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Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 2 13:35:15 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 13:27:12 2008. This issue is not going to make conservatives "vote for Obama" instead.I think Luch is afraid they'll stay home in massive numbers. But I don't think he's right. That is, they may not be as enthused as for Bush, but the Palin choice won't send many over the brink from voting for McCain to staying home. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 13:36:22 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by AlM on Tue Sep 2 13:35:15 2008. I agree. And extreme coservatives aren't going to want Obama to get in, so they will come for McCain....even if some of them may think it's a lesser of two evils choice. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Sep 2 13:44:03 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by AlM on Tue Sep 2 13:27:57 2008. Now it turns out that Palin was a member of the pro-secession Alaska Independence Party in the 1990's.As Rep. Henry Hyde would say, "youthful indiscretion." Her membership in the party over a decade ago indeed can be chalked up to youthful indiscretion. What is perhaps more serious is her recent message of support to the party. I understand that many Alaskans view the party as something not to be taken entirely seriously, but that does not mean that the Governor should be so effusive in her support of them. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 13:46:17 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 09:24:14 2008. Not relevant because she is old enough. Unless of course he were the younger party. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 13:46:50 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by WillD on Mon Sep 1 21:46:47 2008. No, he wouldn't be. Not in Alaska and not in most states. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 2 13:47:35 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Sep 2 13:44:03 2008. I agree that it shows bad judgment, but all 4 candidates have life histories full of bad judgments. As do pretty much all of the candidates who didn't make it, except perhaps Mike Huckabee, who seems to be too clean to be true. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 13:53:16 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Sep 2 09:42:25 2008. Still part of the Anchorage metro, despite the distance. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Sep 2 14:30:33 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by AlM on Tue Sep 2 13:35:15 2008. still, Palin is a very serious issue in the campaign. all that is coming out about her, shows that, maybe, McCain's judgement is not that good. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 14:43:17 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by AlM on Tue Sep 2 13:47:35 2008. I agree that it shows bad judgment, but all 4 candidates have life histories full of bad judgments.At least it shows all 4 of them are human.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 14:45:17 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 13:46:17 2008. Correct...actually she is a year over consent age in Alaska. "In jail" is totally irrelevant, espeically as not only is she above age, the father is also around her age, if not only slightly older. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 14:46:58 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by LuchAAA on Tue Sep 2 14:30:33 2008. Huh? She is not a "serious issue" in the campaign. "All" that came out about her? What, her daughter is "knocked up"? Who cares? |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Sep 2 14:50:15 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Easy on Mon Sep 1 22:06:37 2008. I wasn't too impressed with Bakersfield when I visited it last spring. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Sep 2 15:27:20 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 14:46:58 2008. She's also tried to get her ex-brother-in-law fired from his job as a state trooper, and it is alleged that she fired the guy in charge for not doing so. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Sep 2 15:27:30 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Sep 2 14:50:15 2008. That's only because you haven't seen Fresno yet! |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 2 17:39:54 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 2 03:20:39 2008. Actually, it (Troopergate-AK) had been festering BEFORE the nomination. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 2 19:19:54 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by vfrt on Mon Sep 1 14:12:46 2008. It's starting to look like Palin lied to McCain.McCain has known since July. Source? McCain. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 2 19:20:43 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Easy on Mon Sep 1 14:17:12 2008. Right, and I'm "leaning against Obama". |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 2 19:21:47 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by AlM on Mon Sep 1 17:25:30 2008. Quite possible? It's fact, he's known for weeks. Does anyone on this board read a newspaper? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 2 19:22:45 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 08:38:44 2008. The campaign's operatives, like Daily Kos, will do the attacking. Plausible deniability and such ... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 2 19:26:11 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Sep 2 12:00:18 2008. It most certainly does not, since studies show kids given vivid sex educations at a young age, with easy access to birth control still get pregnant at a fairly equal rate as those that don't. What this proves is that there's no surefire way to keep your teenage daughter from having sex or getting pregnant. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 2 19:29:15 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Sep 1 21:41:59 2008. Which is why a myspace page is stupid. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 2 19:30:21 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Sep 1 23:43:13 2008. Said restrictions are ignored regularly. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 19:31:17 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 2 19:29:15 2008. IAWTP!!!!!!!!!!!!Farcebook too. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 2 19:32:59 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 1 14:56:35 2008. Palin will not appeal to ideological liberal women. However many women who would normally choose Obama if this were a 4 man sausagefest of a race might identify with Palin and get their attention. Recent polls show Obama's support from women over 30 has dropped significantly since Palin's nomination was announced. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 2 19:35:23 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 09:38:14 2008. I believe in abstinence-only education, but I don't claim it's any more successful than handing out condoms to middle schoolers. It's all about parental choice. I don't want that choice made by educators. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Sep 2 19:38:13 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Sep 1 16:17:26 2008. Do not be so shallow. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 2 19:38:57 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by AlM on Tue Sep 2 08:19:07 2008. No, it's not. The one constant in this argument is the teenaged mind. Give a kid a gun, something gets shot. Tell the kid he can't have a gun, he will find one no matter what. If you want to put your daughter on the pill at 12, be my guest. No one should tell you how to raise your kid. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 2 19:41:02 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Sep 1 21:38:53 2008. Not true. Wealth isn't like energy, it can be created (and destroyed). |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Sep 2 19:57:49 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 2 19:41:02 2008. False. Energy CAN be created and destroyed, we just haven't accomplished it yet.Look for ****MAXWELL'S DEMON**** as an example, which has yet to be realized. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Tue Sep 2 20:05:48 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Sep 2 19:57:49 2008. What are you babbling about now? |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Sep 2 20:11:40 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 2 19:35:23 2008. It's all about parental choice. I don't want that choice made by educators.Yes, I'll remember that when my tax dollars are paying for your teenage daughter's WIC and Food Stamps because daddy didn't want her to learn how condoms and birth control work. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 2 20:22:35 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Sep 2 20:11:40 2008. This is a scary new trend, justify governmental intrusion into personal matters because of the financial interest it has in entitlements. We're seeing the same thing when it comes to banning fast foods because it causes obesity.The government can keep it's WIC, and it can stay out of my daughter's bedroom. |
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Posted by JohnL on Tue Sep 2 21:53:10 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Sep 2 19:57:49 2008. Energy CAN be created and destroyed, we just haven't accomplished it yet.Nope. Wrong again. Energy cannot be created or destroyed. It can be converted into mass and vice-versa at the usual rate. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Tue Sep 2 21:57:23 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by JohnL on Tue Sep 2 21:53:10 2008. He's babbling about 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the time when he posts. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Sep 2 22:49:59 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by JohnL on Tue Sep 2 21:53:10 2008. How do you explain ****MAXWELL'S DEMON****?We have gotten into this arguement before, and I don't think I will budge. I agree with the observations of Newton, but I stop short of calling them laws, sorry. And the conversion of energy to mass and vice versa is also something that I am debunking(specifically C is MAS of the universe, and things approaching C increase in weight, and such.). If it were true, by the way, an anomaly in which energy CAN be created and destroyed would be possible. Maybe I will explain further in another post, I have to go to sleep now. It is just that there isn't enough SOLID evidence for those ideas, and I have a feeling some scientists are corrupt, and make chit up. Ever read about the guy who claimed the discovery of gravitational waves? They recently sent a probe into outer space with a rotating glass ball. Supposedly, if the rotation changes a certain way, it will prove some sort of gravitational vortex theory. They ALREADY HAVE THE DATA!!!! They aren't releasing it....they are probably screing up the numbers. Oh, and the Michaelson and Morely experiments do not completely PROVE that C is MAS, either |
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Posted by JohnL on Tue Sep 2 23:03:30 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Sep 2 22:49:59 2008. Let’s try two quick, simple, answers:1) Maxwell’s demon is fails because it doesn’t consider the whole system. It takes energy to measure the speed of the molecules and open/close the door. So the entropy of the whole system is increasing. 2) Mass is converted into energy every day. You see it. When the Sun fuses hydrogen into helium, there is a small decrease in mass. Some of the resulting energy is carried off in neutrinos. The rest arrives as photons. Heat and light from the Sun. The reverse is more difficult since you have to get a lot of energy into one place at once for this to occur. But it has been seen in particle accelerators. You are free to believe what you want. But you can’t deny facts. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Sep 2 23:29:12 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by JohnL on Tue Sep 2 23:03:30 2008. Very nice, simple explanation. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Sep 2 23:30:42 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Sep 2 15:27:20 2008. Why? What were the charges? Can't just fire someone. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 2 23:31:02 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 08:38:44 2008. He isn't touching the daughter, because the candidate herself and McCain have other skeletons that will be unearthed...the daughter s the least of McCain/Palin's problems. McCain professes to be a strict constitutionalist, but of the four justices he said he would NOT nominate...he voted for three of the four at least.So, what is your answer to THAT, Mr. Straight Talk McCain? You could have cast votes against them, even if it would have been irrelevant at the time. He didn't do his homework on those people who are now coming back to bite conservatives in the tuchis...what makes you think he would do his homework on more important stuff? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 2 23:31:44 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Sep 2 22:49:59 2008. This you-against-the-world thingy really isn't working, you know. Especially what with you being 100 percent wrong. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 2 23:32:29 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 2 19:22:45 2008. And Obama will instead go after McCain's flip-flopping on taxes AND his supposed conservatism...remember that he voted for most of the liberal wing of the Supreme Court.Straight talk, I think not. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Sep 2 23:34:11 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 1 13:55:51 2008. If Palin didn't want to dictate to evety woman how to live, act and believe, I wouldn't hold this against her.But to turn the knife back on her, why didn't she pay more attention to her kids and provide better guidance? she was busy campaigning, being Governor, doing exactrly what she wanted to do. Staying home and supervising the kids is for other mothers to do (lesser mortals). Palin's motto: "Do as I say, not as I do." |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 2 23:34:30 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Sep 2 12:00:18 2008. However...there are more important things to go after McCain on...such as HIS flip-flopping...he cast votes for justices that voted to outlaw the death penalty for rape...justices he now says he would never have supported (yeah right!), and his flip-flopping act on Bush's tax cuts. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Sep 2 23:35:59 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 07:04:47 2008. No. It's the extremely wealthy who know how to set up trust funds, and other loopholes that allow the wealth to be passed on from one generation to the next.It's the working class that suddenly find themselves dealing with it when a loved one dies, and paying the government some money. In 2007, the minimum was $2,000,000. There's nothing wrong with rich families passing wealth on to loved ones. Why do you think you're entitled to it? Distribution of wealth is bullshit. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Sep 2 23:37:51 2008, in response to Re: Palin is a hypocrite, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Sep 2 23:34:11 2008. Why didn't Hillary pay more attention to her husband while he was President? No one holds it against her that she could not control her husband, but Palin is expected to control her kids.Just curious, do you have kids, and how old are they? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 2 23:40:43 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 08:37:11 2008. It isn't an opinion, however. Why do you think the major banks are backing Obama instead of McCain (they had backed Bush both times). They know more about economics than you do...and if you don't have higher taxes, how do you keep up with inflation in spending? Do you propose cutting essential services? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 2 23:41:36 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 2 19:41:02 2008. You didn't answer the question. When costs increase...do you expect government to take the hit, or pass it on? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Sep 2 23:42:03 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 2 23:31:02 2008. Palin may cost McCain the election. Sure, you can say that it is as wrong to bring up her pregnant daughter, as it would be to bring up Monica Lewinsky if Hillary was running. But women are really into their victimhood, as most people in America are. Only thing that can save McCain is if the MSM pisses off enough women in their coverage of Palin. Could happen, but we'll see. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 2 23:44:07 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 09:34:04 2008. You're not the only one awaiting a reply on that last question. At least I have proposed what to do. If it's rejected, one needs to provide what should be done instead.Why do you think the banks want Obama over McCain so badly? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 2 23:46:50 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by LuchAAA on Tue Sep 2 23:42:03 2008. HOWEVER...McCain isn't going to win the election, not because of Palin, but because he won't be able to explain his flip-flop between then and now...voting in favor of 3 of the 4 most liberal justices on the SCOTUS bench (at least one of who Kerry voted AGAINST, BTW), and voting against Bush's tax cuts.In short, McCain flip-flops more than a woman getting a tan on the beach. |
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