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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 14:10:11 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jun 22 13:50:41 2009. It's the President's job to put words in the press secretary's mouth, not the other way around.So even worse, the president is being purposely vague on this then, while propsing to spend in the trillions of our tax dollars? But then doesn't this undercut the presidents whole reason for making an a major healthcare overhaul by saying this: Gibbs:"I don't know the exact countries. But i don't think the President is going way out on a limb to say that people in other countries have health care system that they like, just as Americans like the health care system that they have." There he is basically saying that "Americans like the system they have, like other countries like theirs". What does that even mean? I don't think many people are saying the current system is ideal, but in the words of Gibbs himself "Americans are happy with it". Obama's plan may or may not fix the faults, even after spending the enormous amount of money it requires - 1 Trillion+ according to the AP: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gap9wCaolRYguYQesA2i2Yr98yLgD98S9QG81 |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 22 14:10:43 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 13:47:28 2009. It's not for certain that we will, but if we do it's because a huge number of people don't have access to decent health care. We need to do something IMO. Maybe not all the way to nationalized health care, but more than what we have now. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jun 22 14:13:03 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 13:57:49 2009. I agree with you in spirit that I dislike when our officials, aka those who work for us, evade answering questions, but I'm not sure that's the case here, mostly because I don't think that Obama referred to a country whose health care he wants to emulate but used the nebulous phrase "like other countries" in describing what he does not want to do. I don't have time to look up, listen to and quote what Obama said right now, so I'm not going to go to the wall over it but just have a funny feeling that he isn't trying to emulate some other countries' single payer system.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 14:21:33 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 22 14:04:21 2009. I am certainly not either.Am I "indignant" in being upset that our administration dances around questions? I do not like when our elected officials, or their workers evade questions, and I am sorry, but that is what it appears is happening here with that answer. I repeat, When the administration answers us vaguely, all that does is open the far from complete answer for speculation. I don't know about you, but I don't like when my government doesn't answer questions, or dances around questions. It's one of the few times the press actually has asked real questions of the administration (instead of what the president finds "enchanting" about being president), and we didn't get an answer. It's not a bad or hard question. Which countries have a healthcare system like this that works well. If they can't even answer that, and you are fine with that, perhaps it shows what a problem we have with communication with this administration if they only answer questions they want to answer, while proposing to spend trillions of our tax dollars. It's not like it was some technical question here....imagine it was. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 14:22:55 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 22 14:10:43 2009. In that we totally agree. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 22 14:52:11 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 14:21:33 2009. Am I "indignant" in being upset that our administration dances around questions?Yes? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 22 15:19:04 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 13:52:10 2009. You're dodging the point, which is that Obama has not proposed that the US move to a single payer system. Therefore your questions make no sense. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 22 15:20:55 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 22 13:34:52 2009. There is no plan to replace our health care system.Crhis seems to think there is. Maybe that's because the right wing bloggers and talk show hosts are claiming there is. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jun 22 15:22:37 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 14:10:11 2009. So even worse, the president is being purposely vague on this then, while propsing to spend in the trillions of our tax dollars?No, because the President isn't proposing a single-payer health care system. There he is basically saying that "Americans like the system they have, like other countries like theirs". What does that even mean? He's saying that single-payer health care works in some cases, but not in all cases. America has a decent system, if you can afford it and if it doesn't screw you over. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 22 15:22:55 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by Fred G on Mon Jun 22 14:13:03 2009. I'm not going to go to the wall over it but just have a funny feeling that he isn't trying to emulate some other countries' single payer system.Your funny feeling is amply justified by news articles about the topic. But the right wing would like you to think that the Obama proposal is a single payer system. |
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Posted by David Fairthorne on Mon Jun 22 15:23:55 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 04:36:49 2009. As a resident of Canada and a former resident of Britain, I have always been satisfied by the health care systems of those two countries. Britain's Labour government introduced the National Health Service after World War II; it was one of the reforms recommended by the visionary Lord Beveridge in the Beveridge Report (1942). Canada's health care is provided by the provinces. I am quite happy that health care is paid for at reasonable cost from taxpayer funds.Based on what I have heard about the American system, it's very good but very expensive, costing far more per person and a much greater proportion of the Gross National Product than other industrialized countries. Also, too many people are uninsured or underinsured, and many have to declare personal bankruptcy if they become seriously ill for a long time or cannot be insured due to a pre-existing condition. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jun 22 15:45:26 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 12:43:56 2009. I dunno either, but are they as innovative in those countries in drugs, procedure, etc? The US has led the way in many of those fields, and that with it's "inferior" system (as claimed).Once again, no one claimed the U.S. system is "inferior." As far as the U.S. being superior to other countries in medical innovation, it's interesting to note that nearly half (14 of 30) member companies of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America are headquartered in countries with nationalized health care. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 22 16:13:47 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by David Fairthorne on Mon Jun 22 15:23:55 2009. An informed opinion. Imagine that. Thanks.I always assumed that you lived in England. Wasn't there some sort of transit race on Subchat or Subtalk that you were part of where a few people tried to reach a destination using different transit lines? |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jun 22 16:35:56 2009, in response to Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 21 21:28:28 2009. If you speak to people in this country, 80% of them have no issue with their healthcare too.Let's pose gibbs and easier question. Name one thing his gov't is good at. Besides cheating on it's taxes and cronyism. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jun 22 16:46:07 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 12:52:28 2009. Again, as I mentioned, in the case of transportation, you mix the need of "the public good, and need for transportation, regardless of profitability". I said many times, that it is next to impossible to run transportation completely privately, and without government subsidy, etc....but again, you have a business there that the public absolutely must have, regardless of whether it is profitable or not...the same would go for roads, etc.The public doesn't absolutely need mass transportation, nor does it absolutely need health care. Both greatly benefit society. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jun 22 17:16:27 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by David Fairthorne on Mon Jun 22 15:23:55 2009. That's not what a pre-existing condition means. Dont' worry, Nobama doesn't have a clue what it means too. It sounds good in speeches. But it's nothing at all like what it sounds.I'd like to hear why these people are declaring bankruptcy. There's a lot of holes in those stories. As many as 9/11 for those types. 2. you must be the only one. I can go online and go to the newspapers of those two countries right now and find plenty of horror stories. I'm surrounded by hospitals. There's a nice one being built down the street. The rooms look like a hotel, with plasma tv's. Politicians don't decide who gets a new hospital and who does not based on voting precincts. They're not as overcrowded and dirty as public schools are too. Or post offices. Or DMV's. And I'm in a red state, where the DMV and tax offices are state of the art, clean and it's STILL insane! And I'll take my hospitals were there's not a 100% infection rate and the doctors wash their hands without citing religious reasons why they can't. I don't feel like voting for someone because he thinks he can bring some doctors or nurses in. Doctors visita and flu shots aren't expensive. Could you imagine if the gov't gave flu shots? holy god. Not to mention, the tax rates etc will cost more. You all talk about the so called "cost" of healthcare. Ours is higher because we treat everyone and we don't tell you to piss off. BUT, let's tally the cost per person into the system. I pay more to the gov't plan than my own currently. And I opt for the higher priced plan at work. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jun 22 17:19:35 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 22 16:13:47 2009. What part was informed and what were you impressed with the most?Or did it fit your preconceived hypothesis someone had on the huffington post? Will ambulances have to do the forced busing like public schools had? Wait a second. I forgot about publically run ambulances up north back in the day. It was a travesty. The biggest topic for years was why does one ambulance get dispatched to the other site of the city instead of the one down the street? People ended up dying. Lose a hand, firetruck comes, can't do nothing. Yea, I hope the democrats get hold of the hospitals too. That'd be awesome. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 22 17:27:38 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jun 22 17:19:35 2009. What part was informed and what were you impressed with the most?I appreciated hearing from someone that has actualy used health care in Canada and England. Or did it fit your preconceived hypothesis someone had on the huffington post? Couldn't say. I have never read a single article in the Huffington Post. Not even the ones that are linked here. I did used to listen to Arianna Huffington on public radio's "Left, Right, and Center", but was never impressed. Well actually her ability to go from right to moderate to liberal in the span of a couple of years and in mid-life was failry impressive. Will ambulances have to do the forced busing like public schools had? Huh? Wait a second. I forgot about publically run ambulances up north back in the day. It was a travesty. The biggest topic for years was why does one ambulance get dispatched to the other site of the city instead of the one down the street? People ended up dying. Lose a hand, firetruck comes, can't do nothing. Yea, I hope the democrats get hold of the hospitals too. That'd be awesome. You're babbling. Most people only do that when speaking. You have to be real special to actually type babble. ;) |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jun 22 17:37:38 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 22 17:27:38 2009. I wonder if there's a forum where they all type like that and it becomes second nature.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jun 22 18:24:43 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 22 17:27:38 2009. Use some of that welfare money, get lexus-nexis and go search for articles about what I'm talking about. Rules for radicals don't work here. Dead people dont' come back to life like they do in gaza.I hear about these people in canada or england daily. It ain't nothing like what he said. What did he say about the Canadian And British system. Be specific for what I missed. I dare you. pretend it's the 1950's and your a real journalist. Ask yourself who what why when and how I had a city medic in public speaking class. Guess what he talked about everyday. Back in the 1990's. How f-ed up public health was. Why did an ambulance get dispatched to the other side of the fifth largest city where it got lost and people ended up dead instead of using the one based blocks away. I expect an answer since you advocate this system. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jun 22 18:26:28 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by Fred G on Mon Jun 22 17:37:38 2009. It's the liberal and arab forums. Want me to cut and paste?Since you're not dickless #2, you're turn. I had a city medic in public speaking class. Guess what he talked about everyclass. How f-ed up public health was. Why did an ambulance get dispatched to the other side of the fifth largest city where it got lost and people ended up dead instead of using the one based blocks away. I expect an answer since you advocate this system. I await an answer from your superior morality and will reference this post until such time. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jun 22 18:27:30 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jun 22 15:45:26 2009. England and Israel.They bought and merged with companies. Big bleeping deal. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jun 22 18:36:46 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jun 22 18:26:28 2009. Yeah you are that stupid that I would seriously discuss anything with a patho-wack job like you. Go visit the pharmacy, pick up some toothpaste for your yellow teef. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jun 22 18:46:37 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by Fred G on Mon Jun 22 18:36:46 2009. You mean the gov't pharmacy?I'll take that as the usual. You're clueless, stupid, gutless, and as always have nothing to offer. Moving on |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jun 22 18:49:21 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jun 22 18:46:37 2009. yeah ok, keep movin, boy. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 18:53:11 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 22 14:52:11 2009. Oh I forgot, we aren't allowed to question or criticize the current administration, it's strictly forbidden. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 19:02:39 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 22 16:13:47 2009. All I know is that I have been in many "city" run hospital emergency rooms, and in many private hospital emergency rooms over the years with various relatives and friends and occasionally for a personal issue. You are lucky you don't drop dead in many of the public city run hospital emergency rooms. It's night and day comparing it to most private hospitals.The same with nursing centers. I have visited elderly people in state run nursing homes and in private nursing homes, and again, the state run/city run ones have been nightmares most of the time if comparing them to the private ones. Public clinics are also usually a nightmare if comparing to regular clinics/doctor's offices. I have little faith in the government to run medical facilities, and it's not based on inexperience. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 19:04:58 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jun 22 16:35:56 2009. It's amazing how this was claimed that it was going to be "different" and the most "transparent administration" to date. What a crock. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 19:10:38 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jun 22 16:46:07 2009. And it's been proven many times that is next to impossible to make privately run rapid/commuter transportation. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 19:11:03 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jun 22 16:46:07 2009. And it's been proven many times that is next to impossible to make privately run rapid/commuter transportation profitable or possible. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jun 22 19:49:04 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 19:10:38 2009. And it's been proven many times that is next to impossible to make privately run rapid/commuter transportation.I don't think that's true. It's been argued elsewhere in this thread (by BMTLines, I think) that privately run transportation could succeed without government regulation of the fare. It works for intercity and commuter bus service around the country. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jun 22 19:53:42 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 19:04:58 2009. It's amazing how this was claimed that it was going to be "different" and the most "transparent administration" to date. What a crock.It's hard to be "open and transparent" to people who have their fingers in their ears and their eyes closed. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 22 20:59:59 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 12:46:47 2009. Fred, the whole thread is about how the public healthcare would be better or worse than the private healthcare...the whole thread is about comparing government run to private run.So then compare private health insurers to Medicare. The former has 30% overhead costs and rips people off while the latter though not perfect has 3-4% overhead and is the most popular health insurance in America. That's why 72% of Americans want a Medicare-like public option. That's why private insurers are shitting in their pants. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 22 21:01:51 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 11:56:03 2009. But feeling private run systems, business, etc are better than government run business, doesn't imply that private enterprise shouldn't be governed at all.Then you shouldn't worry about a public option. You can stick to your private insurer if you think it's better. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 21:06:14 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jun 22 19:49:04 2009. I also said that the IRT and BMT were killed by the government intervention and regulation of the fare, not to mention building the IND to compete with them to kill them. But I also said, that is not to say a combined BMT/IRT would still be here today had the government not done that.As for commuter and intercity bus service around the country, that is quite different than rail rapid transit. There is no doubt that "some" bus companies can make it....Hampton Jitney here in NY being one of them. But then again, they aren't a "necessity" either, and cater more to a higher income/paying crowd. Those people can pack onto the LIRR trains too instead if the Jitney wasn't there, but they pay for the more luxury the Jitney provides. Greyhound is another one...and again, they don't have the infastructure that rail transportation has. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 22 21:08:12 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by bmtlines on Mon Jun 22 11:52:31 2009. on the other hand if I have an issue with a private company it only costs a small filing fee to sue them in small claims court.You mean take them to...the government? Wouldn't a private small claims court be cheaper and more efficient? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 22 21:11:41 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by bmtlines on Mon Jun 22 09:56:05 2009. If we relied on government we would still be using the rotary telephone!If it weren't for the government breaking up Ma Bell to insure fair competition, we would still be using the rotary phone. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 22 21:34:11 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by bmtlines on Mon Jun 22 09:56:05 2009. Well AT&T did have Bell Labs. We can thank them for computers, computer languages, fiber optics, lasers, and more. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 21:36:37 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 22 20:59:59 2009. That's why 72% of Americans want a Medicare-like public option.Where are your stats from, and what was the sample they used. |
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Posted by metropod on Mon Jun 22 22:31:33 2009, in response to Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 21 21:28:28 2009. Where did they find this guy again? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 22 22:58:09 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 13:44:21 2009. But that doesn't say a whole lot about this hairbrained healthcare plan,So tell me...what is the Obama health care plan? Do you know? |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 22 23:01:38 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 22 22:58:09 2009. Does it involve putting social security in a lock box? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 22 23:03:32 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 22 15:22:55 2009. But the right wing would like you to think that the Obama proposal is a single payer system.Exactly. And that's why Gibbs handled the question brilliantly instead of falling into the trap that some "journalist" shilling for corporate interests tried to lay on him. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 22 23:04:08 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 22 23:01:38 2009. Does it involve putting social security in a lock box?haha |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 22 23:08:08 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 13:50:35 2009. And if we can't even get an answer out of the administration (through Gibbs) on countries where the system works "well", how can we accept any of those as better than our own system?Could it just be that it's because Obama is proposing something that no other country has and comparisons would be impossible? Could it just be that Gibbs knows that and you don't? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 23:08:59 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 22 23:08:08 2009. No, it couldn't. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 23:12:31 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 22 23:03:32 2009. There was no "trap". And yes, Gibbs was "brilliant" at being evasive, just as he always is. And the "journalist" asked a legit question, and a simple question. it's not an unreasonable, nor a technical question to ask, "what other countries have that sort of system that works well". Imagine if it HAD been a technical question.....And just because you are not used to journalists actually asking the president or his representatives real questions, doesn't mean when they FINALLY do, that they are "shrilling for corporate interests". Asking the president "what enchants him about being president" can't last forever. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 22 23:14:57 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 12:59:59 2009. Not to bad for such an inferior system Obama wants to do away withPROFF |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 22 23:17:29 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 22 13:30:17 2009. They must just think that the care is better here, which maybe it is for people with money/insurance.If they did they would have repealed it. It is a sacred cow and a point of pride for most Canadians just like our own Medicare system is here. No party dares to touch it. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 22 23:18:44 2009, in response to Re: Gibbs Can't Name Countries Where Government Health Care Works Better, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 22 14:22:55 2009. In that we totally agree.Then why do you keep criticizing the outlines of the Obama plan? |
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