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Condi spanks Israel

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 14 18:57:23 2008

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Rice: Jewish housing plan undermines peace talks
Rice says Israel undermines Palestinian confidence in peace talks with Jewish housing push

By ANNE GEARAN, Associated Press
Last updated: 4:22 p.m., Saturday, June 14, 2008

JERUSALEM -- The United States took Israel to task Saturday for a planned expansion of Jewish homes in the portion of Jerusalem that Palestinians claim for the capital of a future state.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said such moves undermine the U.S.-backed peace talks.

Rice, while making what has become nearly a monthly trip to assess the negotiations, said Israeli housing expansions are a recurring problem. In particular, she says she will discuss the latest announcement of 1,300 new homes in east Jerusalem with every Israeli official she sees.

With peace talks under way, Rice said, now is a time to build confidence on both sides. "This is simply not helpful to building confidence," she told reporters before arriving in the Israeli capital.

An aide to moderate Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said Saturday that Abbas will insist that Rice pressure Israel to stop the construction. At the same time, an Israeli government spokesman said that Israel was looking forward to "constructive talks" with Rice.

Israel has committed to halt all settlement activity. But the country insists it has the right to build housing for Jews in east Jerusalem because it annexed that sector of the city shortly after capturing it in the 1967 Mideast war.

Israel's announcement on Friday brought to more than 3,000 the number of homes Israel has approved for construction on land that Palestinians claim since the renewal of the U.S.-supported peace talks late last year.

"We firmly condemn this project, which reveals the Israeli government's intention to destroy peace," Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said.

The fate of Jerusalem, site of shrines sacred to Judaism, Islam and Christianity, lies at the heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Palestinians hope to make east Jerusalem the capital of their future state and say continued Israeli construction there makes it difficult to persuade ordinary Palestinians to support peace talks and not violence.

The future of the city recently became an issue in the U.S. presidential election, when Democrat Barack Obama alarmed Palestinians and Arab-Americans by saying Jerusalem should be Israel's capital and remain undivided. He did not initially mention the Arab claim.

Rice and other U.S. officials have publicly scolded Israel over housing before, but her frustration was evident Saturday. Over the year and a half that Rice has been making regular peace missions, there has been a pattern of provocative Israeli housing announcements just before or just after her visit.

"Unfortunately there have been a few whether I'm coming or not," Rice told reporters. Her clipped tone and arched brows revealed annoyance. "Look, it's a problem, and it's a problem that we're going to address with the Israelis," she said.

Although Israeli authorities say the announcements are not related, Palestinians say the timing is clearly meant to placate hard-liners in Israel who oppose the land concessions that would be inevitable if the U.S.-sponsored peace process ever bore fruit.

President Bush predicted Saturday that an Israeli-Palestinian agreement is possible by year's end.

A total of 270,000 Jews live in the West Bank, and an additional 180,000 live in east Jerusalem.

Privately, the Palestinians acknowledge that Israel will hold on to much of the disputed land where Jews live, and are prepared to trade it for equal amounts of Israeli territory. But they say the reports of continued construction weaken support in the Palestinian street for Abbas' administration.

Abbas briefly called off peace talks over the construction earlier this year.

Rice also said Israel has not fully honored its pledge to make practical improvements in the daily lives of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank, where as a security precaution the Israeli military restricts Palestinian movement and controls details of ordinary life.

There are a few small success stories, such as demonstration projects in which Palestinian security forces are operating with some autonomy, Rice said.

"But it's not enough, and there certainly and clearly needs to be more," she said. "I understand the security considerations as well as anyone but the obligation was undertaken to improve the lives of the Palestinians, and we're going to have to work very hard if we're going to make that true in a broader sense."



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Re: Condi betrays Israel

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 14 20:08:19 2008, in response to Condi spanks Israel, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 14 18:57:23 2008.

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You know how to improve the lives of the Palestinians? Kill all the Hamas and Fatah nuts.

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Re: Condi betrays Israel

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 14 20:15:36 2008, in response to Re: Condi betrays Israel, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 14 20:08:19 2008.

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AH well ... McCain fix all?

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Re: Condi betrays Israel

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 14 20:24:21 2008, in response to Re: Condi betrays Israel, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 14 20:15:36 2008.

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I didn't bring up McCain. Stop acting like a Neocon.

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Re: Condi spanks Israel

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 14 20:42:44 2008, in response to Re: Condi betrays Israel, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 14 20:24:21 2008.

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Title RE-corrected. :)

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Re: Condi betrays Israel

Posted by Robert King on Sat Jun 14 21:10:13 2008, in response to Re: Condi betrays Israel, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 14 20:15:36 2008.

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You're going to beat them to death with frozen french fries and pizzas?

That guy has to just love that website...

-Robert King

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Re: Condi spanks Israel

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 14 21:16:13 2008, in response to Condi spanks Israel, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 14 18:57:23 2008.

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Rice says Israel undermines Palestinian confidence in peace talks with Jewish housing push

And the launching of rockets by Palestinians does exactly what to Israeli confidence?

Jews undermine the process by building things. Palestinians do so by blowing them up. Remember that when you're asked to choose a side.

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Re: Prolog betrays Israel

Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jun 14 21:17:34 2008, in response to Re: Condi betrays Israel, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 14 20:08:19 2008.

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Title corrected.

You advocate for polcies that will only strengthen Hamas' hand. You actually want Hamas to get to the point where there will be a bloody all-out war in Gaza, killing many Palestinians and Israelis alike . Youvare a traitor to Israel.

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Re: Condi betrays Israel

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 14 21:18:41 2008, in response to Re: Condi betrays Israel, posted by Robert King on Sat Jun 14 21:10:13 2008.

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Heh. Now THERE'S a weapon of mass destruction! :)

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Re: Condi betrays Israel

Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 14 21:25:39 2008, in response to Re: Condi betrays Israel, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 14 21:18:41 2008.

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And there's a German Version, just for Olog :D

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Condi spanks Israel

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 14 21:49:57 2008, in response to Re: Condi spanks Israel, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 14 21:16:13 2008.

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Not choosing a side at all, I've always given the edge to Israel for doing their best to try to be fair and reasonable while the Palestinian side has not. However right now, BOTH sides are engaging in "collective punishment" of the other side's "non-combatants" and at some point, it's got to stop. There's also the issue of those "settlements" on the Israeli side, and unwarranted violence on the Palestinian side and so far, nobody's doing the proper degree of butting heads to make BOTH sides stop, take a breather, and try to come up with a better outcome than the current madness. But I digress.

Merely pointing out here in THIS thread that the Bush administration is now blaming Israel, and that might be something for staunch supporters of the Bush administration to consider. That's all ...

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Re: Condi betrays Israel

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 14 21:56:17 2008, in response to Re: Condi betrays Israel, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 14 21:25:39 2008.

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Heh. Gutes Essen! :)

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Re: Condi spanks Israel

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jun 14 23:08:54 2008, in response to Condi spanks Israel, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 14 18:57:23 2008.

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Again? Notice she only blasts jews living in houses the day after Hamas fires 50 rockets into Israel(in response to Hamas blowing up it's own daycare). Just like the last time when they hit a mall.
Talk about appeasement if she wants 2nd class status for people in their own country.

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Re: Condi spanks Israel

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 14 23:49:49 2008, in response to Re: Condi spanks Israel, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jun 14 23:08:54 2008.

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Well, both sides DO have innocent, non-combatants caught in the middle and the current policies don't seem to be working. And the settlements issues are definitely a problem. Dunno what the solution is, but it's pretty apparent that the current status quo isn't working for anyone. :(

There seems to be a bit of hope on the Palestinian side that perhaps Obama might offer a new start. Maybe that can amount to some dialogue that begins to end the madness for real. Or not ...

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Re: Condi betrays Israel

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 14 23:53:57 2008, in response to Re: Condi spanks Israel, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 14 23:49:49 2008.

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There seems to be a bit of hope on the Palestinian side that perhaps Obama might offer a new start

. . . to violence. Remember what "Fatah" and "Hamas" mean? "Conquest" and "Violence", respectively.

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Re: Condi betrays Israel

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 14 23:59:01 2008, in response to Re: Condi betrays Israel, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 14 23:53:57 2008.

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I see ... changing the subject, and ignoring the question is perfectly acceptable when YOU do it. I understand. :)

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Re: Condi spanks Israel

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jun 15 00:10:55 2008, in response to Re: Condi spanks Israel, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 14 23:49:49 2008.

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If there were innocent, non-combantants on one of the sides, they left YEARS ago.
But yea, when you base your life around hatred, kidnap and kill reporters, and anyone you find named mohammoud(a few dozen since the takeover), and steal hospital supplies and spy on the internet of your population, I can see how those people would also be offended that jews live in houses and not tents. that's been a problem for centuries goes back to North Africa and Yemen.
Yea yea, Hamas and Fatah are both so different anyway that I'm mixing them al;l up, whatever.

ex-gazans
"When the Israelis ruled Gaza, people lived like kings. Only when the army goes into Gaza can they finish it."

Where's Condi?
SA’ADA, May 25 — A fifth war between the Yemeni army and Houthis has broken out fiercely in numerous Sa’ada districts, Amran governorate’s Harf Sifyan district and Sana’a governorate’s Bani Hushaish district, leaving hundreds on both sides killed or injured, tribal sources said Sunday, adding that the war is the fiercest ever since fighting between the two sides first erupted in June 2004.

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Re: Condi betrays Israel

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 15 00:17:02 2008, in response to Re: Condi spanks Israel, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jun 15 00:10:55 2008.

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Right at the beginning of the UN, the "Palestinians" were offered the two-state solution. They preferred to go to war. So it's generations of this noise, with even worse brainwashing than what happened in the Fatherland. The two-state solution died fifty years ago; time to stop resurrecting it and put the aggressors in their place. (The EU likes to breathe new life into the "two-state solushun" because the country that leads the EU, and if we don't know who that is then we had better wake up, have the Holy Land in their sights—again.)

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Re: Condi betrays Israel

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jun 15 00:19:31 2008, in response to Re: Condi betrays Israel, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 15 00:17:02 2008.

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Apparently, only people thousands of miles away push for the 4-state solution. Although it only spells one state, and that's because stage two is inclusion of Jordan, which won't be easy, since Syria still thinks Israel is theirs as it is. I can't recall atm where they got that from, but it's supposed to be the same reason as Lebanon.

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Re: Condi spanks Israel

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 15 00:19:58 2008, in response to Re: Condi spanks Israel, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jun 15 00:10:55 2008.

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Well, like I said, the way things are going now are SO much better, no? Main thing though is that Condi has made it rather plain what the current administration and very likely its successor on that side of the aisle has planned ... and with Israel making a rather clear effort to crush "Hussein" like a grape, just figured folks might want to know what they're getting themselves into ... I'll leave it there.

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Re: Condi betrays Israel

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 15 00:21:23 2008, in response to Re: Condi betrays Israel, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jun 15 00:19:31 2008.

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Never heard of the "four-state solution". Care to elaborate?

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Re: Condi betrays Israel

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jun 15 11:07:37 2008, in response to Re: Condi betrays Israel, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 15 00:21:23 2008.

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The two state solution was probably balfour or prior, when the Palestine Mandate was supposed to be half and half. They shurnk that back a few time because the English couldn't have a jewish state too big, so the border became the Jordan River. Split, now you have TransJordan and Israel. The two halves of "palestine".
Now they want another subdivision? That would be 3 states. Ignoring Gaza, which would be state #4 until/unless Hamas gets the west Bank too. State #3. From there they cry and get Israel, and after that they take back Jordan, like Arafat tried to do. Down to one state from 4.
Because I'd like to see the Eurotrash forcibly disarm Hamas while an Obama calls them as legit as Hezzy is.
Which brings us back to the Syria question.

Of course they'd have a viable community now had they not rejected living in the Sinai.

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Re: Condi spanks Israel

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 15 11:38:32 2008, in response to Re: Condi spanks Israel, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 14 23:49:49 2008.

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The settlements aren't a problem when you consider that many Palestinians, including their leaders consider all of Israel to be an illegal settlement. To them, Tel Aviv is an Israeli settlement.

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Re: Condi spanks Israel

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jun 15 12:10:21 2008, in response to Re: Condi spanks Israel, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 15 11:38:32 2008.

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They even recently invented a new name that Tel Aviv was supposedly before.
Amazing that 15million palestinians could build such a city, keep it secret except to the jews who stole it. Can't find any record of it in old and rare books

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Re: Condi betrays Israel

Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 15 12:15:10 2008, in response to Re: Condi betrays Israel, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 14 23:53:57 2008.

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Remember what "Olog-hai" means? Why should we listen to you?

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Re: Condi spanks Israel

Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 15 12:32:38 2008, in response to Re: Condi spanks Israel, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jun 14 23:08:54 2008.

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There are obviously two classes and Jews in Israel are by rule of law the first class and non-Jews are by rule of law second class.

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Re: Condi spanks Israel

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jun 15 13:41:40 2008, in response to Re: Condi spanks Israel, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 15 12:32:38 2008.

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nope, all kaffirs are second class. Jews are 3rd class. Don't look any 1st class people in the eyes, don't wear shoes, and don't walk on the sidewalk.

You can see why having them live in actual solid structures by their own free will can be the most offensive thing to a palarab. Out of all the things that go on in the world, that's not the one that I'm crying a river over. No matter how many t-shirts Urban Outfitters sell.

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Re: Condi spanks Israel

Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 15 13:54:59 2008, in response to Re: Condi spanks Israel, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jun 15 13:41:40 2008.

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Are you still talking about Israel? You seemed to have moved on to somewhere else. Somewhere not in reality I suspect. Or can you provide evidence that this is the current reality in Israel?

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Re: Condi spanks Israel

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jun 15 13:59:29 2008, in response to Re: Condi spanks Israel, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 15 13:54:59 2008.

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reality is obviously over your head here, times too short to watch you argue with yourself over Israel after Obama/Powers attacks it.

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Re: Condi spanks Israel

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jun 15 13:59:57 2008, in response to Re: Condi spanks Israel, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 15 13:54:59 2008.

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I forgot the abed greeting.

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Re: Condi spanks Israel

Posted by AlM on Sun Jun 15 14:01:34 2008, in response to Re: Condi spanks Israel, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 15 13:54:59 2008.

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Are you still talking about Israel? You seemed to have moved on to somewhere else. Somewhere not in reality I suspect. Or can you provide evidence that this is the current reality in Israel?

Not to mention that he also has this great enjoyment of using the South African word for "nigger".





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Re: Condi spanks Israel

Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 15 14:02:51 2008, in response to Re: Condi spanks Israel, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jun 15 13:59:29 2008.

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You have no evidence to support your statement that Jews are second class citizens in Israel because it isn't true and now you want to insult me for pointing that out.

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Re: Condi spanks Israel

Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 15 14:04:20 2008, in response to Re: Condi spanks Israel, posted by AlM on Sun Jun 15 14:01:34 2008.

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I noticed that as well.

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Re: Condi betrays Israel

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 15 15:49:02 2008, in response to Re: Condi spanks Israel, posted by AlM on Sun Jun 15 14:01:34 2008.

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Not to mention that he also has this great enjoyment of using the South African word for "nigger"

No he didn't. Stop playing immature games.

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Re: Condi spanks Israel

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 15 15:51:08 2008, in response to Re: Condi spanks Israel, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 15 12:32:38 2008.

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Jews in Israel are by rule of law the first class

Rule of law? Show us the law that says that.

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Re: Condi betrays Israel

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 15 15:52:03 2008, in response to Re: Condi spanks Israel, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 14 20:42:44 2008.

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You aren't going to be able to fix what Neocons have messed up by behaving just like them.

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Re: RonInMarx'sBackside *constantly* betrays Israel

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 15 15:54:25 2008, in response to Re: Prolog betrays Israel, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jun 14 21:17:34 2008.

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You advocate policies that will only strengthen Hamas' hand.

You actually want Hamas to get to the point where there will be a bloody all-out war in Gaza, killing many Palestinians and Israelis alike.

Even worse, you advocate policies that will strengthen Hezbollah's hand and will result in an all-out war on two fronts.

You are a traitor to Israel.



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Re: Condi betrays Israel

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 15 15:56:37 2008, in response to Re: Condi betrays Israel, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jun 15 11:07:37 2008.

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I'd like to see the Eurotrash forcibly disarm Hamas

Believe me, you don't want to see Eurocrusaders become world police.

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Re: Condi betrays Israel

Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 15 16:48:06 2008, in response to Re: Condi betrays Israel, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 15 15:49:02 2008.

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Yes he did. He chooses that non-traditional spelling because that's the South African slur.

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Re: Condi betrays Israel

Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 15 16:54:20 2008, in response to Re: Condi betrays Israel, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 15 15:52:03 2008.

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When Pat Buchanan says "Neocon" he means pro-Israel Jewish conservatives. Who are you referring to when you say Neocon?

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Re: Condi spanks Israel

Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 15 17:07:09 2008, in response to Re: Condi spanks Israel, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 15 15:51:08 2008.

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I looked and the closest that I could find is that all Jews are granted citizenship if desired while the residents of "Palestine" are essentially barred.

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Re: Condi betrays Israel

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 15 19:20:10 2008, in response to Re: Condi spanks Israel, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 15 17:07:09 2008.

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Uh, not exactly (you're distorting the Right of Return). Otherwise there would be no Palestinians in Israel. Palestinians are even in the Knesset; did you know that? Now try and find Jews in the Palestinian National Authority.

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Re: Condi spanks Israel

Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Jun 15 20:06:27 2008, in response to Re: Condi spanks Israel, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 15 17:07:09 2008.

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what's the difference between "jews" and "residents of Palestine".
And I'm referring to the original terms, not the new UN redefinition of '47.

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Re: Condi punishes Israel for aggression

Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 20:17:44 2008, in response to Re: Condi betrays Israel, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 15 19:20:10 2008.

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Israeli Arabs are in the Knesset.
It is possible for a Palestinian to gain Israeli Citizenship and run for Knesset so you certainly could be right.

"Now try and find Jews in the Palestinian National Authority."

If there aren't, it's too bad. But it's up to the Palestinians to decide if they want to fix that.

Obviously, you are in favor of Israelis stooping over low and selling out democracy. That is why you are a traitor to Israel and to democracy.




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Re: Condi spanks Israel

Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 20:23:37 2008, in response to Re: Condi spanks Israel, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Jun 15 20:06:27 2008.

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"And I'm referring to the original terms"

No, you're not. Orginially part the place was called Canaan and the Jews slaughtered the Cannanites. So why don'tt you put away your nonsense and find something else to think about?



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Re: Condi betrays Israel

Posted by AlM on Sun Jun 15 20:50:44 2008, in response to Re: Condi betrays Israel, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 15 15:49:02 2008.

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No he didn't.

Reference: Cry the Beloved Country, by Alan Paton.

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Re: Condi spanks Israel

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 15 20:52:55 2008, in response to Re: Condi spanks Israel, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 15 17:07:09 2008.

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Residents of Outer Mongolia aren't granted Israeli citizenship either, so what's your point?

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Re: Condi betrays Israel

Posted by AlM on Sun Jun 15 20:56:12 2008, in response to Re: Condi betrays Israel, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 15 15:49:02 2008.

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See also

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaffir_(ethnic_slur)


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Re: Condi spanks Israel

Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 15 21:02:27 2008, in response to Re: Condi spanks Israel, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 15 20:52:55 2008.

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That Jews in Israel are in no danger of becoming second class citizens and that Condi Rice does not want them to be second class citizens.

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Re: Condi betrays Israel

Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 15 21:08:31 2008, in response to Re: Condi betrays Israel, posted by AlM on Sun Jun 15 20:56:12 2008.

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Ayup. Prolog isn't too knowledgable about that...

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