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Posted by MJF on Fri Nov 14 18:18:51 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by Charles G on Fri Nov 14 16:27:16 2008. Only their baseball team. :-) |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Nov 14 18:19:26 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Nov 14 16:59:39 2008. We really need one of the fancy touch-screen maps that CNN overuses... |
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Posted by MJF on Fri Nov 14 18:25:21 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Nov 14 18:17:00 2008. I drove through there back in 2004.Have you ever done the drive down the Pacific Coast Highway? I made that trip that year as well. I spent 3 weeks in California that summer. Went to a wedding in Oakland, rented a car and drove down the PCH to San Diego to visit my brother-in-law. That was a FANTASTIC trip. One of the best vacations I ever had. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Nov 14 18:30:19 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 14 18:08:51 2008. The "smile" appeals to follow the fall line where all the cities are located.Except that, at least in Georgia, it also contains several counties that still follow the geology, but aren't urban in the least. Weird. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 14 18:39:12 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 14 00:55:05 2008. No, it means that people, not acres or trees decide elections. Look at the cartograms Selkirk posted. |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Fri Nov 14 18:42:01 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by Easy on Fri Nov 14 01:12:12 2008. Alot of retirees from the north east have relocated to North Carolina (my Aunt included) due to the low taxes and large properties for descent prices. |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Fri Nov 14 18:43:45 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 14 14:36:39 2008. Ouch! My head hurts... |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Fri Nov 14 18:44:46 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by MJF on Fri Nov 14 18:13:14 2008. Sexist |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 14 18:48:11 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Nov 14 18:30:19 2008. such as? |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Fri Nov 14 18:48:18 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 14 13:51:26 2008. Alot of those refugees might not have been able to vote particularly if they don't have a permanent address anymore. :-( |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Fri Nov 14 18:52:27 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by MJF on Fri Nov 14 18:25:21 2008. I did Decker Canyon Road....that was a NIGHTMARE! A narrow, winding road through the palisades. It's used as a shortcut from the coast to north L.A. My friend did the driving while I nearly wet my pants! It's the place where they film cars going over the edge of a cliff....that was back in the 80's. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 14 18:55:33 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by BMT Guy on Fri Nov 14 18:43:45 2008. Too many ravioli-o's. :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 14 18:58:01 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by MJF on Fri Nov 14 18:25:21 2008. I have to totally agree. My favorite drive. I love California. I will be in SoCal this coming winter for a few weeks. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 14 19:06:16 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Nov 14 18:19:26 2008. LOL!!!! |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Nov 14 19:43:13 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 14 18:48:11 2008. Looking at the data for Georgia: Talbot, Stewart, Quitman, Randolph, Clay, Calhoun, Dooly, Macon*, Hancock**, Taliaferro, Warren, and Jefferson counties. And that's excluding Sumter, Peach, Baldwin, and Washington counties that are only in the vaguest sense urban.* Not to be confused with the city of Macon, which is in Bibb County. Interestingly enough, Oglethorpe, the county seat of Macon County, is massively shrunken from its peak. ** This result was IMMENSE. And the juxtaposition to Glascock County, one of McCain's strongest in Georgia, just makes it look even stranger. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Nov 14 19:43:34 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by MJF on Fri Nov 14 18:25:21 2008. The PCH is great, except when there's too much traffic on the Santa Monica portion. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Nov 14 19:44:20 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by AlM on Fri Nov 14 14:07:28 2008. Must have been close. I remember that NYT map had SLC blue on election night, but it switched to red the next day as more votes were counted. I'm sure the final percentages are still there. |
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Posted by Parkchester (East 177th St) on Fri Nov 14 19:45:37 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Nov 14 17:28:19 2008. The most I have on hand is an analysis (from last year) by Michael Barone, in an opinion from the Wall Street Journal. Here's the link:DEMOGRAPHY IS DESTINY The Realignment of America |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Nov 14 19:48:24 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by MJF on Fri Nov 14 18:25:21 2008. Yes. I did that drive once. Nice drive. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Nov 14 19:53:32 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Nov 14 19:43:34 2008. The next time that you're in Long Beach you should try heading across the Vincent Thomas Bridge to San Pedro and drive around Palos Verdes, Portuguese Bend, etc. along the coast if you haven't done that already. Not very long, but pretty scenic views of the Pacific. Then you can head up PCH through Redondo, Hermosa, Manhattan, etc. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Nov 14 19:56:41 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by MJF on Fri Nov 14 18:25:21 2008. The part from SF to San Luis Obispo is cool. Monterey, Carmel, Hearst Castle, SLO, etc. Then you have to get on the 101 fwy most of the rest of the way to Santa Barbara (another cool town). The part from LA south isn't all that great IMO. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Nov 14 20:11:46 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by Parkchester (East 177th St) on Fri Nov 14 19:45:37 2008. I've found this article, which gives:TX +4 AZ, FL +2 GA, OR, NC, NV, SC, UT +1 CA, IA, IL, LA, MA, MI, MO, MN, NJ, PA -1 OH, NY -2 The effect of which would be (based on the 2008 result, presuming that John McCain has indeed won MO) a net gain of seven electors for the GOP. That might become eight if the law gets changed in Nebraska to stop Obamaha ever happening again. It's hardly a massive shift. What might be interesting would be if all states used the present Nebraska system -- the election would have been a lot closer. |
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Posted by MJF on Fri Nov 14 20:26:51 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by BMT Guy on Fri Nov 14 18:52:27 2008. Heh. Next time stay on the main road. :-) |
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Posted by MJF on Fri Nov 14 20:29:23 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Nov 14 19:43:34 2008. I didn't get jammed up down there. In fact we stopped for lunch in Santa Monica. The worst thing about driving on the PCH is getting stuck behind a slow-moving motor home in the one lane section going through the mountains. |
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Posted by MJF on Fri Nov 14 20:34:24 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 14 18:58:01 2008. 2004 was my last time in California. My b-i-l has told us he's putting his condo in La Jolla on the market. It looks like we're losing our free accomodations. :-( We'll really miss going to SoCal.I would like our next California vacation to be Carmel/Monterrey. We made an overnight stop in Carmel during our drive down the PCH. Didn't really get to spend enough time in that area and I would like to spend more time at Hearst Castle. We took the introductory tour and didn't come close to seeing the entire mansion. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Nov 14 20:37:40 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by MJF on Fri Nov 14 20:34:24 2008. Not really a good time to be selling a condo in most places. La Jolla may be different. |
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Posted by MJF on Fri Nov 14 20:48:49 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by Easy on Fri Nov 14 19:56:41 2008. Yep. That's exactly what we thought. We stayed in Carmel the first night. It's a very nice little town. The next day, a stop at Nepenthe (an old hippie hangout on the mountain with an AWESOME VIEW) in Big Sur for lunch, a tour of Hearst Castle and we stayed in San Luis Obispo the second night. That stop wasn't necessary as it was close enough to our third night's stopover, Santa Barbara, another cool place.I remember we got lost south of SLO. The road isn't well marked and we ended up going through the town of Guadalupe. We passed through a lot of farmland (looked like grapes were being raised around that area). We got to see an area we never would have seen from Route 1. Eventually we found our way back to the PCH north of Santa Barbara, where it becomes US 101, IIRC. We set aside 3 days to travel from San Francisco to San Diego along the PCH. Had we not planned to stop at Hearst Castle, we could have eliminated the stop in San Luis Obispo and just stayed in Carmel and Santa Barbara. But I don't regret it and hope to make the drive again one day, maybe going south to north this time. Also, make sure you don't have to stop for gas at the one gas station in Big Sur. In 2004 they were already charging $3.17 a gallon for regular when most gas stations in CA. were charging $2.17. They said they get a delivery only once a week due to being in the middle of nowhere |
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Posted by MJF on Fri Nov 14 20:52:31 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by Easy on Fri Nov 14 20:37:40 2008. The market is soft in LaJolla. His place has lost value. Maybe $60,000. He can't afford to live out there anymore and is contemplating a move back east, possibly North Carloina. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Nov 14 20:54:09 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Nov 14 10:25:17 2008. Are they FISCAL conservatives, however? |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Nov 14 21:58:11 2008, in response to Pacifi Coast Highway (was 2008 Election Map), posted by MJF on Fri Nov 14 20:48:49 2008. If you went through Guadalupe you went the right way.I like that area too. The beaches just south of Pismo are ridiculously wide. Almost a mile in some spots. Usually a half mile. There's a hotel called the Madonna Inn just south of SLO that supposedly has really elaborate urinals. I've been to the area many times, but never stopped in. They're supposed to be something special and worth holding it in for a few miles. SLO is a pretty cool college town. I've stopped at Hearst Castle twice, but never had a reservation for a tour so I've only seen the movies and stuff up front. I've been to Big Sur. It's okay. There are so many spots like that in California (and better), I'm not sure why it's so famous. I also like to stop at Morro Bay when I drive that route. I find it cool for some reason. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Nov 14 22:03:38 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by MJF on Fri Nov 14 20:52:31 2008. North Carolina is okay, but overrated. Most of the south is overrated IMO although for sure some parts are very cool. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Nov 14 22:27:32 2008, in response to 2008 Election Map by County, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 14 00:47:07 2008. this is a good map. now i know where to avoid. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Nov 14 22:29:57 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 14 16:11:31 2008. However, I'm sure that other Republicans didn't just edge out Arizona. (McCain won AZ by less than 6 percent.) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Nov 14 22:30:53 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by Dand124 on Fri Nov 14 16:44:32 2008. But did race cost Harold Ford the election in 2006 (to replace a retiring Bill Frist)? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Nov 14 22:33:24 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 14 13:50:00 2008. It might be because McCain chose a social conservative, when most of those suburbanites are FISCAL conservatives, if they are Republican. Choosing Sarah Palin as the running mate was the final nail in the coffin for those fiscal conservatives. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Nov 14 22:36:52 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by AlM on Fri Nov 14 08:23:55 2008. AZ is just undergoing an overall Dem revolution that Colorado already underwent. For the first time in a long time, and possibly ever, the majority of Arizona's House delegation is Democrat (5 Dems and 3 GOP).As such, this s probably McCain's final term (Obama could accelerate that), and probably the end for Jon Kyl before long. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Nov 14 22:39:44 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by MJF on Fri Nov 14 18:18:51 2008. No actually...southern Ohio usually goes Republican, and northern Ohio goes Democrat. It is Columbus and Dayton that flips the state. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Nov 14 22:40:15 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Nov 14 16:59:39 2008. That is VERY uncharacteristic for that city. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Nov 14 22:40:37 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Nov 14 18:19:26 2008. Oh no you didn't! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 14 22:58:41 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Nov 14 20:11:46 2008. That's the only fault I see with the EC. I like the EC, however, the one thing I see wrong is that no matter how much or little a candidate wins a state, it's weighed the same, and winner takes all. For example, it doesn't matter if a candidate wins the state by 51 to 49 (as some states were), or 80 to 20. |
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Posted by MJF on Fri Nov 14 23:24:39 2008, in response to Re: Pacifi Coast Highway (was 2008 Election Map), posted by Easy on Fri Nov 14 21:58:11 2008. Does the PCH through Guadalupe actually go through the center of town? Stop signs, traffic lights and the like? Does the PCH lose it's Route 1 designation there?I thought for sure we made a wrong turn. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Nov 15 00:09:14 2008, in response to Re: Pacifi Coast Highway (was 2008 Election Map), posted by MJF on Fri Nov 14 23:24:39 2008. Yup. You can see it on the google map.View Larger Map |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Nov 15 01:57:45 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 14 16:50:26 2008. hahahaha!! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Nov 15 03:03:49 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 14 16:06:56 2008. KC (Jackson Co )went blue. So did St Louis City and St Louis County (two seperate entities) as well as Memphis (Shelby Co), Houston (Harris Co) and Dallas County. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Nov 15 03:08:04 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by SMAZ on Sat Nov 15 03:03:49 2008. Blue cities are everywhere, it's the red ones that are rare. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Nov 15 03:36:01 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by Easy on Sat Nov 15 03:08:04 2008. Blue cities are everywhere, it's the red ones that are rare.Yep. The GOP has essentially been run out of cities. I don't see how they can build a lasting coalition without making some inroads there. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 15 04:10:42 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by SMAZ on Sat Nov 15 03:36:01 2008. They won't, lest they turn off their HICK constituents ... geez ... look at PALIN. :(JESUS is NOT a republican, though they PLAY him on teevee. :( 
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Nov 15 07:26:23 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Nov 14 22:29:57 2008. I am saying he may have lost it had he not been from there. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Nov 15 09:30:37 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Nov 14 22:27:32 2008. this is a good map. now i know where to avoidI guess you're lucky you don't live in Pinellas, Hillsborough, or Orange Counties. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Nov 15 19:37:01 2008, in response to Re: 2008 Election Map by County, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 15 04:10:42 2008. hahaha. There are some in the GOP that could actually pull it off like Gov Crist of FL but I doubt that the Supply-Side Jeezuz crowd would allow him the nomination. |
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