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Foolish response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day

Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Mar 21 15:51:03 2009

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Israel has no Constitution and no enshrined right to freedom of speech. While speech and press privileges are generally much closer to the West than they are to totalitarian systems, they are privileges which are customary, not legal freedoms. Yhe Israeli government does reserve the right to censor and suppress speech for "security" or other purposes.

The following demonstrates how the Israeli government can and does exercise very poor judgment. Given an opportunity to show tolerance and self-assurance in a situation that was not a threat to anyone (but was an opportunity), the Israeli police were ordered by government officials to act like Taliban. And the ugly results are out there for all the world to see.

"Stupid" doesn't even begin to describe this.

Israel police ban Arab culture day in Jerusalem
Published: 3/21/09, 3:26 PM EDT
By DIAA HADID
JERUSALEM (AP) - Israeli authorities broke up a series of Palestinian cultural events in Jerusalem on Saturday, disrupting a children's march and bursting balloons at a schoolyard celebration in a crackdown that underscored the emotional battle over control of the disputed holy city.

Elsewhere in Jerusalem, hundreds of Israelis gathered outside the residence of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to mark the 1,000th day in captivity of an Israeli soldier held by Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip. The demonstration took place at a protest tent set up by the soldier's family, and many in the crowd quietly waved yellow glow sticks in a show of solidarity.

Palestinian activists called for Saturday's celebrations to mark the Arab League's designation of Jerusalem as the capital of Arab culture for 2009. The 23-nation group chooses a different city for the honor each year.

But Israel said the events violated a ban on Palestinian political activity in Jerusalem. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas criticized the crackdown.


Announcing the ban on Saturday's events, Israel's internal security minister, Avi Dichter, accused Abbas' Palestinian Authority of being behind the activities. Israel does not allow the Palestinian government to have a presence in Jerusalem, saying it undercuts Israel's claim to the city.

At one event, teenage girls at an east Jerusalem Catholic school released a few dozen balloons in the red, white, green and black colors of the Palestinian flag over the walled Old City. Israeli military police and soldiers quickly moved into the schoolyard and popped the remaining balloons, students said.

Zein, an 18-year-old student, said the police popped them with their hands and told them they weren't allowed to release them into the air. She asked not to use her last name, fearing further problems with the police.

An Israeli intelligence official at the school who refused to give his name said the balloons were burst "because they are Palestinian."

Police spokesman Shmuel Ben Ruby said 12 people were detained. Police also broke up attempts by Palestinian school children to march into the Old City.

The dispute over Jerusalem lies at the heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and has been the most sensitive issue in peace talks.

Israel says the entire city of Jerusalem is its undivided capital. Palestinians want east Jerusalem - captured by Israel in the 1967 Mideast war and site of key Jewish, Muslim and Christian holy sites - as the capital of a future state.

Israel annexed the eastern part of the city after the 1967 war, and today, some 180,000 Jewish Israelis live in east Jerusalem neighborhoods. The annexation is not internationally recognized.

Speaking in the West Bank town of Bethlehem, Abbas said Israel's policies in Jerusalem were undermining the chances for peace.

"The policy of discrimination, suppression, stealing the land, destruction of neighborhoods, and homes, the policy of falsifying the past, destroying the present and stealing the future should all stop if peace is to have a real opportunity in this land," he said.

He urged the incoming Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, to resume stalled peace negotiations on all issues of dispute, including Jerusalem. The conservative Netanyahu rejects any division of the holy city.

Olmert had hoped to arrange a prisoner swap with Hamas that would bring home the captured soldier, Sgt. Gilad Schalit, before he leaves office. Netanyahu is putting together a coalition government following elections last month and has two more weeks to complete the task.

But earlier this week, Olmert said Hamas' demands were excessive, strongly signaling he would turn over the matter to Netanyahu. Hamas is seeking the release of some 450 imprisoned militants, including dozens convicted of killing Israelis, in exchange for Schalit.

Schalit's father, Noam, urged Olmert to continue his efforts. "We want Gilad Schalit back home immediately - immediately, not in another 1,000 days, not even in another 100 days," he told the crowd Saturday night.

Schalit's family set up the protest tent two weeks ago to push for a last-minute deal. In a country where military service is mandatory, the case has gripped the nation's attention, and thousands of people have stopped by the tent to support the family.

The family planned to return home to northern Israel later Saturday, but his father said their struggle would go on. "This hasn't ended, dear Gilad," he said.


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Re: Foolish response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Mar 22 11:20:10 2009, in response to Foolish response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Mar 21 15:51:03 2009.

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So are saying that car bomb should've went off?

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Re: Response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 22 11:34:58 2009, in response to Re: Foolish response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Mar 22 11:20:10 2009.

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You should have let the post drop off the board. There's so much in here that's so easily refuted, but that would be feeding the troll, e.g. the existence of a constitution of law as some kind of litmus test to determine whether or not a state guarantees freedom—which is BS, because even Red China has a constitution, but they're one of the most unfree countries as well as one of the biggest human-rights violators in history. (The UK has no formal constitution, but has been an historic guarantor of freedoms throughout the ages.)

Furthermore, the citation in the AP article of "Palestinian cultur(e)" is an oxymoron. The Arab League members are terrorist-sponsoring entities. Look at Abbas' BS about "falsifying the past"—meanwhile, "Palestinians" systematically try to destroy evidence of Jewish past in the country, especially in al-Quds Jerusalem.

PS. You don't email people on the board?

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Re: Foolish response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 22 11:44:12 2009, in response to Re: Foolish response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Mar 22 11:20:10 2009.

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Just ignore Ron.

http://perfectlyhuman.multiply.com/video/item/8

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Re: Response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Mar 22 11:54:18 2009, in response to Re: Response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 22 11:34:58 2009.

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I forgot the idea for the Palestinian culture museum. Be the finest in Greek Culture except the greeks are Arab.

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Re: Foolish response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day

Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 22 12:15:38 2009, in response to Re: Foolish response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 22 11:44:12 2009.

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Jeff, you're a star!

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Re: Foolish response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 22 12:41:44 2009, in response to Re: Foolish response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 22 12:15:38 2009.

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Does that make you a black hole singularity? ("Black hole" might be racist, remember.)

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Re: Foolish response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day

Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 22 12:43:24 2009, in response to Re: Foolish response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 22 12:41:44 2009.

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No, but it does make you a lunatic.

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Re: Foolish response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Mar 22 13:06:29 2009, in response to Re: Foolish response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 22 11:44:12 2009.

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One thing not mentioned; statehood. Kosovo, Palestine, Gaza, reverse lebanon, Pakistan, etc etc.

Southern Thailand just two days ago.

Future Spain, Italy etc....Western Sahara republic(going off topic as it's just occupied by infidels).

Land for Peace deals work great, but I'm having trouble finding the percent of Muslims in Pakistan in the 1950's or 1970's. Even in Land for Peace, like Pakistan, Thailand, Gaza, Bethleham, Kosovo, the muslim population wasn't majority. But they cleanse themselves to 98%.

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Re: Foolish response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 22 14:17:56 2009, in response to Re: Foolish response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 22 12:43:24 2009.

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Lunatics usually accuse other people of lunacy.

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Re: Response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 22 14:19:08 2009, in response to Re: Foolish response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Mar 22 13:06:29 2009.

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Note that "land for peace" has been championed by the EU. Lebensraum?

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Re: Foolish Response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day

Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 22 14:36:15 2009, in response to Re: Response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 22 14:19:08 2009.

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Israeli setters in the West Bamk have been championing Lebensraum for decades.

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Re: Foolish response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day

Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 22 14:36:49 2009, in response to Re: Foolish response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 22 14:17:56 2009.

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As you do. You're the prototype lunatic.

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Re: Foolish response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 22 14:40:02 2009, in response to Re: Foolish response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 22 14:36:49 2009.

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No, I rarely do that. I have accused people of suffering from established illnesses. (Remember JournalSquare-K-Car? You didn't even recognize mental illness in that person.)

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Re: Response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 22 14:42:19 2009, in response to Re: Foolish Response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 22 14:36:15 2009.

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You're a liar. The "Palestinians" have been exercising the Lebensraum, supported by not only Iran but the EU.

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Re: Foolish Response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day

Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 22 14:55:05 2009, in response to Re: Response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 22 14:42:19 2009.

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They and the settlers learn from each other. There are scum on both sides who could live in the same landfill.

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Re: Foolish Response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Mar 22 15:07:26 2009, in response to Re: Foolish Response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 22 14:55:05 2009.

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Let's go back to Bethleham and see what happens when a christian owns a house and what happens to said house

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Re: Foolish Response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day

Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 22 15:17:15 2009, in response to Re: Foolish Response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Mar 22 15:07:26 2009.

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Or a Muslim at Sabriya and Shattila when the Christian Falange are around (oh, yeah, that already happened; how many body bags were needed?)

Scum shows no religious favoritism.

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Re: Foolish Response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Mar 22 16:16:04 2009, in response to Re: Foolish Response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 22 15:17:15 2009.

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"Scum shows no religious favoritism. "

Except when they ask you what your religion is and let you go depending on the answer.
Mumbai a few months ago.

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Re: Foolish Response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day

Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 22 16:30:26 2009, in response to Re: Foolish Response by Israeli government to Arab Culture Day, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Mar 22 16:16:04 2009.

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And Jerusalem's Mea Shearim today. And Belfast.

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