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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by BMT Guy on Sun Oct 26 10:54:34 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Oct 26 07:28:50 2008.

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According to the right wingers it is! LOL!

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Oct 26 11:17:19 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 26 07:29:51 2008.

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Did McCain go to Hagee's church for twenty years? Did McCain say Hagee was his spiritual inspiration? Write a book inspired by Hagee?

John and Cindy were married by Hagee. McCain "disavowed" Hagee after the bad press came out, much as Obama did with Wright.

Rod Parsley is McCain's "spiritual advisor."

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 26 14:31:11 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Oct 26 11:17:19 2008.

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John and Cindy were married by Hagee

Source?

Hagee's church is in San Antonio, TX, not Phoenix AZ.

McCain "disavowed" Hagee after the bad press came out, much as Obama did with Wright

No, it was completely different.

Rod Parsley is McCain's "spiritual advisor."

Bunk. McCain called Parsley "a spiritual guide", not his spiritual advisor.

McCain's been living in AZ for decades; Parsley's church is in OH. McCain has stated already for the record that he's never been in the churches of either Hagee or Parsley.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 26 14:36:18 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Oct 25 14:29:56 2008.

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At least I got one.

And when all is said and done, you're the one defending a terrorist. Ayers would have splattered your guts against the wall just as readily as he (accidentally?) splattered his girlfriend's guts with a (misfiring?) bomb.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 26 14:39:25 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Oct 25 22:19:38 2008.

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Seems like anyone who doesn't agree with the Dems this election season is a "Republican". Real inclusive bunch, right?

(This is why I hated the Neocons, because back in '04, anyone who disagreed with them was a "loony lefty Dummycrap terrorist-loving gay Marxist". Of course, the hardcore Leftists in the DNC behaved just like them, back then as well.)

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Oct 26 15:45:24 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 26 14:36:18 2008.

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Its not the Dick your missing , its just that you got no Balls.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 15:53:24 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by BMT Guy on Sun Oct 26 10:54:34 2008.

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He must have some reason to say, "Obama is the Messiah".
And then of course, Obama's church, last year gave its highest award to Farrakhan.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 15:57:08 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Oct 26 07:22:50 2008.

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20 year relationship? No.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 16:08:02 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Oct 26 11:17:19 2008.

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Trying to manufature a "Wright" person and his fanatical church, on the other side that would somehow conteract that lunatic??


John and Cindy were married by Hagee.

I haven't been able to find out anything about Hagee marrying them. All I found was:

John and Cindy were married in a formal ceremony on May 17, 1980 in Phoenix, Arizona. Cindy wore a long, white wedding gown and John dressed in a formal tuxedo.
The best man at their wedding was Sen. William Cohen and Sen. Gary Hart was an usher.

Cindy and John honeymooned in Hawaii.


I am going to have to see some proof on that claim. And even if it was true (which I can't find evidence of, but will give you the benefit of the doubt), he didn't attend Hagee's church for 20 years.


McCain "disavowed" Hagee after the bad press came out, much as Obama did with Wright.


Not even close. McCain hasn't been attending his church for 20 years prior to that day, and then all of a sudden claim he had no idea that that is the way his pastor spoke. Please.

Rod Parsley is McCain's "spiritual advisor."


And that lunatic Wright was Obama's for 20 years.




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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 16:09:30 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 26 07:41:04 2008.

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Haha. Notice they shut him up ever since the controversy began. We will be seeing a lot more of Wright once again once November 6th rolls around. Mark my words (yes, that means "guarantee") on that.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 16:10:13 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Oct 26 08:49:28 2008.

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Oh no?

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by MJF on Sun Oct 26 20:12:31 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 26 14:31:11 2008.

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Bunk. McCain called Parsley "a spiritual guide", not his spiritual advisor.

Semantics. What's the difference between a spiritual guide and a spiritual advisor?


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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:06:57 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 26 07:38:21 2008.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:07:52 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by MJF on Sun Oct 26 20:12:31 2008.

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Wright's Trinity Church:



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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 26 21:12:36 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:06:57 2008.

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That was a sermon?

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by Easy on Sun Oct 26 21:21:24 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:07:52 2008.

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Maybe more appropriate for a comedy club than a church, but it was funny. Or maybe it was hurtful if anyone takes that seriously. Does anyone?

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:24:36 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 26 21:12:36 2008.

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I think it was supposed to be. I don't know what it really is though. What an asshole. This was a guest speaker at Obama's church.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:26:00 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by Easy on Sun Oct 26 21:21:24 2008.

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But it wasn't meant to be comedy. If it wasn't so serious that this was Obama's church for 20 years, I would be able to laugh. THIS is guest speaker at Rev. Wright's church.....the church that Obama sat in for 20 years....

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 26 21:26:47 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:06:57 2008.

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I'm aware of Pfleger ... so I suppose the question then comes down to "does the crazy minister matter" or is it "they're not running for President or Vice President?" Palin on the other hand ... IS ...

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by Edwards! on Sun Oct 26 21:28:57 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:26:00 2008.

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Yeah..where the partor told the TRUTH!

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by Easy on Sun Oct 26 21:31:29 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:26:00 2008.

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Well he's Catholic and isn't a member of Trinity. And neither is Obama. Obama left when he found out about these controversial sermons.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 26 21:31:53 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:24:36 2008.

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He was much more than a guest speaker.

He was a fundraiser for Obama. And his church received six-figures from Obama when Obama took office.

He was one of the leaders of the "Catholics for Obama" group until Obama had to fire him.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 26 21:34:06 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by Easy on Sun Oct 26 21:31:29 2008.

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Wrong. Obama found out 20 years ago, and wrote a book based on the sermons.

"White folds greed runs a world in need". It's in Obama's book. So he knew all along.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:36:32 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by Easy on Sun Oct 26 00:26:43 2008.

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I would expect that the large majority of his sermons are more traditional.

Can you provide proof of this?
As I said, I am friends with an AME Church minister, and he was absolutely horrified about the Rev. Wright. The minister I know, now THAT is a minister. THAT is a good man. THAT is a man I can look up to that puts his congregation and GOD in front of him. He works for the betterment of people, and for the poor. The man works his fingers to the bone trying to help the less fortunate, and to preach GOD's word.
What the asshole at Trinity "Church" does is try and advance his political agenda. Politics has NO PLACE whatsoever at all in a church. And that goes for his lunatic Catholic "priest" guest speaker, Fr Pfleger too. Lunatics.



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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:37:31 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by Easy on Sun Oct 26 00:36:46 2008.

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Was every sermon videotaped?

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:39:22 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by Easy on Sun Oct 26 00:48:12 2008.

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And yes I think that all or nearly all of the sermons were recorded.





You "think"? Can you please provide us with some more sermons? If that wa sthe truth, the left would have rolled out hours of "normal" sermons from this man. Where are they? 20 years worth, as remember, Obama never heard Wright speak like that.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:40:37 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by Easy on Sun Oct 26 01:34:43 2008.

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How come last week it was 10 points though?

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by Easy on Sun Oct 26 21:41:37 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:36:32 2008.

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The only proof that I offer is that all of the sermons were taped and sold on their website, yet all we hear are the same few soundbites over and over.

Politics has NO PLACE whatsoever at all in a church.

That's your opinion. Many churchgoers disagree. I don't go to church, but I disagree as well. Catholic priests are always marching for illegal immigrant rights in LA and take their entire congregations with them.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:42:20 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 26 01:46:27 2008.

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Obama has spent more on advertising than any candidate in history. Received more positive coverage than anyone in history.

Yup, not only has he spent more money than any other candidate ever (remember, he is working for the poor), he also is the first candidate in history that hasn't had to answer to the media, as the media hasn't called him on anything. He gets a free pass on every controversial item that comes his way. No time in history has that ever happened.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:43:21 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 26 00:34:43 2008.

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You will see the "Reverend" Wright reappear on November 5th.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by Easy on Sun Oct 26 21:44:29 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:39:22 2008.

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I'm saying that these few sermons are all there are. It's up to you to prove that there are more. The only way that I could ever prove my point would be to provide you with every sermon Wright ever gave. OTOH you only need to find one more to prove me wrong.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by Easy on Sun Oct 26 21:45:03 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:40:37 2008.

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I give up. Why was it 10 points last week?

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:45:10 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 26 21:26:47 2008.

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And Obama, who sat in that insane asylum of a church for 20 years is running for the number one job.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 26 21:45:39 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:39:22 2008.

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"Audacity of Hope", Obama's book, was inspired by a speech that included the quote, "White folks need runs a world in need".

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 26 21:46:32 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:37:31 2008.

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Many were. They have mysteriously been pulled from the TUCC website, which used to sell them to generate money.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by Easy on Sun Oct 26 21:47:26 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:42:20 2008.

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Yup, not only has he spent more money than any other candidate ever (remember, he is working for the poor)

LOL! People give him money for the campaign with the intent that he spend it. What are you suggesting?

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:48:09 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by Easy on Sun Oct 26 21:31:29 2008.

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Well he's Catholic and isn't a member of Trinity.


Uhhh, he was invited to make sermons at Trinity, because obviously they thought he had something good to say.

And neither is Obama. Obama left when he found out about these controversial sermons

My God, you really are hypmotized too. He sat there for TWENTY years, and only found out about the "controversial sermons" when they were aired on TV? Come on. Don't insult my intelligence....or yours for that matter by actually typing that.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by Easy on Sun Oct 26 21:48:29 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:43:21 2008.

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??? He already retired from his church.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 26 21:48:36 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:42:20 2008.

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But they are starting too. A reported in Orlando blew Biden away with questions the other.

Washington Post had an article on campaign contributions.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by Easy on Sun Oct 26 21:49:10 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:45:10 2008.

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And winning! Don't forget the winning.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by Easy on Sun Oct 26 21:49:55 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:48:09 2008.

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Well I typed that tongue in cheek. That is pretty much what Obama said though.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 26 21:51:17 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by Easy on Sun Oct 26 21:48:29 2008.

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He's there part-time.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by Easy on Sun Oct 26 21:52:35 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 26 21:51:17 2008.

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But he's not going to be in the public eye. He may turn up as a paid speaker at some places, but that's about it.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:53:55 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by Easy on Sun Oct 26 21:41:37 2008.

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The only proof that I offer is that all of the sermons were taped and sold on their website, yet all we hear are the same few soundbites over and over.

Funny how we never heard ONE sermon that was "normal" aside from those "soundbites".

Catholic priests are always marching for illegal immigrant rights in LA and take their entire congregations with them.


Oh Pahhhleesse. While I don't go to church anymore, I am Catholic, and went every week for my first 25 years. I have never ONCE heard ANYTHING political from the pulpit. Nothing. EVER. And I had belonged to several Catholic Churches, depending on where I was living at the time.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:56:02 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by Easy on Sun Oct 26 21:44:29 2008.

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It's not up to me to prove there are more. We have plenty showing that it'a a lunatic church. You are the one trying to say it's not, and claim there are "plenty" of normal sermons out there. After all, the lunatic ones we have were the anormality according to you.
I am asking for ONE. That's all. out of 20 years of sermons that Obama attended, there has to be ONE that proves that all the lunatic ones are not the norm.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by Easy on Sun Oct 26 21:56:36 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:53:55 2008.

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I've been to a mass where information was passed out regarding a pending abortion proposition. They made sure that everyone knew the church's stance even though they didn't discuss it at all.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:56:56 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:39:22 2008.

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Where are they? 20 years worth, as remember, Obama never heard Wright speak like that.

LOL, and you believe that.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by Easy on Sun Oct 26 21:58:37 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:56:02 2008.

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Just to make sure that I understand. You are saying that if I find you ONE then you will agree that the sermons that we've heard weren't representative of their normal sermons?

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by Easy on Sun Oct 26 21:59:21 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:56:56 2008.

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If you're talking to me, no I don't believe that.

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Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Oct 26 21:59:31 2008, in response to Re: Reporter confronts Ayers! LOL, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Oct 26 21:46:32 2008.

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"Mysteriously" of course....until the election is over. If they were "normal" non controversial sermons, they would have left them up to prove that all the claims were false.

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