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Posted by tErraPin staTION on Tue Sep 2 04:11:33 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 03:54:55 2008. ha ha, so true. IAWTP. Dan doesn't have a clue, and he won't admit his mistake. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 04:12:16 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Sep 1 13:58:55 2008. What does one have to do to not be a slut? Have an abortion? Become a nun? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 04:31:40 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 1 14:52:44 2008. Those are cool sounding names. At least she didn't name any of her daughters Madison. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 04:40:01 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 1 19:58:42 2008. Sasha is mainstream in Russia, mainly for boys though. It's short for Alexander.In fact Natasha (Sasha Obama's actual first name) is diminutive for Natalie in Russian. Obama must be a communist! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 04:43:54 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Easy on Mon Sep 1 21:47:34 2008. What about San Diego and Sacramento? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 04:49:41 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Sep 1 23:41:13 2008. That's ridiculous. Why would they vote to change the law to make what Wilson did not a crime but at the same time not want to make it retroactive in order to release Wilson? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 07:04:47 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by LuchAAA on Tue Sep 2 00:32:20 2008. Are you insane? How can you possibly be sure that everyone here is against the ESTATE tax? I for one am 100% in favor. The only part of the estate tax changes that I favor is raising the minimum, which was previously $675,000. $1.5 million is fine.The "death tax" is an annoying neologism made to make the estate tax sound like something that affects everyone as opposed to sounding like a tax on something that in people's minds is usually associated with wealth. Far from being unfair, the death tax is probably the fairest tax of all. It helps prevent the accumulation of dynastic wealth. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 07:25:21 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Sep 2 00:32:38 2008. Except that government policy could cause the fluctuations to be shorter or shallower. Look at Argentina; It was once one of the richest countries in the world. So much for cycles. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 2 07:30:54 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by SMAZ on Tue Sep 2 03:00:26 2008. You do realize that the person fired is a family member of Palin's, right? It may also be a case of something happening in the family coming out in public. The question may be wby he was hired to begin with. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 2 07:33:05 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 04:49:41 2008. At the time, it was an oversight...but when the mistake was realized, the powers that be wanted it kept that way. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 2 08:17:22 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by LuchAAA on Tue Sep 2 00:32:20 2008. I'm sure we all are against the "death tax".What's the death tax? I do support inheritance tax at reasonable levels and with a reasonable exempt amount. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 2 08:19:07 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 03:52:40 2008. In fact, I see nothing immoral or hypocritical about her 17 year old daughter being pregnant.And this will be a huge boost to the idea of birth control education in the US. The next legislator somewhere who proposes abstinence education only will get laughed off the floor. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 08:35:08 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 04:08:38 2008. I am far from a "millionire", and it doesn't effect just "millionaires" anyway. For some people, it will take 2/3 of every dollar they made to the government. It wouldn't effect me, but that is just wrong. If someone is smart enough, or fortunate enough to make good money, they should not be punished by having to give it all away to the government.In a capitialist society, all things are not equal. There will always be the haves and the have nots. You can't punish the "haves" just because you can. That's socialist. http://www.heritage.org/research/Taxes/wm1973.cfm European Levels of Taxation: Barack Obama's Tax Plan by Rea S. Hederman, Jr. and Patrick Tyrrell WebMemo #1973 Note: Representatives of the Obama campaign have informed the authors that the campaign is not committed to the full 12.4 hike in the payroll tax. An increase in the payroll tax is merely one of many different tax increases that are being considered for those making over $250,000. The Obama campaign implies that the tax increase on those earning over $250,000 may not be limited to earnings but also cover different types of income. Despite questioning, the campaign has not provided any more details. Presidential hopeful Senator Barack Obama (D–Ill.) has unveiled his economic plan of raising taxes on the successful. His plan would boost the top marginal rate to well over 55 percent—before the inclusion of state and local taxes—resulting in many individuals seeing their marginal tax rate double. The consequences of this policy would be a return to the bad old days of tax avoidance, with taxpayers disguising personal income as business income or capital gains and the migration of capital from the United States to abroad. Among the more prominent elements of his tax proposal, Senator Obama would end the Bush tax cuts and allow the top two tax rates to return to 36 and 39.6 percent. He also would allow personal exemptions and deductions to be phased out for those with income over $250,000. The real kicker, though, is that Senator Obama would end the Social Security payroll tax cap for those over $250,000 in earnings. (The cap is currently set at $102,000.) These individuals will then face a tax rate of 15.65 percent from payroll taxes and the top income tax rate of 39.6 percent for a combined top rate of over 56 percent on each additional dollar earned. High-income individuals will be forced to pay even more if they live in cities or states with high taxes such as New York City, California, or Maryland. These unlucky people would pay over two-thirds of each new dollar in earnings to the federal government. How the Obama Tax Plan Compares to Other Countries Senator Obama's new tax rate would give the United States one of the highest tax rates among developed countries. Currently only six of the top 30 industrial nations have a tax rate for all levels of government combined of over 55 percent. Under this tax plan, the United States would join this group and have a higher top rate than such high-tax nations as Sweden and Denmark. The top marginal rate would exceed 60 percent with the inclusion of state and local taxes, which means that only Hungary would exceed Senator Obama's new proposed top tax rate. The costs in economic terms of such high taxes are real. For example, of the six countries with higher tax rates than 55 percent, the average unemployment rate is 7.35 percent (see chart). This figure includes Denmark, which appears to have a very low unemployment rate of 3.9 percent. However, Denmark spends over 5 percent of its GDP on unemployment programs and benefits, thereby increasing its unemployment rate.[1] A Return to the Bad Old Days Historically, Senator Obama's tax rate would be the highest individual tax rate since the Jimmy Carter days. Tax shelters and tax avoidance strategies were common when the top marginal rate was 70 percent or higher. This new top tax rate will again encourage these gimmicks, reducing investment and economic growth as resources are squandered in an attempt to avoid punitive taxation. Many individuals will attempt to transfer their compensation from wages to capital gains, since capital gains would only be taxed at 25 percent, or less than half of the top rate on wages. This would put a great deal of pressure on a company to do anything it could to make its stock quickly increase in value. Other individuals would try to incorporate so they could pay business taxes instead of having to pay taxes on their wages. Again, these resources would be diverted away from more productive uses and slow the economy. High tax rates also encourage capital and income flight to lower-taxed areas. There is ample evidence in the United States of individuals and businesses moving to states such as Florida or Delaware to take advantage of their tax-friendly laws. A higher federal tax rate would encourage individuals to move assets abroad to take advantage of lower tax rates in countries such as Canada, France, and Great Britain. These high tax rates could also have a large impact on the labor force. Many workers could choose to reduce their hours or simply retire in the face of such high taxation. Economists usually argue a great deal about what effect minor changes in the tax code will have on incentives to work. However, the Obama plan calls for a tax increase so large that economists will be focusing on the harm to the overall economy rather than just the isolated effects on labor and on capital. A Finite Source of Revenue Perhaps a larger worry than the damage to the economy is the long-run budget problem of the United States. While Senator Obama raises taxes a great deal on upper income individuals, the overall tax plan increases the national deficit. As a result, the country will be even less prepared to pay for current and future Social Security and Medicare obligations. When money is needed to pay for those programs, it will be hard to tax the rich even more, given that the top rate will already be so high. Instead, in order to pay the government's spending and entitlement shortfalls, taxes would fall most heavily on middle-income Americans. After all, even successful taxpayers are not an infinite source of revenue. Rea S. Hederman, Jr., is a Senior Policy Analyst and the Assistant Director, and Patrick Tyrrell is a Research Assistant, in the Center for Data Analysis at The Heritage Foundation. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 08:37:11 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Sep 1 22:59:40 2008. The areas where this affected most, they were likely going McCain anyway, because they don't know what's best for them.Typical left wing propaganda. "The people don't know what's best for them, so the government must decide.". Sounds like socialism. And yes, higher taxes ARE better for America (in certain areas), contrary to popular belief. That's a matter of OPINION. And happens to be your OPINION. |
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Posted by JohnL on Tue Sep 2 08:37:41 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Sep 1 23:42:52 2008. When mom is better known as Posh Spice, the kid has no chance. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 08:38:44 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Sep 1 21:44:44 2008. Your candidate Obama said families were off limits in this, and told them to back off. Whether that's what he wants or not in actuality, is besides the point, as of course, that statement makes him look like the "good guy", but either way, I comend him for saying it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 08:40:57 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 04:12:16 2008. I think his definition of "a non-slut" would be for someone to live an abnormal life without sex.A nun being one possibility I would assume. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 08:42:47 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 04:40:01 2008. We don't live in Russia. It's not mainstream here.Obama must be a communist! Haha, a bit on the socialist side, yes, a communist, no ...but he seems to like communist names... (jk) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 08:45:29 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Easy on Mon Sep 1 20:09:55 2008. I already said I find them strange (like it matters, as I also mentioned). I also mentioned perhaps in the location where they lived, some people are more apt to have strange names like that.And I still find Malia and Sasha also out there names. I admited, not as strange as "Trig, Bristol, or Track", but strange just the same. You'd be surprised how some of these Nascar obsesed areas may be.... "Track"? I mean really. Not that ANY of this has any bearing on her political policies. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 08:46:57 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by alm on Mon Sep 1 21:12:16 2008. Todd Palin definitely has a good rifle.Yeah, so? So do many people that love hunting. Brett Favre even owns riffles. The point? |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 2 08:48:55 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 08:35:08 2008. For some people, it will take 2/3 of every dollar they made to the government.Um, they doubled the actual payroll tax. They included the employer's portion. If they want to include taxes paid by business, then they should be including all taxes paid by business in their analysis, not just this one tax. PS. I neither agree nor disagree that this is what Obama is actually proposing. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 08:50:04 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Sep 1 21:40:55 2008. Of course, I never said otherwise. Does that mean all rural folk are gun totting lunatics?The point? |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 2 08:50:24 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 08:46:57 2008. The point?It was a joke. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 08:51:22 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Sep 1 21:52:21 2008. You are trying to compare Bakersfield to LA or SF?That is far from your "city slicker" type of city....FAR from it. Have you ever been to Bakersfield? If you have, you wouldn't have said that.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 08:58:39 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 04:43:54 2008. San Diego has been quite Republican. It's more Republican than Democrat, although has been shifting closer and closer.Contrary to what people think, California has a lot of Republican areas. The cities of LA and SF usually tip the tides almost always to make California a blue state. But there are a LOT of pockets of Republican strongholds in California. I am not as familiar with Sacramento. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Sep 2 09:08:27 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by LuchAAA on Tue Sep 2 00:32:20 2008. Does anyone here disagree with killing the "death tax". I'm sure we all are against the "death tax".The bulk of most estates are unrealized capital gains. Unrealized capital gains are not taxed. Somebody with assets can borrow against these assets for pocket money and still pay no taxes. It's a tax dodge. The way that this levels out is at death. Inheritance tax is based on the deceased's net worth. Don't want to pay taxes while you're alive by deferring capital gains? The government will get those taxes that were evaded through inheritance taxes. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 09:22:44 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by AlM on Tue Sep 2 08:48:55 2008. PS. I neither agree nor disagree that this is what Obama is actually proposing.I don't disagree. I know "something" has to be done. I dont know if his plan is the answer. I don't like some parts of it. I was mostly criticizing the people that say that any particular plan (in this case Obama's) is "THE" plan, and the only correct one. That is utterly false. It's OPINION that any plan is better than another. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 09:23:08 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by AlM on Tue Sep 2 08:50:24 2008. Sorry. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 09:23:54 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by WillD on Mon Sep 1 21:46:47 2008. And if you were the father you'd be in jail, even if she were seventeen years, eleven months, and twenty seven days.How old was the father? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 09:24:14 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by WillD on Mon Sep 1 22:02:07 2008. That's not the point. How old was THIS father? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 09:34:04 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 08:35:08 2008. I am far from a "millionire", [sic] and it doesn't effect just "millionaires" anyway. For some people, it will take 2/3 of every dollar they made to the government. It wouldn't effect [sic] me, but that is just wrong.The marginal utility of each Dollar you have, or earn is less than the marginal utility of the preceding Dollar. What that means is that a higher percentage tax for a person earning more money may actually result in a lesser loss of utility than the lower percentage tax for the lower income person. If someone is smart enough, or fortunate enough to make good money, they should not be punished by having to give it all away to the government. Nobody is proposing that all money should be taken by the government, so this is a herring. In a capitialist [sic] society, all things are not equal. There will always be the haves and the have nots. You can't punish the "haves" just because you can. That's socialist. Obama is not proposing punishing anyone. There is no doubt that the government needs revenue. How do you propose that the government raise it? In all of the arguments where you have stated tax hikes for the rich to be unfair, unless I am mistaken, you haven't stated what your alternative would be. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 2 09:36:36 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 09:24:14 2008. News reports say 18, indicating he has no legal problems whatsoever. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 09:36:46 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 08:37:11 2008. Typical left wing propaganda. "The people don't know what's best for them, so the government must decide.". Sounds like socialism.No, it doesn't. You seem to attribute many things to socialism when they aren't. That's a matter of OPINION. And happens to be your OPINION. Higher taxes without higher spending lead to lesser deficits which is generally good. That is not an opinion. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 09:38:14 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by AlM on Tue Sep 2 08:19:07 2008. I think there will still be enough people who will obstinately believe in abstinence-only education so that it will make little difference. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Sep 2 09:42:25 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Sep 1 23:46:45 2008. Also, in the case of Alaska...only one region really matters: metro Anchorage (the city itself---of which Palin is a former mayor---is a decent sized city of 280K and a 360K metro area---in a state of 660K).Palin was mayor of Wasilla, a town of about 6,000 located 45 miles from Anchorage. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Sep 2 09:51:00 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by LuchAAA on Tue Sep 2 00:36:22 2008. just like Hillary came to NY out of nowhere, no political background, and won in a landslide, all because she is a womanHillary would have had a much harder time winning election if Rudy Giuliani had been her opponent as everyone had expected. Giuliani wasn't able to run because he had developed prostate cancer, and the Republican candidate was Congressman Rick Lazio, who was far less known than Giuliani and ran a rather poor campaign. My LIRR/NYC blog |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Sep 2 10:27:52 2008, in response to Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by vfrt on Mon Sep 1 13:33:17 2008. This message brought to you by Re-pubic-ian's family values ticket! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Sep 2 10:27:57 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Sep 2 09:08:27 2008. Have you ever paid the "death tax" after losing a loved one? Have you been through the experience? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Sep 2 10:30:42 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Sep 2 09:51:00 2008. I think Giuliani didn't want to run against Hillary. Knowing that women vote based on gender, and nothing else, Giuliani didn't want the embarrassment of losing to someone running for office for the first time in their life. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Sep 2 10:52:45 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by LuchAAA on Tue Sep 2 10:27:57 2008. Have you ever paid the "death tax" after losing a loved one? Have you been through the experience?Yes. That person inherited a stock portfolio that was worth around $60K. With minimal changes, that portfolio appreciated to over $800K over 30+ years. That person lived off of the dividends and social security and never touched the principal. If capital gains had been paid on paper profits over those 30+ years, then the tax bite would have been far greater than the inheritance tax that was paid by the estate. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 11:11:10 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by AlM on Tue Sep 2 09:36:36 2008. So it's all moot. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 11:14:17 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Sep 2 10:27:52 2008. Mistakes happen. The 18 year old kid is marrying her, so what's the issue? If anything, the whole thing will appeal to the left too, as they are "real" people, with real problems. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Sep 2 11:20:54 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Sep 1 21:48:41 2008. In NYS, (which is the only important state) 17 is legal. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Sep 2 12:00:18 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by AlM on Mon Sep 1 16:14:11 2008. It is certainly a reflection on how well abstinance-only education works in the Palin family. No, sex-ed is not required in Alaska, but Palin supports abstinance-only. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Sep 2 12:16:49 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 11:14:17 2008. This really kills the McCain campaign. Things were looking good for him. Obama's microscopic bounce from the DNC has all but faded away. Now, who knows what voters will think about this pregnancy issue. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 2 12:35:49 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by LuchAAA on Tue Sep 2 12:16:49 2008. This really kills the McCain campaign.I think you're overreacting, just as I think you were overoptimistic before. How many of the religious right are going to stay home just because the candidate for VP wasn't able to keep her daughter in line? A few maybe, but those people might also think that a woman's place is in the home and not presiding over the Senate, so McCain was already counting on losing them. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Sep 2 13:24:51 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by AlM on Tue Sep 2 12:35:49 2008. Now it turns out that Palin was a member of the pro-secession Alaska Independence Party in the 1990's. She may not longer be a member, but as Governor recently send them a highly supportive video message:My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 13:25:33 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Sep 2 12:00:18 2008. From what I can find, she hasn't knocked "abstinence only" policy, but neither been an advocate of it.As for Palin's stand on abstinence-only education, it's not great, but she hasn't been a particularly disruptive advocate of Alaska's sex-ed programs, which says something (a very little something) about her lack of enthusiasm for abstinence-only programs during George Bush's eight year roll-back of reproductive rights and his worldwide propagation of abstinence-only reprogramming. Based on early reporting, Palin has only once weighed in on the topic. When asked a confusingly worded question about whether she would "support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools," she replied, "Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support." She is a member of Feminists for Life, an anti-choice group that does not take a prohibitive stand on birth control. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 2 13:27:12 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by AlM on Tue Sep 2 12:35:49 2008. I agree. But those people are also probably just pissed because of the Palin choice to begin with, so who cares. This issue is not going to make conservatives "vote for Obama" instead. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 2 13:27:57 2008, in response to Re: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant., posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Sep 2 13:24:51 2008. Now it turns out that Palin was a member of the pro-secession Alaska Independence Party in the 1990's.As Rep. Henry Hyde would say, "youthful indiscretion." Though Olog might claim she should be tried for treason. |
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