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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 6 16:43:40 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 6 16:23:50 2008. Are you so sure on that last one? Care to offer up proof to that effect? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 6 16:45:28 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 6 16:40:10 2008. As opposed to the Democrats...yes actually. Am I one of the few people who has NOT benefitted from Bush's tax cuts, and has actually been HURT by it?And if one cuts taxes further...how does one raise needed money? And yes, certain taxes are way too low as they are...I'll leave it to you to figure out which ones. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 6 16:47:31 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 6 16:19:58 2008. And in spite of it...the Democrats will still win, even if by 269-269 with House Democrats selecting Obama. It matters where the people are turned off, and it isn't happening enough in swing states.McCain may well win the popular vote, but look at how far that got Gore. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Sep 6 16:47:37 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 15:37:29 2008. Blogs suck big time. But whereevcer the "source" for your original post on this is certainly not some objective newsource, as it's hogwash.99.9% suck. But there are some highly reliable ones -- for British politics, I read Guy Fawkes, Iain Dale's Diary, and Conservative Home (all, as it happens, distinctly right-of-center, although I occasionally read blogs by Plaid Cymru (the Welsh nationalist party) supporters too). |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 6 16:48:53 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 6 16:45:28 2008. Your premise is based on a flawed understanding of economics, that cutting taxes means decreased revenues. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 6 16:50:53 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 6 16:42:40 2008. You can't prove that assertion, since spending has increased every year taxes were cut. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Sep 6 16:51:37 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 6 16:48:53 2008. It's all about the trickle down. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 6 16:53:31 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 6 16:50:53 2008. And now, I ask you...how do you trust someone who didn't want to lower your taxes to now lower them? Keep in mind McCain voted against the Bush tax cuts back in 2003.And also, is the VP choice supposed to complement the #1 person? If so, how does bloated government complement McCain's wish for the opposite? In short, if it came down to trust...I know what McCain stands for, and I'm frightened. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 6 16:53:39 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 6 16:41:05 2008. Empty words. Another sign a debate is over. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Sep 6 16:53:42 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Sep 6 16:00:28 2008. So who is "Andrew Aucoin"? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 6 16:54:29 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 6 16:48:53 2008. Then why do the major banks disagree with you? They are heavily backing Obama. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 6 16:56:16 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 6 16:53:39 2008. How is it empty? Have you benefited from Bush's tax cuts? I have seen my financial aid get cut as a result of it, and what I get for my tax dollars be less and less. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 6 16:57:18 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 6 16:43:40 2008. Of course I can't prove it. If I (or anyone could) prove it, it couldn't be done. Since I cannot prove it, logic dictates that it must be true. Live long and prosper. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 6 16:57:53 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 6 16:57:18 2008. Logic, however, can be proven, unless it is a pure science you are talking about. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 17:06:09 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Sep 6 16:42:09 2008. ....Oh, so now you are comparing Obama to Adolf Hitler. Okay, I never thought of it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 17:06:57 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 6 16:47:31 2008. Here we go with teh 269 stuff again. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 6 17:07:35 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by Easy on Sat Sep 6 16:51:37 2008. No. You don't have to be a supply sider to understand that if you enact a $100 million tax cut, your revenues won't necessarily be $100 million less as a result. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Sep 6 17:13:35 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 17:06:57 2008. Here we go with teh 269 stuff again.Just wait -- Obama loses the popular vote, wins the 2nd District of Nebraska to get up to 269. Who do we blame: the House or Omaha, Nebraska? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 6 17:31:15 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Sep 6 17:13:35 2008. That would effectively intensify demands to eliminate the Electoral College altogether. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 17:38:37 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 6 17:31:15 2008. But then that would result in the candidates only having to campaign in the big cities, as the people in the small areas or states wouldn't matter. The reason for the electoral college is so that every state is important. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 17:47:12 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 17:38:37 2008. Since when did any of us ever matter in the first place? The ONLY "national candidate" we ever saw around here was Hillary. Twice. Once we actually got to spend a couple of minutes talking to her. Nobody else, other than our gov ... |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 6 18:06:41 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 17:38:37 2008. True...but a candidate can't win based on big cities alone. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 18:51:18 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 17:47:12 2008. Of course, some states are always going to be blue, and others red...but it would be more pronouced if there was no electoral college. There would be NO reason whatsoever to go to the middle "Wyoming" if all the big population areas are all a candidate needs to win. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 18:51:57 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 6 18:06:41 2008. No, but they can win with the big cities and the "bigger" population areas. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 6 19:17:26 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 18:51:18 2008. However, if NY Metro and the rest of NY were separate...that would be another red state. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 19:24:02 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 6 19:17:26 2008. Yes, that is true. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 19:24:26 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 18:51:18 2008. If you really look at how campaigns are conducted these days, it's already like that. After all, TV stations aren't located in Podunk carrying those ads. :)Ever BEEN to Wyoming? I have ... yawn. Heh. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 19:25:58 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 6 19:17:26 2008. Actually, upstate is rapidly changing as far as republicans go - lifelong republicans here and out west have had their fill of being lied to and screwed. Pataki pretty much finished off the party. :(Seriously ... when the results come in in November, check out the demographics. Other than "deep Appalachia" the democrats are taking over. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 19:27:20 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 19:24:26 2008. I bet you can get a good BBQ sandwich there....and perhaps that's about all... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 19:29:03 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 19:25:58 2008. It seems like just yesterday we were looking at the counties map with the 2004 election here. Where the heck did the 4 years go? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 19:38:07 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 19:27:20 2008. Heh. There's a Bubba's BarBQ (same as in Charlotte) in Cheyenne, but most of the BBQ there is beef ... in fact so much beef, they even bake bread with it. Heh. Wyoming is an interesting place - more Mormons than Utah, more Yuppies than the Hamptons, and the women rope and brand ya.Jackson Hole and Laramie are amazingly yuppified though ... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 19:45:40 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 19:29:03 2008. Same place the country did ... :(
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 19:47:18 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 19:38:07 2008. Wyoming is an interesting place - more Mormons than UtahUgh. more Yuppies than the Hamptons, Perhaps even worse. and the women rope and brand ya. Ooooooh, kinky! :) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 6 19:49:10 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 19:29:03 2008. And you wonder why McCain isn't winning Colorado---for that reason, the Hispanic-American vote...demographics have changed a lot from 2004. Where the heck did the 4 years go? |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Sep 6 20:10:44 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 19:24:26 2008. I've been to Wyoming quite a few times. I wouldn't want to live there, but it's not the worst place in the US. Lots of cowboys and what some would call "trailer trash". I didn't see all that many yuppies and I've been to all of their larger "urban" areas. There are lots of Mormons the closer you get to Utah, but it can't have more than Utah. That would be bizarre.Mostly my biggest complaint is that it's just too effin' cold for me. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 20:11:30 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 19:47:18 2008. Heh. The tire irons are red hot, not so the wimmens. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 20:14:32 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by Easy on Sat Sep 6 20:10:44 2008. Heh. The yuppies are up in the hills, they bought all the "big land" so's they could have ranches. Ted Turner, Tom Brokaw, and many many more. As to the Mormons, they're all over the place and in Orem and Salt Lick, there's more Gentiles now than "faithful." And yeah, the mercury DOES dip down there at night ... owoooooo! :) |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Sep 6 20:14:37 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 6 19:17:26 2008. However, if NY Metro and the rest of NY were separate...that would be another red state.Not sure about that -- there's a lot of red in that NY Metro: 
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 20:17:31 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Sep 6 20:14:37 2008. Important things to note about that map - first off, the blue in the middle right is where I am, most of the red on the entire right side is uninhabited (except in summer by non-residents) but the bears have the right to vote (helps the GOP and stops Colbert) and most of the rest of the red is largely uninhabited. Check out a map of congressional districts and it will give you more of an idea of the actual population areas. Then look at how badly Lazio lost. :) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 6 20:22:25 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Sep 6 20:14:37 2008. However...assuming 18M people...NYC (excluding SI) and W'Chester is 8.5M, then you have Buffalo bumping it up to about 9M, then Greater Albany and Syracuse to about 10M and some. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 6 20:22:51 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Sep 6 20:14:37 2008. The city, however, will always ensure a blue case. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Sep 6 20:39:08 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 20:17:31 2008. Important things to note about that map - first off, the blue in the middle right is where I am, most of the red on the entire right side is uninhabited (except in summer by non-residents) but the bears have the right to vote (helps the GOP and stops Colbert) and most of the rest of the red is largely uninhabited.So in post-secession Albania, the Democrats would still win thanks to Buffalo, Smallbany, Syracuse, and Ithaca. Speaking of Ithaca, here's another amusing map:  Check out a map of congressional districts and it will give you more of an idea of the actual population areas. Sadly I can't find a map of Clinton vs Lazio on congressional districts. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 20:44:57 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Sep 6 20:39:08 2008. Hillary is well respected throughout the state because she's actually done her job, and done it well. Curious thing about Ithaca ... aside from the few smoking remains of a Corning Glass plant there, Ithaca is almost entirely full of colleges and universities and thus fits the chosen demographic. If all those students don't come out and actually vote though, Obama might be toast. He's done little to appeal to those over the age of 40 who actually DO come out and vote. :( |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 21:10:44 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Sep 6 20:14:37 2008. That's pretty interesting. It's basically NYC, Albany, and a couple other places that decide NY state is blue. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 21:12:18 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 20:17:31 2008. nd most of the rest of the red is largely uninhabited.I bet the people stuck in traffic on the Long Island Expressway would disagree... :) |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Sep 6 21:20:03 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 21:10:44 2008. The places where most people live I would guess. California's red/blue map would look similar. LA, SF, and a few other coastal areas. The entire rest of the state would be red. But those few areas have most of the population. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Sep 6 21:22:37 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Sep 6 20:14:37 2008. I wonder if our red/blue definitions are confusing for international subchatters. My understanding is that red=left in most of the world. As in communism, red china, etc. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 21:26:45 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 21:12:18 2008. If they're stuck in their cars, they're hardly "habiting." :)Sorry though, up here we consider Long Island to be Connecticut's sand bar sorta like the way folks on Long Island consider upstate as part of Canada. It's all good. (grin) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 6 21:32:59 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by Easy on Sat Sep 6 21:22:37 2008. Nope ... rest assured that the rest of the planet know their color schemes ... republicans go by the color of their necks, and the democrats freeze in the dark because of the price of fuel. :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 6 21:43:34 2008, in response to Re: List Of Books Palin Tried To Have Banned, posted by Easy on Sat Sep 6 21:20:03 2008. Where is the NY map from? Do we have one from California, I would be very interested to see, as I know what you said is true. |
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