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If true, Obama should be shot for treason |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 15 13:14:07 2008 http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.htm?page=0OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIS' IRAQ WITHDRAWAL WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence. According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July. "He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview. Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion." "However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says. Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate. While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined. Obama has made many contradictory statements with regard to Iraq. His latest position is that US combat troops should be out by 2010. Yet his effort to delay an agreement would make that withdrawal deadline impossible to meet. Supposing he wins, Obama's administration wouldn't be fully operational before February - and naming a new ambassador to Baghdad and forming a new negotiation team might take longer still. By then, Iraq will be in the throes of its own campaign season. Judging by the past two elections, forming a new coalition government may then take three months. So the Iraqi negotiating team might not be in place until next June. Then, judging by how long the current talks have taken, restarting the process from scratch would leave the two sides needing at least six months to come up with a draft accord. That puts us at May 2010 for when the draft might be submitted to the Iraqi parliament - which might well need another six months to pass it into law. Thus, the 2010 deadline fixed by Obama is a meaningless concept, thrown in as a sop to his anti-war base. Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and the Bush administration have a more flexible timetable in mind. According to Zebari, the envisaged time span is two or three years - departure in 2011 or 2012. That would let Iraq hold its next general election, the third since liberation, and resolve a number of domestic political issues. Even then, the dates mentioned are only "notional," making the timing and the cadence of withdrawal conditional on realities on the ground as appreciated by both sides. Iraqi leaders are divided over the US election. Iraqi President Jalal Talabani (whose party is a member of the Socialist International) sees Obama as "a man of the Left" - who, once elected, might change his opposition to Iraq's liberation. Indeed, say Talabani's advisers, a President Obama might be tempted to appropriate the victory that America has already won in Iraq by claiming that his intervention transformed failure into success. Maliki's advisers have persuaded him that Obama will win - but the prime minister worries about the senator's "political debt to the anti-war lobby" - which is determined to transform Iraq into a disaster to prove that toppling Saddam Hussein was "the biggest strategic blunder in US history." Other prominent Iraqi leaders, such as Vice President Adel Abdul-Mahdi and Kurdish regional President Massoud Barzani, believe that Sen. John McCain would show "a more realistic approach to Iraqi issues." Obama has given Iraqis the impression that he doesn't want Iraq to appear anything like a success, let alone a victory, for America. The reason? He fears that the perception of US victory there might revive the Bush Doctrine of "pre-emptive" war - that is, removing a threat before it strikes at America. Despite some usual equivocations on the subject, Obama rejects pre-emption as a legitimate form of self -defense. To be credible, his foreign-policy philosophy requires Iraq to be seen as a failure, a disaster, a quagmire, a pig with lipstick or any of the other apocalyptic adjectives used by the American defeat industry in the past five years. Yet Iraq is doing much better than its friends hoped and its enemies feared. The UN mandate will be extended in December, and we may yet get an agreement on the status of forces before President Bush leaves the White House in January. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Sep 15 13:18:30 2008, in response to If true, Obama should be shot for treason, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 15 13:14:07 2008. Lets see i dont see him giving them any "secrets" ...So why make that statement? Sounds to me hes being a "politican" and playing both sides of the fence,like they all do. Your thread title seems a little paraniod.. You can do better than that. |
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Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot for treason |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Sep 15 13:19:23 2008, in response to If true, Obama should be shot for treason, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 15 13:14:07 2008. Title corrected... |
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Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot for treason |
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Posted by Ken S. on Mon Sep 15 13:21:28 2008, in response to Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot for treason, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Sep 15 13:19:23 2008. Unwarranted Personal Attack. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 15 13:26:46 2008, in response to Re: If true, Obama should be shot for treason, posted by Railman718 on Mon Sep 15 13:18:30 2008. So why make that statement?Trying to prolong a war for political reasons....that's treason. |
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Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot for treason |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 15 14:02:34 2008, in response to Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot for treason, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Sep 15 13:19:23 2008. Why? You post left wing swaying stories with the same sort of titles when they suit your needs. Why is it wrong when someone does the same from the opposite perspective? |
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Re: If true, Violence is not good |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Sep 15 14:11:09 2008, in response to Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot for treason, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 15 14:02:34 2008. I don't appreciate Chris' call for the assassination of a candidate he doesn't like. What's more, the Secret Service doesn't like it either. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Sep 15 15:03:38 2008, in response to If true, Obama should be shot for treason, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 15 13:14:07 2008. And the McCain campaign parrots an a Amir Taheri op-ed as "news" on the official campaign website. And whoever transcribed it didn't even understand the headline. What's a "Gis"? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Sep 15 15:50:03 2008, in response to If true, Obama should be shot for treason, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 15 13:14:07 2008. ummm, Talking about shooting a presidential contender could get you arrested. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Sep 15 15:52:16 2008, in response to Re: If true, Obama should be shot for treason, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 15 13:26:46 2008. Answer the rest of the questions, weasel Chrissy the obfuscation master. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Sep 15 15:53:21 2008, in response to Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot for treason, posted by Ken S. on Mon Sep 15 13:21:28 2008. Not at all. |
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Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot, period |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Sep 15 15:55:18 2008, in response to Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot for treason, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 15 14:02:34 2008. yawn.....It's the Chrissy "tag team" in action again. The question is, whos hand is up whos ass? |
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Re: If true, Violence is not good |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Sep 15 15:56:26 2008, in response to Re: If true, Violence is not good, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Sep 15 14:11:09 2008. IAWTP, I just called the SS with his address. |
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Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot, period |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 15 16:12:17 2008, in response to Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot, period, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Sep 15 15:55:18 2008. What the hell is your problem? I have never had a bad word with you in the perhaps 10 years I have been a member here, and now all of a sudden you start this crap? Just because I am for McCain in this election? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Sep 15 16:19:17 2008, in response to Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot, period, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 15 16:12:17 2008. sTRUCK A NERVE,HUH? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 15 16:21:12 2008, in response to Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot, period, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Sep 15 16:19:17 2008. Not at all, I just have no idea why you are starting with me, other than the fact I am pro-McCain. I have never had a bad word with you in the 10 years I have been a member here, so have no idea why you would start this crap now. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Sep 15 16:22:56 2008, in response to Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot, period, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 15 16:21:12 2008. It should be obvious. This is just how he acts. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Sep 15 16:26:11 2008, in response to Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot, period, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Sep 15 15:55:18 2008. Unwarranted personal attack. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Sep 15 16:27:34 2008, in response to Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot for treason, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Sep 15 15:53:21 2008. Yes it is. Stop defending a quack. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Sep 15 16:30:08 2008, in response to Re: If true, Violence is not good, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Sep 15 15:56:26 2008. Lol. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Sep 15 17:14:02 2008, in response to If true, Obama should be shot for treason, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 15 13:14:07 2008. That is completely uncalled for. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Sep 15 17:45:56 2008, in response to Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot for treason, posted by Ken S. on Mon Sep 15 13:21:28 2008. Consider the source. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Sep 15 17:59:52 2008, in response to If true, Obama should be shot for treason, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 15 13:14:07 2008. "Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops"I was told from Subchat that Congress has no authority or power on anything. Second, kinda like copying what Syria and Iran is doing....like McCain said, He's rather lose a war than an election. Maybe he is different. He's worse than Bush. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 15 18:47:33 2008, in response to Re: If true, Obama should be shot for treason, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 15 13:26:46 2008. You mean like Reagan and the Iran hostages? :( |
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Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot, period |
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Posted by R143 on Mon Sep 15 19:07:04 2008, in response to Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot, period, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Sep 15 16:26:11 2008. The democrats just can't take it when people think their beliefs are wrong. They can't help themselves. It's killing them that the Republicans have a much better package than they do in this election, so they have to make themselves feel better by attacking people who don't agree with the Democrat agenda. Sad.The Democrats should be about 20 points ahead this year - this was supposed to be their year - and it was! With the total despising of the current administration out there, it should have been a smooth sailing election - yet they managed to totally f it up. but what else is new, that is one thing they are great at. And they continue! Just look at how they are obsessed with palin, they just can't let her go. They don't know how to handle her, as it was such an excellent choice. |
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Posted by JohnL on Mon Sep 15 19:44:49 2008, in response to Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot, period, posted by R143 on Mon Sep 15 19:07:04 2008. They can't help themselves. It's killing them that the Republicans have a much better package than they do in this election…Where? Sure Palin is better looking than Biden, but the rest of us want policies and substance. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 15 19:46:04 2008, in response to Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot, period, posted by JohnL on Mon Sep 15 19:44:49 2008. I like brunettes, but Palin just doesn't do it for me ... she reminds me of all of those Cinemax naughty librarian movies. :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 15 19:55:50 2008, in response to Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot, period, posted by JohnL on Mon Sep 15 19:44:49 2008. Well then the left (as well as the right) have to attack on the issues. it's the liberal MEDIA and lefist blog sites that have the obsession with the nonsense on Palin. it's taken on a life of it's own. Instead of attacking the opposition with the issues, they are attacking Palin (they also forgot that it's McCain running, not Sarah) on dumb stuff on everything from how she opens her email to how she says "Alaska". It's ludicrous. But don't blame the Republicans for making Palin a "rock star", that was done by the media, and the Democrats themselves because they "can't let her go", as someone else mentioned too. They can't let her go, so they attack on totally nonsensical issues. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Sep 16 01:03:23 2008, in response to Re: If true, Obama should be shot for treason, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 15 13:26:46 2008. Trying to prolong a war for political reasons....that's treason.So why Reagan wasnt tried for it then? A little something happened in Iran during his watch right? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Sep 16 03:49:08 2008, in response to If true, Obama should be shot for treason, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 15 13:14:07 2008. Shouldn't the source answer you question? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Sep 16 05:49:27 2008, in response to Re: If true, Obama should be shot for treason, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Sep 15 15:52:16 2008. Typical, no answer. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Sep 16 05:49:58 2008, in response to Re: If true, Obama should be shot for treason, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 15 18:47:33 2008. heh |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Sep 16 05:50:54 2008, in response to Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot for treason, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Sep 15 16:27:34 2008. lapdog |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Sep 16 05:53:19 2008, in response to Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot, period, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Sep 15 16:22:56 2008. Weasel. We won't get in to how you act. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Sep 16 05:53:58 2008, in response to Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot, period, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Sep 15 16:26:11 2008. hardly. lapdog |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Sep 16 05:56:07 2008, in response to Re: If true, Obama should be shot for treason, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Sep 15 15:50:03 2008. yup, silence. Why don;t you grow a "pair"? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Sep 16 05:57:04 2008, in response to Re: If true, Obama should be shot for treason, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Sep 15 17:14:02 2008. Not to mention, grounds for prosecution. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Sep 16 05:57:27 2008, in response to Re: If true, Obama should be shot for treason, posted by SMAZ on Tue Sep 16 03:49:08 2008. lol |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Sep 16 08:12:29 2008, in response to Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot, period, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 15 19:46:04 2008. LOL |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Sep 16 08:15:45 2008, in response to Re: If true, Chris R16 should be shot, period, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 15 19:46:04 2008. |
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