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Re: black hole is now a racist phrase

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 9 15:53:57 2010, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phrase, posted by Easy on Thu Jul 10 18:33:41 2008.

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Wait until physics societies issue directives that compel them to refer to them as "singularities" only. I am willing to wager anything that this will be done.

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Re: black hole is now a racist phase

Posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jun 9 16:40:25 2010, in response to black hole is now a racist phase, posted by Dand124 on Thu Jul 10 18:24:12 2008.

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I saw the words Terrapin Station and I was scared shit...but then I saw the date. What a relief!

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Re: black hole is now a racist phrase

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 9 16:43:23 2010, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phrase, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 9 15:53:57 2010.

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Allright, maybe not right away, but I stand by my post despite two years passing.

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Re: black hole is now a racist phase

Posted by fisk ave jim on Wed Jun 9 18:39:10 2010, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phase, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 11 13:44:06 2008.

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Well, just leave my White Castle hamburgers alone!!!

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Re: black hole is now a racist phase

Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 9 18:42:04 2010, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phase, posted by fisk ave jim on Wed Jun 9 18:39:10 2010.

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I will...just don't come running to me after you've had splash-back on the toilet seat.

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Re: black hole is now a racist phase

Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 9 18:42:39 2010, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phase, posted by fisk ave jim on Wed Jun 9 18:39:10 2010.

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OKAY, I'll leave your "backdoor sliders" alone.

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Re: black hole is now a racist phase

Posted by G1Ravage on Thu Jun 10 00:24:06 2010, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phase, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 9 18:42:39 2010.

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LOL backdoor sliders

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Re: black hole is now a racist phase

Posted by Easy on Thu Jun 10 00:40:29 2010, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phase, posted by BMT Guy on Thu Jul 10 22:37:13 2008.

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I won't even say what I thought of that name when I first heard it. It's better than Sambo's though.

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Re: black hole is now a racist phase

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 10 00:47:17 2010, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phase, posted by fisk ave jim on Wed Jun 9 18:39:10 2010.

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Is this enough for lunch at least . . . ?



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Re: black hole is now a racist phase

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 10 00:52:19 2010, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phase, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Jul 11 04:16:04 2008.

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you couldn't help yourself from posting in a thread about race, could you?

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Re: black hole is now a racist phase

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Jun 10 08:11:20 2010, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phase, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 10 00:52:19 2010.

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Nothing better to do than Necroposting?

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Re: black hole is now a racist phase

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 10 08:19:26 2010, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phase, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Jun 10 08:11:20 2010.

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It was an accident, not a necropost. It was a thread that was linked to the Hallmark Black Ho thread, and wound up taking over that thread once it was linked to it.

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Re: “Black hole” is now a racist phrase

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 19 18:42:54 2012, in response to black hole is now a racist phase, posted by Dand124 on Thu Jul 10 18:24:12 2008.

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This is a racist phenomenon. They shouldn't exist . . .



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Re: “Black hole” is now a racist phrase

Posted by AlM on Tue Jun 19 19:01:07 2012, in response to Re: “Black hole” is now a racist phrase, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 19 18:42:54 2012.

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Notice how well this "political correctness" caught on. Four years and we haven't herd any more about it.



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Re: “Black hole” is now a racist phrase

Posted by Easy on Tue Jun 19 19:07:18 2012, in response to Re: “Black hole” is now a racist phrase, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 19 19:01:07 2012.

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Not quite true. The "black hole" Hallmark greeting card controversy was after this.

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Re: black hole is now a racist phase

Posted by daNd124 on Sun Apr 21 11:47:17 2013, in response to black hole is now a racist phase, posted by Dand124 on Thu Jul 10 18:24:12 2008.

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bump

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Re: black hole is now a racist phase

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Apr 21 21:00:41 2013, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phase, posted by daNd124 on Sun Apr 21 11:47:17 2013.

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Nobody cares. Plus only wackos post questions from 5 year old posts.

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Stephen Hawking: Black holes don't exist; there are only "grey holes"

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 25 03:13:44 2014, in response to Re: “Black hole” is now a racist phrase, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 19 19:01:07 2012.

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But 5˝ years later, we have this.

Daily Mail

Stephen Hawking stuns physicists by declaring “there are no black holes” — but says there are GREY ones

  • Author claims there is no “event horizon” black hole
  • Instead clams there are “grey holes”, which hold energy before releasing it
  • Admits the problem “remains a mystery”

By MARK PRIGG
PUBLISHED: 15:57 EST, 24 January 2014 | UPDATED: 15:59 EST, 24 January 2014
Stephen Hawking has shocked physicists by admitting “there are no black holes”.

In a paper published online, Professor Hawking instead argues there are “grey holes”.

“The absence of event horizons means that there are no black holes — in the sense of regimes from which light can’t escape to infinity,” he says in the paper, called Information Preservation and Weather Forecasting For Black Holes.

He says that the idea of an event horizon, from which light cannot escape, is flawed.

He suggests that instead light rays attempting to rush away from the black hole’s core will be held as though stuck on a treadmill and that they can slowly shrink by spewing out radiation.

Hawking told the journal Nature: “There is no escape from a black hole in classical theory. [But quantum theory] enables energy and information to escape from a black hole.”

A full explanation of the process, Hawking admits, would require a theory that successfully merges gravity with the other fundamental forces of nature.

However, that is a goal that has eluded physicists for nearly a century.

“The correct treatment,” Hawking told Nature, “remains a mystery.”

The professor’s grey hole theory would allow matter and energy to be held for a period of time before being released back into space.

Hawking’s latest work was prompted by a talk he gave via Skype to a meeting at the Kavli Institute for Theoretical Physics in Santa Barbara, California, in August 2013.

It tries to address what is known as the black-hole firewall paradox, which has puzzled scientists for almost two years.

It stems from a theory where scientists tried to imagine what would happen to an astronaut unlucky enough to fall into a black hole.

Black hole expert Don Page, of the University of Alberta in Edmonton, Canada, admits: “The picture Hawking gives sounds reasonable.”

But theoretical physicist Joseph Polchinski of the Kavli Institute is skeptical, and insists: “In Einstein’s gravity, the black hole horizon is not so different from any other part of space. We never see space-time fluctuate in our own neighborhood: it is just too rare on large scales.”

Raphael Bousso, a theoretical physicist at the University of California, Berkeley, and former student of Hawking’s, admits many physicists will find Hawking’s work “abhorrent”.

He says: “The idea that there are no points from which you cannot escape a black hole is in some ways an even more radical and problematic suggestion than the existence of firewalls. But the fact that we’re still discussing such questions 40 years after Hawking’s first papers on black holes and information is testament to their enormous significance.”

A brief history of Professor Hawking’s work

In the 1970s, already confined to a wheelchair, he produced a stream of first class research, including probably his most important contribution to cosmology.

This was the discovery of Hawking radiation, which allows a black hole to leak energy and gradually fade away to nothing.

By applying quantum mechanics to black holes, he had taken the first steps to combining quantum theory and general relativity.

One describes the universe at the sub-atomic level, and the other at very large scales.

Bringing the two theories together is one of the great unfulfilled goals of modern physics.

In the 1980s, Prof. Hawking and Professor Jim Hartle, from the University of California at Santa Barbara, proposed a model of the universe that had no boundaries in space or time.

The concept was described in A Brief History Of Time, which sold 25 million copies worldwide.


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Re: Stephen Hawking: Black holes don't exist; there are only ''grey holes''

Posted by Easy on Sat Jan 25 10:50:17 2014, in response to Stephen Hawking: Black holes don't exist; there are only "grey holes", posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 25 03:13:44 2014.

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Sounds fishy. I don't think that Hawking is capable of communicating anymore. He can no longer use his voice thingy. I think that the way it works is that his assistant bounces ideas off him and looks for subtle signs of agreement or disagreement by very slight changes in his facial expression. And this was a few years ago, it's probably worse now.

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John Wiley Price, be still: UNC says black holes don't exist, at least mathematically

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 24 16:07:28 2014, in response to black hole is now a racist phase, posted by Dand124 on Thu Jul 10 18:24:12 2008.

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Universe Today

There Are No Such Things As Black Holes

By Jason Major on September 24, 2014
That’s the conclusion reached by one researcher from the University of North Carolina: black holes can’t exist in our Universe — not mathematically, anyway.

“I’m still not over the shock,” said Laura Mersini-Houghton, associate physics professor at UNC-Chapel Hill. “We’ve been studying this problem for a more than 50 years and this solution gives us a lot to think about.”

In a news article spotlighted by UNC, the scenario suggested by Mersini-Houghton is briefly explained. Basically, when a massive star reaches the end of its life and collapses under its own gravity after blasting its outer layers into space — which is commonly thought to result in an ultra-dense point called a singularity surrounded by a light- and energy-trapping event horizon — it undergoes a period of intense outgoing radiation (the sort of which was famously deduced by Stephen Hawking.) This release of radiation is enough, Mersini-Houghton has calculated, to cause the collapsing star to lose too much mass to allow a singularity to form. No singularity means no event horizon… and no black hole.

At least, not by her numbers.

So what happens to massive stars when they die? Rather than falling ever inwards to create an infinitely dense point hidden behind a space-time “firewall” — something that, while fascinating to ponder and a staple of science fiction, has been notoriously tricky for scientists to reconcile with known physics — Mersini-Houghton suggests that they just “probably blow up.”

According to the UNC article, Mersini-Houghton’s research “not only forces scientists to re-imagine the fabric of space-time, but also rethink the origins of the universe.” . . .

Don’t believe it? I’m not surprised. I’m certainly no physicist but I do expect that there will be many scientists (and layfolk) who’ll have their own take on Mersini-Houghton’s findings (*ahem* Brian Koberlein) especially considering:
  1. the popularity of black holes in our astronomical culture, and
  2. the many — scratch that; the countless — observations that have been made on quite black hole-ish objects found throughout the Universe.
So what do you think? Have black holes just been voted off the cosmic island? Or are the holes more likely in the research?

(Then of course this leads me to wonder, if there really are no black holes, then what’s causing the stars in the center of our galaxy to move like this?)


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Re: black hole is now a racist phrase

Posted by 3-9 on Wed Sep 24 17:00:12 2014, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phrase, posted by Easy on Thu Jul 10 18:33:41 2008.

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The problem isn't that Dand124 overreacted, the problem is that people in authority overreacted to a harmless term, and have opened the possibility that the term "black hole" will now be considered racist.

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Re: black hole is now a racist phrase

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 24 17:01:44 2014, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phrase, posted by 3-9 on Wed Sep 24 17:00:12 2014.

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Take a look at the direction John Wiley Price's career is heading. The man seems to have embraced hate and crime.

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Re: black hole is now a racist phrase

Posted by 3-9 on Wed Sep 24 17:17:33 2014, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phrase, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 24 17:01:44 2014.

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Well, he certainly seems to have a skin as thin as an onion's. Since I doubt his career is going to go much further with that mouth, I'm a bit more worried about how I keep getting caught necroposting when I should have picked up on the clues. :-)

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Re: black hole is now a racist phrase

Posted by Dave on Wed Sep 24 17:57:19 2014, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phrase, posted by 3-9 on Wed Sep 24 17:00:12 2014.

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Responding to a 6 year old post? Talk about necroposting!!

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Re: black hole is now a racist phrase

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 24 18:21:29 2014, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phrase, posted by Dave on Wed Sep 24 17:57:19 2014.

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It was Olog-HITLER who brought back the thread.

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Re: black hole is now a racist phrase

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 24 19:43:24 2014, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phrase, posted by Dave on Wed Sep 24 17:57:19 2014.

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I brought it back because of this new sciency stuff about black holes possibly not existing.

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Re: black hole is now a racist phrase

Posted by FtGreeneG on Wed Sep 24 23:01:14 2014, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phrase, posted by Dave on Wed Sep 24 17:57:19 2014.

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Well since this post is 6 yrs old guess it's safe to say Black Hole isn't a racist term...lol

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Re: black hole is now a racist phrase

Posted by Easy on Wed Sep 24 23:26:30 2014, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phrase, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 9 16:43:23 2010.

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Still standing by?

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Re: John Wiley Price, be still: UNC says black holes don't exist, at least mathematically

Posted by Easy on Wed Sep 24 23:34:20 2014, in response to John Wiley Price, be still: UNC says black holes don't exist, at least mathematically, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 24 16:07:28 2014.

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It's official. The only reason to say black hole anymore is racism. ;)

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Re: black hole is now a racist phrase

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 24 23:36:12 2014, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phrase, posted by Easy on Wed Sep 24 23:26:30 2014.

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Re: John Wiley Price, be still: UNC says black holes don't exist, at least mathematically

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 25 00:17:42 2014, in response to Re: John Wiley Price, be still: UNC says black holes don't exist, at least mathematically, posted by Easy on Wed Sep 24 23:34:20 2014.

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We jump from "grey holes" to this. Political correctness runs amuck even in (especially in?) the "scientific" community.

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Re: black hole is now a racist phrase

Posted by 3-9 on Thu Sep 25 00:31:53 2014, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phrase, posted by Dave on Wed Sep 24 17:57:19 2014.

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Yeah, I should have realized it when I saw all those old time Subchat user IDs, but instead I thought, "wow, they're back?" :-)

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Re: John Wiley Price, be still: UNC says black holes don't exist, at least mathematically

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 25 05:28:12 2014, in response to John Wiley Price, be still: UNC says black holes don't exist, at least mathematically, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 24 16:07:28 2014.

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What about the massive black hole in the center of the Milky way:-)

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Re: black hole is now a racist phrase

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 25 05:30:29 2014, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phrase, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 9 15:53:57 2010.

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More necro posting.

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Re: John Wiley Price, be still: UNC says black holes don't exist, at least mathematically

Posted by SLRT on Thu Sep 25 13:17:49 2014, in response to Re: John Wiley Price, be still: UNC says black holes don't exist, at least mathematically, posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 25 05:28:12 2014.

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Maybe it's an Espresso Hole that will disappear the next time we stir the Milky Way.

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Re: John Wiley Price, be still: UNC says black holes don't exist, at least mathematically

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 25 13:55:27 2014, in response to Re: John Wiley Price, be still: UNC says black holes don't exist, at least mathematically, posted by SLRT on Thu Sep 25 13:17:49 2014.

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Great, so it's going to be a Cappuccino Hole?

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Re: John Wiley Price, be still: UNC says black holes don't exist, at least mathematically

Posted by SLRT on Thu Sep 25 15:48:39 2014, in response to Re: John Wiley Price, be still: UNC says black holes don't exist, at least mathematically, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 25 13:55:27 2014.

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They're going to need some big barista.

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Re: John Wiley Price, be still: UNC says black holes don't exist, at least mathematically

Posted by SLRT on Thu Sep 25 15:48:40 2014, in response to Re: John Wiley Price, be still: UNC says black holes don't exist, at least mathematically, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 25 13:55:27 2014.

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They're going to need some big barista.

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Re: John Wiley Price, be still: UNC says black holes don't exist, at least mathematically

Posted by Express Rider on Thu Sep 25 21:04:50 2014, in response to John Wiley Price, be still: UNC says black holes don't exist, at least mathematically, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 24 16:07:28 2014.

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Guess he's never been to 76th St. station either.

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Re: black hole is now a racist phrase

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Sep 26 00:20:38 2014, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phrase, posted by 3-9 on Wed Sep 24 17:00:12 2014.

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and it only took you 6 1/6 years to properly frame your response. Nice going.

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Re: black hole is now a racist phrase

Posted by 3-9 on Fri Sep 26 01:19:30 2014, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phrase, posted by Train Dude on Fri Sep 26 00:20:38 2014.

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Better late than never. :-)

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Re: black hole is now a racist phrase

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Sep 26 09:20:11 2014, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phrase, posted by 3-9 on Thu Sep 25 00:31:53 2014.

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The advantage of reading in Compressed mode, I see the old-ass date on the OP and move on :)

(that is, if I remember to look at the OP timestamp) :)

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Re: black hole is now a racist phrase

Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Sep 26 11:51:46 2014, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phrase, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jul 10 18:48:12 2008.

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I had always thought black hole was Kim Kardashian's back door! "More Clorox, please!"

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Re: black hole is now a racist phrase

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Sep 26 12:07:09 2014, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phrase, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Sep 26 11:51:46 2014.

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That was for something SIX years ago!!! Why bother?

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Re: black coffee is now a racist phase?

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 12:09:33 2014, in response to black hole is now a racist phase, posted by Dand124 on Thu Jul 10 18:24:12 2008.

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I ordered a black coffee at Dunkin Donuts near Tampa.

I got a look.

I know, just know in my heart, that in the future, "Coffee, nothing in it. No sugar. No room for cream".

Everything I am predicting is coming true.

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Re: black coffee is now a racist phase?

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 26 12:12:12 2014, in response to Re: black coffee is now a racist phase?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 12:09:33 2014.

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Dewd ... you're down south! Everything has to have sugar, even hot dogs. :)

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Re: black hole is now a racist phrase

Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Sep 26 12:15:03 2014, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phrase, posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Sep 26 12:07:09 2014.

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Exactly my point! Why bother even having this "Black hole" doscussion? Aren't we getting a little carried away with these phrases? This social censorship is really getting out of hand!

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Re: black hole is now a racist phrase

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Sep 26 13:01:10 2014, in response to Re: black hole is now a racist phrase, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Sep 26 12:15:03 2014.

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You are 1000% right!!!

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Re: black coffee is now a racist phase?

Posted by Cornell Park on Fri Sep 26 13:24:19 2014, in response to Re: black coffee is now a racist phase?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 26 12:09:33 2014.

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If that's the case, coffee dark, coffee light and coffee extra light should be a problem soon as well. And add the word "sweet" to the list as well.

Here is a thought- If the fucktard behind the counter could prepare a cup of coffee when given milk/cream requirements in ounces, there would be no problem. Tell them 5ml. of sugar instead of 1 teaspoon.

Or order coffee the way Winston Wolf asked Jimmy for his coffee, lots of cream lots of sugar.

I prefer to pour my own cup, and if I fuck up preparing it, I deserve having to suffer through it!!

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Re: black coffee is now a racist phase?

Posted by 3-9 on Fri Sep 26 14:13:22 2014, in response to Re: black coffee is now a racist phase?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 26 12:12:12 2014.

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The lack of deep frying may also have something to do with it. :-)

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