly out line for factory workers in this country. 2. We will never know if the unions would have agreed, in a normal collective bargaining process, to givebacks on this or other benefit and wage issues. That is because, as the NLRB found, the company refused to bargain in good faith, and improperly declared an impasse. So this can hardly be characterized as unions destroying a thriving company. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 7 14:14:42 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jul 7 13:51:27 2009. 1. The Times article rather lazily accepts management's quote about "9 weeks of paid leave." It turns out this consists of 5 weeks vacation, 2 weeks of sick leave, and 14 vacation days. This is hardly out line for factory workers in this country.Something's not right here; 5 weeks vacation + 2 weeks sick time + 14 vacation days = 9 weeks of paid time off. And that IS out of line for factory workers in this country. Even someone with 10 years in doesn't get that kind of paid time off. That's some union. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jul 7 14:18:16 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 7 14:14:42 2009. As someone said, when times are good, unions tend to negotiate good deals. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 14:25:58 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 7 14:14:42 2009. And people are trying to make a point here that many Unions haven't destroyed a lot of businesses. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jul 7 14:35:18 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 14:25:58 2009. Per the Bureau of Labor Statistics, March 2008 Compensation Report, -11% of union workers get 14 or more paid holidays 10% of workers in companies with >100 employees get 5 weeks vacation after 5 years service (18% after 10 years) 5% of all union workers get 5 weeks vacation after 5 years service (9% after 10 years) So, while Stella D'Oro is on the high end, I would not say they are egregiously out of line. I would be interested in how this compares with MTA benefits. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 14:42:35 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jul 7 14:35:18 2009. But we are talking about Stella Doro in this case. And if you reread my quote, I said "many" Unions, not all. Obviously something is wrong with the Stella Dora situation.And as Fred says, the Stell Doro situation is awfully high for factory workers. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jul 7 15:02:20 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jul 7 14:35:18 2009. I don't know if it's high for factory workers. It's on the high side for the categories I cited. It may not be high for NYC. |
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Posted by Alex L. on Tue Jul 7 16:27:26 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jul 7 14:35:18 2009. 1 day vacation for first 10 months during first year and 1 day sick leave for each month during first year or up to May 1, whichever comes first.After one full year, 3 weeks vacation. After three years, 4 weeks vacation. After 15 years, 5 weeks vacation 12 sick days each May 1 accumulating throughout career |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 17:01:38 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by Alex L. on Tue Jul 7 16:27:26 2009. LOL, you should have had the union Stella Doro had....10 weeks vacation in less than 10 years work. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jul 7 17:04:22 2009, in response to Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 6 18:21:37 2009. If there is only one group I can't even fake sympathy for in this erayou found it. My gosh, why can't i get 9 weeks off. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jul 7 18:58:53 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jul 6 23:48:37 2009. Is it possible that another factory may not be found to make the brand, with Stella D'oro simply fading into history? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jul 7 19:02:44 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 7 14:25:58 2009. That is because it is always mutual destruction; if the union contract is so onerous, management should declare bankruptcy.Then again, the tool should not be abused as Frank Lorenzo did in the 1980s with Continental Airlines (Lorenzo is now banned from the industry), which is the argument the other way. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jul 7 19:04:10 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 7 14:14:42 2009. Try 10 weeks though (minus a day). I see your point though. The question is: Why wasn't bankruptcy declared earlier to discharge the contract, or would that only have accelerated the timeline of destruction? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jul 7 19:12:27 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jul 6 23:48:37 2009. Reading the comments in the article, the slow death may have come even before ownership by tobacco companies, back when Kohlberg Kravis Roberts owned the brand in the late 1980s.If the brand remains, I would not be surprised to see it outsourced to a Canadian factory. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jul 7 21:45:53 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jul 7 17:04:22 2009. My gosh, why can't i get 9 weeks off.Who says you can't? UNITE HERE |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Jul 7 22:09:06 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jul 7 17:04:22 2009. My gosh, why can't i get 9 weeks off.Because only people with jobs get vacation. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 7 22:50:09 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by Easy on Tue Jul 7 22:09:06 2009. pwn3d |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 8 06:06:35 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jul 7 19:04:10 2009. 10 calendar weeks but 9 weeks of paid time. Still, it's a lot.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 8 07:09:53 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Jul 7 11:03:42 2009. Right now I would hope that GM isn't just going to churn out the same crap at the same margins with a better ad campaign. And while management was probably the source of GM's troubles, that doesn't mean that labor should after the company's bankruptcy be immune to a summer haircut.My money's on a slicker ad campaign. GM has been a big lie from the early 70's on. Now instead of taking money that should go to R&D and putting it into attorney's pockets, they'll funnel it to advertising, and pump out the same crap that nobody wants. Man I hope I'm wrong here. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 8 07:13:26 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 8 07:09:53 2009. Nope. GM already had a lot of good products out at the time of their bankruptcy, and they only have more good stuff on the way. They've turned around in the last 5 years. |
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Posted by bmtlines on Wed Jul 8 15:00:06 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 8 07:09:53 2009. Don't expect much better while the company remains under government ownership - I predict it will become a government-subsidized burden that produces ecologically and politically-correct overpriced and underpowered vehicles that no-one wants. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Jul 8 15:03:49 2009, in response to Re: Stella D'oro's Bronx, NY factory to close following dispute with union, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 8 07:13:26 2009. Particularly at Cadillac. |
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