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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 27 02:03:20 2008 Oh well, there goes that brief little window of "independence". You can bet that this is a flipoff in Pooty-poot's face on the EU's part. This is a game that the USA should have stopped in its tracks, when Germany started playing itagain (cut up Yugoslavia, take over the pieces, like was done twice before). Yes, this is a sticky matter that won't get less "viscous" between these two loggerheads.Spiegel
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 27 14:57:21 2008, in response to EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 27 02:03:20 2008. Now this is interesting . . . the UN's giving up all administrative power in Kosovo. This would leave the EULEX contingent with free rein (no, the Kosovo government isn't strong enough to contradict them). How did the UN agree to that? (The UN will have more power over the USA than over this little nation, after this.)New Kosova Report
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 28 16:38:00 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 27 14:57:21 2008. Little bit of squabbling in the streets. Note that UN-owned vehicles were targeted. Now let's see what EULEX will do, with all of their unilateral administrative power . . .Balkan Insight
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 31 02:00:35 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 28 16:38:00 2008. Why would Serbs need to write a letter to EULEX if everything's hunky-dory, eh? (Note they are displaced Serbs. How did they get displaced?)B92
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 4 03:19:45 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 31 02:00:35 2008. Still not happy-time over in Kosovo. Even as the Serb government is on the verge of being invited to help EULEX (thanks to the EU-courting president's efforts), the pro-Russia elements within Kosovo stage a large protest.BalkanInsight.com
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 5 23:56:01 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 4 03:19:45 2008. German-Foreign-Policy.com chimes in with a very insightful update. Quite a bastion of freedom Kosovo is becoming. (And we supported this?)
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 9 15:37:41 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 5 23:56:01 2008. More game-playing in this continued soap opera. Serbia is going to get their day in court (the UN's ICJ, specifically); Germany is abstaining from the UN vote (they don't want too harsh a spotlight on them, certainly).Deutsche Welle
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Posted by AlM on Thu Oct 9 15:43:30 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 9 15:37:41 2008. Serbia'll be sorry it did that. I bet the ICJ will say yes Kosovo belongs to Serbia, but with so many strings attached that Serbia will wish it had never botehred. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 9 15:50:40 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by AlM on Thu Oct 9 15:43:30 2008. Serbia'll be sorry it did thatSure, for as long as the détente between Germany and Russia stands. (But then again, that might be why Germany abstained; they and Russia might have worked something out there.) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 15 00:55:18 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 9 15:50:40 2008. Just a little reminder that it's not happy-time in Kosovo yet. Still anti-EU sentiment.Reuters
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 27 16:53:58 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 15 00:55:18 2008. And look who did that little stunt. The BND's shenanigans are being brought to light here. (Support for terrorists? Who'da thunk.)German-Foreign-Policy.com
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 9 03:14:10 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 27 16:53:58 2008. Well, now that it's all "offeecial" (to use the Scots spelling), we get the Associated Press (via IHT here) to report on EULEX. 2,000 strong, too! Why do they need so many? Could it be because of what has gone on before, out of the EU?And completely unrelated: Is "Scots" a language or just a dialect?
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 9 04:00:42 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 9 03:14:10 2008. EUPM took over from the UN in Bosnia several years ago and things got much better. They will do better job then the UN in Kosovo too.The UN sucks at these things. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 9 04:18:46 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 9 04:00:42 2008. EUPM took over from the UN in Bosnia several years ago and things got much betterFor whom, though? Serbs are still getting a hard time there. Don't expect the EU to ever leave or allow Bosnia to self-govern. Stuff like EUPM and EULEX are at the very heart of what Russia did last August. Yes, the UN is ineffective (which I've been pointing out a number of times myself). But that's due to its inherent flaws, which manifested for the first time back in 1947. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 9 04:35:59 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 9 04:18:46 2008. For whom, though? Serbs are still getting a hard time there. Don't expect the EU to ever leave or allow Bosnia to self-govern.Things are not perfect but the UN Police sucked really bad. EUPM was a great improvement for everyone including the Serbs. They wouldn't want the UN back if you paid them $5000 apiece. Stuff like EUPM and EULEX are at the very heart of what Russia did last August. Agreed. Yes, the UN is ineffective (which I've been pointing out a number of times myself). But that's due to its inherent flaws, which manifested for the first time back in 1947. Policing is something that they do very badly however there are some thing that they do very well. UNHCR, UN Mine Action, IAEA, FAO, UNICEF and WHO come to mind. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Dec 10 00:52:21 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 9 04:35:59 2008. Yeah and I'm sure like 22% of those funds came from the US, if not for us would they be able to maintain all of the above? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 10 01:12:27 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 9 04:35:59 2008. Gotta disagree about IAEA, WADR. They ain't doing too much about Iran. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 10 01:14:59 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Grand concourse on Wed Dec 10 00:52:21 2008. EU's been sucking the US dry when it comes to NATO "missions" in the Balkans. Look who it was that destabilized Yugoslavia to begin with . . . |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Dec 10 01:19:51 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 10 01:14:59 2008. The UN owes the US for that downed F117 and not to mention the Russians now having their hands on the parts of the plane including the radar absorbing material? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 10 01:38:36 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Grand concourse on Wed Dec 10 01:19:51 2008. The UN owes the US a pile. They should be paying us instead of the other way around. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Dec 10 01:51:00 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 10 01:38:36 2008. They should relocate to anywhere but NYC. And totally let the other countries [maybe the Mid East countries] pick up the tab. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 10 02:01:33 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Grand concourse on Wed Dec 10 01:51:00 2008. They give everything that they've taken from us back, first. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 10 02:56:07 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 10 01:12:27 2008. Gotta disagree about IAEA, WADR. They ain't doing too much about Iran.Actually given the situation, they are the only ones keeping tabs. Without them, Iran's nuclear progam would be a complete "unknown unknown" rather then a partial "known unknown". Their mission cannot extend beyond what existing treaties or relevant Security Council resolutions authorize. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 10 03:01:20 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 10 02:56:07 2008. There's quite a few other intelligence groups keeping tabs on Iran's nuke program as well. It's not fair to imply (by omission) that Shin Bet, Mossad and Aman are not engaged in this as far as they can be, too. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 10 03:07:21 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Grand concourse on Wed Dec 10 00:52:21 2008. Yeah and I'm sure like 22% of those funds came from the US, if not for us would they be able to maintain all of the above?The quality of those organizations would hardly be effected by the 22% that we contribute to the General Fund. The organizations I mentioned are funded seperately and the US contributes an even bigger amount to the ones that have historically been a better force multiplier then direct US foreign aid. UNICEF and WHO are headed by Americans. The UN Develepoment Programme and the World Bank are also traditionally headed by Americans appointed by the US President and also funded seperately. The 22% is mainly for the run-of-the-mill UN bureaucracy in NY and Geneva and a few other places which is very wasteful and corrupt. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 10 04:03:25 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 10 03:07:21 2008. Thanks for mentioning the World Bank. Where's that money that we lent Japan for the Shinkansen network?
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 10 04:18:07 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 10 03:01:20 2008. Everybody is covertly engaged in this. The IAEA is the only overt group that can corroborate (or not) what intelligence agencies have on tab. IAEA is extremely useful. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 10 04:22:27 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 10 04:03:25 2008. They've been lending us trillions since the 80's. We should be grateful. No money from Japan...no tax cuts for the rich...no wars...no superpower status. We'd be Germany. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 10 07:20:05 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 10 04:22:27 2008. We need to look away from isolation by making every country our enemy. It kills the sale of our products and destabilizes the world too. As you point out, we also need to remember where our borrowed funding is coming from.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 10 14:01:52 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 10 04:22:27 2008. They've been lending us trillions since the 80's. We should be gratefulThey still owe us. We let the lid off them, all bets are off. (It's ironic how they could still afford to buy US treasuries during their deflation, though, isn't it?) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Dec 11 01:39:41 2008, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 10 07:20:05 2008. Indeed. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 11 02:25:33 2008, in response to EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 27 02:03:20 2008. Well, might as well create a new branch for this. First official day of EULEX, and there are protests. Armbands reading "EU Police" are visible and don't expect them to leave without being forced out . . . (reading the other articles in this thread, one will get a background of the corruption behind all this)VOA News
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 20 10:22:31 2009, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 11 02:25:33 2008. Boris Tadic, president of Serbia (and a friendlier one to the EU than his predecessor), calls Kosovo a "failed state".Balkan Insight
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Feb 21 02:33:29 2009, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 20 10:22:31 2009. Tadic is right. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 21 09:55:07 2009, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by SMAZ on Sat Feb 21 02:33:29 2009. I had the same thought myself. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 27 20:58:03 2009, in response to EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 27 02:03:20 2008. Here we go again. Push the Serbs for no reason and they will push back. So much for "independence" . . . this is EULEX at their totalitarian best.Deutsche Welle
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 1 17:30:51 2009, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 27 20:58:03 2009. And a new round of violence.Deutsche Welle
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 20 03:51:45 2009, in response to EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 27 02:03:20 2008. This is a nice new chapter in friendly relations . . . the ethnic Albanians control the power company and cut the juice to the ethnic Serbs. (Nice of the EU to let this happen; shows their true mindset.)Tanjug via B92 News
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 29 02:03:39 2009, in response to EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 27 02:03:20 2008. Uh-oh. More trouble in paradise. The Kosovans are starting to see what the EU's up to; they are not liking EULEX, and they're seeing that their independence with EULEX there isn't independence after all. (And funny enough, with Serbia now cozying up to the EU, they're getting more control over their former territory. Funny, indeed; but that's what happens when you build empires.)EU Observer
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 19 20:05:26 2009, in response to EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 27 02:03:20 2008. Kosovo's coalition government just went down.Reuters
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 17 13:40:00 2009, in response to EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 27 02:03:20 2008. Uh-oh. Some shens involving Thaci's links to the mob are coming back to embarrass both Berlin and EULEX . . . (sex slavery, assassinations, witness intimidations, real estate scams; the EU's really shaping up to be a real beacon of freedom, eh?)GFP
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 23 23:34:19 2010, in response to EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 27 02:03:20 2008. This report from german-foreign-policy.com is very ironically titled, quoting a Bundeswehr brigadier general. Stories of German-supported corruption, squalid conditions, forced trade deficits, and even reports of deporting gypsies out of Berlin to Kosovo (where have we heard stuff like that before?) . . . not a very pretty situation.
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 24 01:27:16 2010, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 23 23:34:19 2010.
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 24 01:37:59 2010, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 24 01:27:16 2010. Thanks for making me feel like Winston Churchill. I have indeed gotten a sense of what he was up against in Parliament. The gypsies thank you. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 24 01:50:49 2010, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 24 01:37:59 2010. I'm sure your right wing friends will be glad to follow you into battle since you're quite clear on the value of the left, who would have otherwise been sympathetic. However, if this issue is so important to you (and I don't doubt your sincerity) why bother with OTchat. When a cause is important, one is best to put their effort into platforms where there's enough of an audience to make it worth the time. Praching to the choir buys nothing ... just a thought. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 25 15:39:21 2010, in response to Re: EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 24 01:50:49 2010. Great way of saying that you're all for the mistreatment of the gypsies. Being FOS is not a way of life, so stop trying to make it one. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 3 18:39:23 2010, in response to EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 27 02:03:20 2008. Uh-oh. EULEX has to try to backpedal and clean up its image after having the whistle blown on 'em. Smugglers in their own ranks got busted . . . (and they have the nerve to cry about lacking personnel, which means they really want to be entrenched)EU Observer
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 10 12:55:15 2010, in response to EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 27 02:03:20 2008. Yup, here's the next step: total EU recognition of Kosovo. Rather like how Germany recognized the independence of Croatia and Slovenia back in 1991 and instigated the war in Bosnia as a result.(The EU has an "Enlargement Commissioner". Imagine if the USA had a "Secretary for New Statehoods"?—we'd be accused of imperialism or something, but the EU gets a free pass even though Barroso called the EU an "Empire" three years ago. It's also hilarious that EULEX is suddenly a "rule of law mission" when der Spiegel clearly noted that it had little legal backing when it started and "insinuated itself" into Kosovo back in August of 2008.) EurActiv
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 21 23:34:42 2010, in response to EU Taking Over Kosovo (from UN), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 27 02:03:20 2008. That is the question; whether 'tis nobler in the mind et cetera. What a mistake for the USA to recognize Kosovo's independence, which benefits nobody but the EU.Hilarious that there's even a "World Court" to begin with, not that the ICJ really is one; although a lot of SCOTUS decisions do need to be appealed to some power higher than it (but not to the ICJ). Reuters
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 24 16:21:02 2010, in response to Could World Court ruling on Kosovo encourage separatist movements globally . . . ?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 21 23:34:42 2010. Well, the ICJ done did it. Imagine how far-reaching this is going to be, eh? Stability, bye-bye, unless of course you are looking to build an empire in earnest. Congrats to the UN for contributing to the death of world peace once more.Reuters
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