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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jun 7 15:34:29 2008 Days after Hill's RFK speech, he midjudges while flip-flopping and groveling to the special interest.Palestinians are reacting angrily to Barack Obama's first foreign policy speech as the presumptive U.S. Democratic presidential candidate in which he called for Jerusalem to be the "undivided" capital of Israel Right on, we all remember the Jordanian apartheid wall and how their soldiers used civilians for sniper practice! no division! Speaking to reporters in Washington after meeting with U.S. President George W. Bush, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert was effusive about Obama's speech, calling it "very moving" and "impressive." Translation, they think he's a lier on their side. aka, a new type of politican. |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Sat Jun 7 16:03:38 2008, in response to Barack angers arab world, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jun 7 15:34:29 2008. EVERYBODY has to grovel to the Israeli lobby....aren't you yet aware of politics on the global scale??? Where you been keeping your head, in the sand? |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jun 7 16:17:54 2008, in response to Re: Barack angers arab world, posted by BMT Guy on Sat Jun 7 16:03:38 2008. like my sarcastic postings on the Israel lobby(which hasn't ever gotten a response yet), if that's the case, how'd we end up with McCain, Hilly and Obama?And why isn't Kerry President? And does he really think we're that stupid that he can spin around, change his tune, and become a whole new person for 4 months of every 4 years or 2 years during election time and we all buy it?! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 7 16:26:00 2008, in response to Re: Barack angers arab world, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jun 7 16:17:54 2008. Hannity and Colmes was showing clips from Hamas TV of some Pro-Palestinian Brit who is raving about how great Obama would be for them. Colmes said the "endorsement" means nothing. Obama is really angering the very people he built his career around. Local arab community in Chicago is already mad, and has expressed their frustration with Obama. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 7 16:26:55 2008, in response to Barack angers arab world, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jun 7 15:34:29 2008. 
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jun 7 16:51:43 2008, in response to Barack angers arab world, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jun 7 15:34:29 2008. My decision whether or not to vote for Obama has nothing to do with Israel. If Obama decides not to endorse Israeli policy regarding the West Bank it makes no difference to me. Israel's existence is not threatened and I see no need to rubber stamp whatever the Israeli PM and the Knesset want to do and then hand them my tax dollars to do it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 7 20:20:25 2008, in response to Re: Barack angers arab world, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jun 7 16:51:43 2008. Israel's existence is not threatenedproff? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 7 20:21:20 2008, in response to Re: Barack angers arab world, posted by BMT Guy on Sat Jun 7 16:03:38 2008. EVERYBODY has to grovel to the Israeli lobbyPalestinian propaganda. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 7 20:25:08 2008, in response to Re: Barack angers arab world, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 7 16:26:00 2008. Local arab community in Chicago is already mad, and has expressed their frustration with ObamaMaybe they read Dreams Of My Father and decided that he's a one-issue politician. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jun 7 23:51:27 2008, in response to Re: Barack angers arab world, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 7 16:26:00 2008. Won't be the first time they got the shaft. Obama's meeting with the same people Dubya did pre-9/11, and look how that turned out for them.Of course Dubya has some type of conscience. He doesn't care what anyone thinks of him :) |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jun 7 23:52:41 2008, in response to Re: Barack angers arab world, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 7 20:20:25 2008. Not sure what's more alarming, that nor the fact that, no surprise, Ron doesn't feel the need to vote based on who is a decent person, or who isn't "inhumane and unconstitutional".Don't need a war criminal for president. Sorry. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 8 02:28:54 2008, in response to Re: Barack angers arab world, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jun 7 23:52:41 2008. There isn't a war criminal running for President, unless you're talking about the War Criminals Association who meets Fridays at the Y.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 8 02:31:30 2008, in response to Barack angers arab world, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jun 7 15:34:29 2008. If my enemy were holding an election, I would vocally support the guy I didn't want to win so that everyone would flock around the guy I did want to see in power. Just me.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 8 02:43:02 2008, in response to Re: Barack angers arab world, posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 8 02:31:30 2008. Perfect example:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Osama_bin_Laden_video |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 8 02:53:03 2008, in response to Re: Barack angers arab world, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 8 02:43:02 2008. If I were them, I'd want a saber-rattler in power so that I could rally my peeps against "a great satan". If the guy in power wanted dialogue with me, my peeps would be bugging me about "why don't you want to talk with him? he's got firepower aimed at us".Nah...never happen :( your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 8 03:15:01 2008, in response to Re: Barack angers arab world, posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 8 02:53:03 2008. Given that Bin Laden always *was* a republican operative, that makes me go "hmmmm" as well. :( |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 8 03:23:00 2008, in response to Re: Barack angers arab world, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 8 03:15:01 2008. I swear I've seen him before, like at the GOP Convention, selling hot dogs, REICHSTAG brand hot dogs, yeah that's it :Dyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 8 03:35:33 2008, in response to Re: Barack angers arab world, posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 8 03:23:00 2008. Something about Reagan, the Russians, Afghanistan, Mujahadeen but it's all fuzzy now ... ah well, probably nothing. :-\ |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 8 03:40:17 2008, in response to Re: Barack angers arab world, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 8 03:35:33 2008. That stuff never happened. You need to be using THIS book.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 8 04:00:58 2008, in response to Re: Barack angers arab world, posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 8 03:40:17 2008. It's the EU's fault ... nevermind the Israeli transportation minister making the oil speculators wealthy beyond their wildest dreams. Oh wait, can't talk about THAT! :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 8 04:05:08 2008, in response to Re: Barack angers arab world, posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 8 03:40:17 2008. And heaven forfend anybody mention THIS book:
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 8 04:08:58 2008, in response to Re: Barack angers arab world, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 8 04:00:58 2008. Then it's all Germany's fault. Think about it.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 8 04:14:38 2008, in response to Re: Barack angers arab world, posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 8 04:08:58 2008. Well ... our friend seems pretty peeved at everybody over there, I'm surprised there hasn't been gastritis over the Greeks. :)Meanwhile, on planet earth, far far away from his bogeymen, comes THIS little morsel of truth that will make him apoplectic: People vs. Dinosaurs Op-Ed Columnist By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN Published: June 8, 2008 Tefen Industrial Park, Israel Question: What do America’s premier investor, Warren Buffett, and Iran’s toxic president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, have in common? Answer: They’ve both made a bet about Israel’s future. Ahmadinejad declared on Monday that Israel “has reached its final phase and will soon be wiped out from the geographic scene.” By coincidence, I heard the Iranian leader’s statement on Israel Radio just as I was leaving the headquarters of Iscar, Israel’s famous precision tool company, headquartered in the Western Galilee, near the Lebanon border. Iscar is known for many things, most of all for being the first enterprise that Buffett bought overseas for his holding company, Berkshire Hathaway. Buffett paid $4 billion for 80 percent of Iscar and the deal just happened to close a few days before Hezbollah, a key part of Iran’s holding company, attacked Israel in July 2006, triggering a monthlong war. I asked Iscar’s chairman, Eitan Wertheimer, what was Buffett’s reaction when he found out that he had just paid $4 billion for an Israeli company and a few days later Hezbollah rockets were landing outside its parking lot. Buffett just brushed it off with a wave, recalled Wertheimer: “He said, ‘I’m not interested in the next quarter. I’m interested in the next 20 years.’ ” Wertheimer repaid that confidence by telling half his employees to stay home during the war and using the other half to keep the factory from not missing a day of work and setting a production record for the month. It helps when many of your “employees” are robots that move around the buildings, beeping humans out of the way. So who would you put your money on? Buffett or Ahmadinejad? I’d short Ahmadinejad and go long Warren Buffett. Why? From outside, Israel looks as if it’s in turmoil, largely because the entire political leadership seems to be under investigation. But Israel is a weak state with a strong civil society. The economy is exploding from the bottom up. Israel’s currency, the shekel, has appreciated nearly 30 percent against the dollar since the start of 2007. The reason? Israel is a country that is hard-wired to compete in a flat world. It has a population drawn from 100 different countries, speaking 100 different languages, with a business culture that strongly encourages individual imagination and adaptation and where being a nonconformist is the norm. While you were sleeping, Israel has gone from oranges to software, or as they say around here, from Jaffa to Java. The day I visited the Iscar campus, one of its theaters was filled with industrialists from the Czech Republic, who were getting a lecture — in Czech — from Iscar experts. The Czechs came all the way to the Israel-Lebanon border region to learn about the latest innovations in precision tool-making. Wertheimer is famous for staying close to his customers and the latest technologies. “If you sleep on the floor,” he likes to say, “you never have to worry about falling out of bed.” That kind of hunger explains why, in the first quarter of 2008, the top four economies after America in attracting venture capital for start-ups were: Europe $1.53 billion, China $719 million, Israel $572 million and India $99 million, according to Dow Jones VentureSource. Israel, with 7 million people, attracted almost as much as China, with 1.3 billion. Boaz Golany, who heads engineering at the Technion, Israel’s M.I.T., told me: “In the last eight months, we have had delegations from I.B.M., General Motors, Procter & Gamble and Wal-Mart visiting our campus. They are all looking to develop R & D centers in Israel.” Ahmadinejad professes not to care about such things. He was — to put it in American baseball terms — born on third base and thinks he hit a triple. Because oil prices have gone up to nearly $140 a barrel, he feels relaxed predicting that Israel will disappear, while Iran maintains a welfare state — with more than 10 percent unemployment. Iran has invented nothing of importance since the Islamic Revolution, which is a shame. Historically, Iranians have been a dynamic and inventive people — one only need look at the richness of Persian civilization to see that. But the Islamic regime there today does not trust its people and will not empower them as individuals. Of course, oil wealth can buy all the software and nuclear technology you want, or can’t develop yourself. This is not an argument that we shouldn’t worry about Iran. Ahmadinejad should, though. Iran’s economic and military clout today is largely dependent on extracting oil from the ground. Israel’s economic and military power today is entirely dependent on extracting intelligence from its people. Israel’s economic power is endlessly renewable. Iran’s is a dwindling resource based on fossil fuels made from dead dinosaurs. So who will be here in 20 years? I’m with Buffett: I’ll bet on the people who bet on their people — not the people who bet on dead dinosaurs. ----------------- Company *I* work for is over there as well ... |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 8 04:25:43 2008, in response to Re: Barack angers arab world, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 8 04:14:38 2008. I still say Ahmadinejad is on thin ice, but it's a no brainer wager between him and Buffet.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 8 04:37:14 2008, in response to Re: Barack angers arab world, posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 8 04:25:43 2008. That and we can stay home from Iran. Israel's got it covered.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 8 04:55:08 2008, in response to Re: Barack angers arab world, posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 8 04:37:14 2008. Actually, they've got themselves covered ... in chit. Folks are getting peeved at their own government over there since Iran has qwap for refineries and the price of gas over there is going up as well. Among other things they're getting tired of amongst their own. But with the realities being what they are in Israel as well as the rest of the middle east, no point in picking up the turnip twaddler here. :)Some day, someone's going to have the stones to ask Iran to take in the Palestinians. Watch what happens. :-\ |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 8 07:21:49 2008, in response to Barack angers arab world, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jun 7 15:34:29 2008. He's doing wonders for foreign policy already, and he's not even elected.... |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Jun 8 13:56:51 2008, in response to Re: Barack angers arab world, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 8 04:05:08 2008. I guess he took a nap before reading My Pet Goat to elementary students as the planes hit the WTC and the Pentagon and totally forgot the warning. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 8 17:09:33 2008, in response to Re: Barack angers arab world, posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 8 03:23:00 2008. selling hot dogs, REICHSTAG brand hot dogsWhat does this have to do with the European Union? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 8 17:11:36 2008, in response to Re: Barack angers arab world, posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 8 02:31:30 2008. You're the guy you want to see in power? |
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