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Senate Dems: Fine people who refuse "affordable" health coverage?

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 2 22:48:44 2009

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Now this proposal has entered the realm of the ridiculous more than any other. They trying to outdo the EU in violating people's rights?

AP via Yahoo News

Senate bill fines people refusing health coverage

By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON – Americans who refuse to buy affordable medical coverage could be hit with fines of more than $1,000 under a health care overhaul bill unveiled Thursday by key Senate Democrats looking to fulfill President Barack Obama's top domestic priority.

The Congressional Budget Office estimated the fines will raise around $36 billion over 10 years. Senate aides said the penalties would be modeled on the approach taken by Massachusetts, which now imposes a fine of about $1,000 a year on individuals who refuse to get coverage. Under the federal legislation, families would pay higher penalties than individuals.

In a revamped health care system envisioned by lawmakers, people would be required to carry health insurance just like motorists must get auto coverage now. The government would provide subsidies for the poor and many middle-class families, but those who still refuse to sign up would face penalties.

Called "shared responsibility payments," the fines would be set at least half the cost of basic medical coverage, according to the legislation.

In 2008, employer-provided coverage averaged $12,680 a year for a family plan, and $4,704 for individual coverage, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation's annual survey. Senate aides, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly, said the cost of the federal plan would be lower but declined to provide specifics.

The legislation would exempt certain hardship cases from fines. The fines would be collected through the income tax system.

The new proposals were released as Congress neared the end of a weeklong July 4 break, with lawmakers expected to quickly take up health care legislation when they return to Washington. With deepening divisions along partisan and ideological lines, the complex legislation faces an uncertain future.

Obama wants a bill this year that would provide coverage to the nearly 50 million Americans who lack it and reduce medical costs.

In a statement, Obama welcomed the legislation, saying it "reflects many of the principles I've laid out, such as reforms that will prohibit insurance companies from refusing coverage for people with pre-existing conditions and the concept of insurance exchanges where individuals can find affordable coverage if they lose their jobs, move or get sick."

The Senate Health Education, Labor and Pensions bill also calls for a government-run insurance option to compete with private plans as well as a $750-per-worker annual fee on larger companies that do not offer coverage to employees.

Sens. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., and Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., said in a letter to colleagues that their revised plan would cost dramatically less than an earlier, incomplete proposal, and help show the way toward coverage for 97 percent of all Americans.

In a conference call with reporters, Dodd said the revised bill had brought "historic reform of health care" closer. He said the bill's public option will bring coverage and benefit decisions driven "not by what generates the biggest profits, but by what works best for American families."

The two senators said the Congressional Budget Office put the cost of the proposal at $611.4 billion over 10 years, down from $1 trillion two weeks ago.

However, the total cost of legislation will rise considerably once provisions are added to subsidize health insurance for the poor through Medicaid. Those additions, needed to ensure coverage for nearly all U.S. residents, are being handled by a separate panel, the Senate Finance Committee. Bipartisan talks on the Finance panel aim to hold the overall price tag to $1 trillion.

The Health Committee could complete its portion of the bill as soon as next week, and the presence of a government health insurance option virtually assures a party-line vote.

In the Senate, the Finance Committee version of the bill is unlikely to include a government-run insurance option. Bipartisan negotiations are centered on a proposal for a nonprofit insurance cooperative as a competitor to private companies.

Three committees are collaborating in the House on legislation expected to come to a vote by the end of July. That measure is certain to include a government-run insurance option.

At their heart, all the bills would require insurance companies to sell coverage to any applicant, without charging higher premiums for pre-existing medical conditions. The poor and some middle-class families would qualify for government subsidies to help with the cost of coverage. The government's costs would be covered by a combination of higher taxes and cuts in projected Medicare and Medicaid spending.


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Re: Senate Dems: Fine people who refuse ''affordable'' health coverage?

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 3 20:45:54 2009, in response to Senate Dems: Fine people who refuse "affordable" health coverage?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 2 22:48:44 2009.

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Hmm. I guess the "Massachusetts Effect" is OK with everyone? It's OK to fine someone $1,000 for refusing to buy health insurance?

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Re: Senate Dems: Fine people who refuse ''affordable'' health coverage?

Posted by BMTLines on Fri Jul 3 21:01:14 2009, in response to Re: Senate Dems: Fine people who refuse ''affordable'' health coverage?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 3 20:45:54 2009.

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That effectively makes it nothing more than a tax increase on the middle class.

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Re: Senate Dems: Fine people who refuse ''affordable'' health coverage?

Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jul 3 21:38:12 2009, in response to Senate Dems: Fine people who refuse "affordable" health coverage?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 2 22:48:44 2009.

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Looks like Obamacare = Romneycare on a national scale. What I have read of Mr. Romney's experiment there does not commend it as something to be copied.

As I said earlier, I can see an argument for failure to carry catastrophic health care insurance/liability plan because of the freeloader problem. But I think that requiring every individual to be covered tout court is not only needlessly ambitious, but quite likely needless.

Anyway, I don't believe that bill at issue should pass, as most Americans are against a provision like the one in question.

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Re: Senate Dems: Fine people who refuse ''affordable'' health coverage?

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 3 23:52:16 2009, in response to Re: Senate Dems: Fine people who refuse ''affordable'' health coverage?, posted by BMTLines on Fri Jul 3 21:01:14 2009.

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Nah . . . a tax increase is something that everyone would pay indirectly. Fines are targeted.

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Re: Senate Dems: Fine people who refuse ''affordable'' health coverage?

Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 4 01:58:05 2009, in response to Re: Senate Dems: Fine people who refuse ''affordable'' health coverage?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 3 23:52:16 2009.

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Nah . . . a tax increase is something that everyone would pay indirectly. Fines are targeted.

Yes targeted on freeloaders.

I don't like the term "fine" myself. I would prefer "tax" or "mandatory minimum premium" but I don't want to talk about AirTrain.

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