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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jul 6 13:36:36 2008, in response to DTV converter Q, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jul 6 12:47:47 2008. Probalby not possible, but with the digital band, interesting how many channels are split into 2 or 3 feeds. Mostly spanish(channels I haven't heard of and not even on cable).But, why's everything have to be dubbed in? Why no subtitles?? The dubbed in movie industry is one thing, but now the hot Italian girl from the food network is dudded into Spanish! That's over the line! |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jul 6 14:27:36 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jul 6 13:36:36 2008. I'm glad the feds paid for most of this box. There's almost zero English channels over the air. But I'm sure the fruit picking moron posters will argue even this with me. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 6 18:17:53 2008, in response to DTV converter Q, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jul 6 12:47:47 2008. No, not the converters you can get with the coupon. Cable uses QAM while broadcast uses 8VSB. There are QAM converters available though.Wouldn't it be easier to buy a universal remote? |
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Posted by Dan on Sun Jul 6 18:24:39 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 6 18:17:53 2008. Right, the DTV converters are for the over-the-air ATSC signals. But there might be some cable systems out there re-broadcasting the ATSC signals over their cable.I bought 2 of the Magnavox TB100MG9. I don't even have proper DTV antennas hooked up to them and receive a few DTV channels. I'll eventually put a DTV antanna in the attic which should give me reception of all the NYC DTV channels. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Jul 6 18:29:27 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 6 18:17:53 2008. icNo, I have no IR receiver for it atm as I was experimenting with a PC TV card. I only thought to experiment with this idea about an hour after I got the DTV box home. I realize I'm going to need a better antenna for this thing anyway. The old broken antenna ain't doing it that well. But the English channel I do get, is amazingly clearer than what I'm getting on Cable right now for the regular feed. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 6 18:43:01 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by Dan on Sun Jul 6 18:24:39 2008. Right, the DTV converters are for the over-the-air ATSC signals. But there might be some cable systems out there re-broadcasting the ATSC signals over their cable.Wouldn't they be using QAM for that like all of their other channels? Which channels are you getting? I have an old style antenna on the roof and get 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 25, 31, 41 and 68 (the latter two I've switched off because I don't speak Spanish). I can't wait for the analog switchoff so that 13 starts broadcasting their DTV signal in high power. |
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Posted by Dan on Sun Jul 6 19:47:20 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 6 18:43:01 2008. I get at various times 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 25. I'm using an old style rabbit ear vhf/uhf antenna so I can't complain about my spotty reception.QAM is the digital cable standard. But a few cable systens are also sending out the ATSC signals, maybe just as a courtesy to subscribers or by local mandate. Time Warner Cable told me that they are only sending out QAM over their cable. They also said that they will stop broadcasting analog cable in February 2009. I thought they were required to continue analog cable broadcasting until 2012. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 7 15:26:24 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by Dan on Sun Jul 6 19:47:20 2008. Nope ... no such requirements for cable. They'll rent you a box that you can hook up to an old analog set, so that's how they meet "the requirements." You can still use your old TV, but you need one of THEIR boxes to see it. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Jul 7 15:30:35 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 7 15:26:24 2008. i finally got mine 2 apex models with line outputs to any video inmore channels quality kinda ok still looking for the best antenna for it oh well i got 2 of them now selkirk tmo !! hows dat' 4 a old black dude like me ? lol |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 7 15:34:24 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Jul 7 15:30:35 2008. Didn't realize that one needed to wire up a black dude for better reception. I'll give that a try. Congrats, BTW. :)Depending on how far you are from Hollyweird, you'll probably do just fine with an old POS pair of rabbitears ... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 7 15:40:34 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Jul 6 18:29:27 2008. The converter boxes are designed to put out baseband video and audio or channel 3 "old tv" only ... you should be able to pass the signal to your computer card and take it in as analog video or channel 3 on the tuner side (baseband will be a LOT better looking [and sounding] though). As for an antenna, if regular rabbit ears don't cut it, I recommend the PHILIPS "amplified antenna" ... that's what I use. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Jul 7 17:17:14 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 7 15:34:24 2008. ROFLLMAO LOL thanks 4 the good joke !! :) the ''mount'' wilson transmitters'' [ R ] right up on da' nearest hill l00king down on us so we have good reception even with analog ! not happy no battery operated portables DTVs are made for this new crapola !! and no portable DTV sets either that i can find !! back to the 1950s stay at home or miss the action damnn dude :( |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jul 7 17:42:01 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 7 15:40:34 2008. I'll probably get that antenna for my "end of days" box. Some of them over the air channels were CLEAR.The box I got has the option of chan 3 or 4. Ventura something something. 10.69 @ target after Government cheese debit card. Advertises right on the box to use DTV coupon. Amazingly, for a made in china equipment, the sticker says manufactored Jun 2008. But, how the heck did they ship it here that quick? Airmail? Boats and trains, and trucks aren't that quick. I sense a stickergate! |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jul 7 17:45:21 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Jul 7 17:17:14 2008. I can't imagine how hard it is for you to find English programming over the air if I have trouble, but I'm surprised you said the reception ain't that great.Problem with digital over the air seems that you don't get fuzzy reception. you get the pixalation boxyness like it's breaking up, nothing at all, or good. Or that's what I'm getting. You get that same issue if you have cable TV, with digital, and you got a screwed up wire too. What else is cool is that you get the info and show name/description just like cable tv. If only they had this YEARS ago! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 7 17:49:02 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jul 7 17:42:01 2008. Nah, probably came in on a floating 1956 Chevy from Havana. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 7 17:50:27 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jul 7 17:45:21 2008. Finding the right place in a room for digital reception is its own reward. Then the dog comes in, parks its ass in front of the sofa and everything goes away. Reminds me of the 1950's where you had to get up and diddle more with the antenna than the horizontal hold control. :) |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jul 7 18:25:58 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 7 17:50:27 2008. I got enough problems with the Sirius antenna. And I got a powerful outdoor one...indoors. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Jul 7 21:12:34 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 7 17:50:27 2008. what i meant folks is the portable battery operated TVis now totally dead and i think this is wrong in my opinion |
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Posted by Robert King on Mon Jul 7 21:13:19 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Jul 6 18:29:27 2008. Welcome to the cable and satellite TV business' dirty little secret...The over the air bitrates are higher than what either of them give you, and it does make a difference. -Robert King |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 7 21:21:44 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Jul 7 21:12:34 2008. For now ... they'll make a comeback soon with a digital front end. There's always been a market for those things, only problem is most people aren't really thinking about buying a new one until the old one goes dark ... save your pennies, next year they'll be around. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 7 21:36:21 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by Robert King on Mon Jul 7 21:13:19 2008. Smack! QAM ... four bits! 8VSB ... EIGHT bits! Eight bits! More fun! :) |
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Posted by Robert King on Mon Jul 7 22:07:42 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 7 21:36:21 2008. Your cable companies are using QAM? Not 16-VSB?-Robert King |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 7 22:19:17 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by Robert King on Mon Jul 7 22:07:42 2008. Most of them yes ... fortunately, I get MY teevee off a pizza pan and it's nice MP4 streams. :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 8 02:48:09 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 7 15:26:24 2008. They aren't required to broadcast in Clear-QAM? Verizon intends to stop doing analog via FiOS but the local broadcast and community access channels will still be in clear QAM. What sucks is that they will rent you a box but they won't sell one. The boxes should be cheap enough that you're better off buying if you intend to keep it more than a year. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 8 02:54:51 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jul 7 17:45:21 2008. They have this on analog too. I had a super cheap $90 TV I bought at Target for about a year (then it broke) and it did this for some channels.It's just like the Radio Data System, which is AWESOME! No more wondering what the name of the song you heard was! What would be even cooler would be if those cars with an iPod dock had a system whereby you could press a button to save the name of the song to the iPod so later you could buy it on iTunes (or right away if it's an iPod Touch or iPhone). |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 8 03:14:04 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 8 02:48:09 2008. I don't know what Verizon is planning to do there - all of their coding is QAM (the worst POSSIBLE codec) but I don't know how they plan to do that as their home run is LIGHT and it still has to be decoded with CPE (Customer Premises Equipment) ... what it gets decoded into though I'm not sure of. I doubt it will be anything like the QAM the cables are doing since Quadratute Amplitude Modulation is nothing more than modulating a carrier frequency. Theirs are likely to be quite different from cable.And as to "buy/own" even if they sold the boxes, I wouldn't spend the money as they're already looking at revising their standards and any boxes would be obsolete anyway in a couple of years. I'd rent until then anyway. I've gotten 11 years out of my original Hughes DTV boxes, but it's time to move on now that the new birds are all lit and coming online. Yeah, you might get a year - maybe two out of what they're hooking up now, but I can't see spending for only two years worth of box only to have to buy them again. That's me anyway. :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 8 06:01:45 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 8 03:14:04 2008. If they move to something like IPTV I will cancel the service and switch to cable and I will inform them it is because I am with them solely for TiVo. This is what I will tell DirecTV when I cancel service with them. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 8 06:22:52 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 8 06:01:45 2008. Their PLANS are to offer a "kickass" system ... FWIW, they've already run the fiber to my home but I'm not interested in "DSL only" and there's no "franchise activity" out here as yet. I have had some talks with their engineers and the 12 pair copper that runs out here is on its last working pair now. Given that there's fiber already here, I expect the next trouble call to have them install what they're authorised to do here even if "TV" ain't been franchised as yet.FCC served notice by pre-emption though that there is 90 days between the decision (a week or so ago) and AUTOMATIC approval for FiOS if the community has failed to grant a franchise. So if that's actually going to happen, and PHUCK the PSC, then I'm gonna go for it and let you know if the lineup is as good as DTV. Me? I don't care ... I have tuner cards in a video server and as long as they provide me a BASEBAND output from whatever box, then I'm cool as long as it has an IR on the box I can program to be controlled from the computer. I'm told that "Mediaportal" (which is the server software I use) already has the codes for Verizon FiOS available for switching rate as well as keys that I can write a script for to "talk to the box" so I'm ready if it happens. TiVo ... heh. COMPLETELY honors the "do not record" flag on a video signal. I'll have NONE of that, thank ya ... if I get me a feed into my box, I will NOT accept "do not tape" ... I have 15 terrabytes of hard disk and over 1200 DVD's of things that were worth keeping. Ain't gonna stop now, which is why I don't believe in TiVo. Not to mention that I once watched "Hedwig and the Angry Itch" on IFC and it KEEPS insisting that I *might* want to watch ANOTHER "gay film." Since "Vaterland Sicherheit" is watching, I'm not sure if I want that on my "permanent record." :) The BEAUTY of FiOS though is that they're doing "multicolor" light in that plastic between the REAL glass and your sets. And there's more laser colors coming every few weeks. I really can't SEE them "phucking bandwidth" like the cables do, and now that DirecTV has 5 birds in the air (4 more coming) I don't see THEM running short on bandwidth either. Cable? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Cable phuckers ain't done CHIT since 1998. :( |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 8 07:08:00 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 8 06:22:52 2008. TiVo ... heh. COMPLETELY honors the "do not record" flag on a video signal.They had to in order to keep the Macrovision license and to use CableCards. Recording off a box (like the older style TiVo) makes it difficult to record HD. And I would also enjoy the ability of watching stuff on an iPhone, which the TiVo does as well. Your setup might work for somebody who has 15 TB of hard disks and associated computer equipment but it doesn't work for someone who needs a simple easy to use consumer electronic device. I have little use for permanent archiving, I can just buy the BD or DVD. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 8 07:45:05 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 8 07:08:00 2008. There's a master codec called "SUPER" (with a small circle with an R in it) which is ***THE*** ultimate transcoder! Can recode ANYTHING into any other format, and does it well! I watch movies on a Palm Tungsten E1 fer krissakes (WITH audio sync! heh) ... so MANY tools, so little time. "Broadcast flag?" Heh. Stripped in conversion. Anyone who does video has to have a proper set of tools. They're OUT there! :)I can understand not wanting to bother, but when there's roadblocks to "fair use" as decided by the Supreme Court in the "Home Recording Act," then I *will* exercise my rights. For MOVIES, I buy them although if it's on a pay network, I'll put it on hard disk until I tired of it - but MOST of my personal DVD's are my own stuff, things downloaded from ARCHIVE.ORG (public domain) or local teevee worth keeping to laugh over. And of course, stored backups of DVD's I personally own. STILL ... if you PAY for a payTV channel, you should have the right to rerun a film until you puke, but not burn same ... I've been honked off TOO many times by "this movies has expired" before I *EVER* had time to SEE it. Not anymore. I'll HONOR copyright, but don't make me PAY to see it and when I finally can, tell me I *CAN'T* see it now. :( That's what my server is designed for ... and TiVo, enforcing the rules of "I recorded it, but you didn't watch it before 6AM when the license expired" ... Nope. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jul 8 17:07:49 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 8 02:54:51 2008. Sirius radio is nice for naming the songs and programs. Once you get info for radio or TV, it's hard to go back.Especially since on TV, they don't have the channel logo during commericals, just during the shows when you are most likely to know what channel it is anyway! And commericals are almost 30% of the program time, so I never see some channels when they aren't in commerical! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 8 17:14:19 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 8 02:54:51 2008. I should add that there's also the GEMSTAR system which gets a full program guide which is broadcast in the vertical blanking interval of PBS stations. There are TVs and VCRs also that use PBS to synchronize their clocks. All of this is going away with the analog switch-off.PBS is also much better than History or Discovery or other cable documentary channels. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jul 8 17:50:45 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 8 17:14:19 2008. PBS is okey, but it doesn't have the Naked Archaeologist and other good stuff. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 9 09:00:30 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 8 17:14:19 2008. PBS is also much better than History or Discovery or other cable documentary channels.Agreed, and opponents to PBS funding claimed it wasn't needed due to the 2 channels you mentioned. No way, the programming on PBS rulez. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jul 9 17:10:30 2008, in response to Re: DTV converter Q, posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 9 09:00:30 2008. PBS is locally scheduled. Out of about six of them, I don't know what's above great that you guys are watching, outside the old civil war show, and Shalom Y'all.And that's including some publically financed spanish only PBS channels. Unless you mean Are You Being Served and some other old British Comedy's, since I haven't seen the original Doctor Who in over a decade. But then that's BBC America, not the History Channel. |
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