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Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jun 6 07:00:14 2008

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Sicko's pair up.

'Iran, Turkey cooperate against Kurds'
By ASSOCIATED PRESS

Turkey and Iran have been carrying out coordinated strikes against Kurdish rebels based in northern Iraq, a top general told media Thursday in the first military confirmation of Iranian-Turkish cooperation in the fight against separatists there.

Gen. Ilker Basbug, Turkey's land forces commander, said the two countries have been sharing intelligence and planned more coordinated attacks in the future against the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, and PEJAK, the group's Iranian wing.

"We are sharing intelligence with Iran, we are talking, we are coordinating," Private CNN-Turk television quoted Basbug as telling reporters on the sidelines of a security conference in Istanbul.

"When they start an operation, we do too," the general said. "They carry out an operation from the Iranian side of the border, we from the Turkish side."

The general was quoted as saying no coordinated action had taken place in the past couple of months, but that more cooperation was possible if deemed necessary.

"We haven't done it in the past one or two months, but we can do it again," he said.

I'm wondering if the worlds #1 human rights violators actions would knock gaza off the wires, or does real collective punishment not count? PS, Hear of the AP Hamas photographer kidnapped by them?!?
The PKK, which has bases in northern Iraq, has been fighting for self-rule in southeastern Turkey since 1984. Tens of thousands of people have died in the conflict.

The main rebel camp is on Mt. Qandil, which sits on the Iraqi-Iranian border.

Turkey and Iran have shelled the area. Iran alleges that rebels from PEJAK, or the Party for Free Life in Kurdistan, are also based on Mt. Qandil. PEJAK is fighting for Kurdish rights in Iran.


Where's the un? And hows last month "a few months"?

Friday, 2 May 2008

Turkey's air force has launched fresh bombing raids against bases of separatist Kurds in northern Iraq.

Several Turkish jets began the raids at 2300 (2000 GMT) on Thursday, the Turkish military said. All the planes returned safely to base, it added.

The strikes targeted Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) guerrillas based in the Qandil Mountains in northern Iraq.

Turkey has staged several cross-border raids into northern Iraq over the past few months in pursuit of the rebels.

A television station run by the Iraqi Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) said several villages in the Pishdar district were bombed by Turkish jets on Thursday night. It said there were no casualties in the villages.

In February, Ankara launched a week-long ground offensive in northern Iraq which, it said, targeted bases used by up to 3,000 Kurdish rebels as a springboard for attacks across the border.

It accuses Iraq of failing to stop the PKK - who are fighting for greater autonomy in south-eastern Turkey - from using the area as a safe haven.


So we let Turkey and Iran invade what the NYTimes calls our most sucessful nationbuilding task ever?

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by BMTLines on Fri Jun 6 07:38:26 2008, in response to Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jun 6 07:00:14 2008.

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The Ottoman Empire never changes!!

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Jun 6 09:36:02 2008, in response to Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jun 6 07:00:14 2008.

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It's funny ... Turkey is our close bosom buddy, Iran is our mortal enemy, and they've teamed up to attack the one group of people in Iraq that we actually like.

Last year the War Nerd wrote a multi-part piece about the Kurds. Interesting stuff. Quick summary: it sucks to be a Kurd.

My LIRR/NYCT blog

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Forest Glen on Fri Jun 6 11:42:35 2008, in response to Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Jun 6 09:36:02 2008.

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I always thought of Turkey as a moderate country. I don't even think women have to wear veils. Istanbul almost looks like New York.

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 7 00:47:23 2008, in response to Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Forest Glen on Fri Jun 6 11:42:35 2008.

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I always thought of Turkey as a moderate country

Ha ha ha.

Atatürk was moderate. He set up things so that if the country went too radical, the military would reset it back to "moderate" again. But now they have a radical prime minister and a radical military. They've even taken to putting veils on women again.

Istanbul almost looks like New York

Don't insult New York like that. And I'm not fond of the name Istanbul, nor Constantinople; the original name was Byzantium.

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 7 00:51:25 2008, in response to Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Jun 6 09:36:02 2008.

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Wow. Insightful. Welcome back to the real world; I know it is t3h 5uxx0rz, but you can't really escape it.

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 7 00:53:17 2008, in response to Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jun 6 07:00:14 2008.

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Guess they've given up their bid to join the EU in earnest, eh? The righties in Germany and France will have their case strengthened against letting them in.

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Jun 7 01:04:29 2008, in response to Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 7 00:53:17 2008.

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yay! I wonder if France [Chirac] and Germany [shroder] were still runned by those 2, would they let Turkey in with open arms even knowing they will attack the kurds?

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 7 01:06:53 2008, in response to Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Grand concourse on Sat Jun 7 01:04:29 2008.

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PKK = a terrorist organization.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 7 01:08:37 2008, in response to Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 7 01:06:53 2008.

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Marxist terrorists, specifically.

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 7 01:11:07 2008, in response to Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 7 01:08:37 2008.

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With Putin at the helm in Russia, we need Turkey in our corner.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to kill PKK terrorists

Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jun 7 01:30:23 2008, in response to Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jun 6 07:00:14 2008.

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Title corrected.

Having said that, I would have liked the US to offer Turkey $750 billion in guaranteed hard currency to allow the formation of a country called Kurdistan on its southern border and to offer its own Kurdish region more self governance.

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Jun 7 01:40:48 2008, in response to Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 7 01:06:53 2008.

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Well technically if Turkey would just agree to acknowledge a 'Kurdistan' state and let a segment of the country get annexed to Kurdistan then this war would be over. Then again maybe that's over simplifying it.

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 7 01:45:18 2008, in response to Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Grand concourse on Sat Jun 7 01:40:48 2008.

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Well yeah, but the Turks don't wanna do that so they're going to fight. The U.S. doesn't wanna give back to Mexico what was originally Mexico either.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 7 01:48:37 2008, in response to Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 7 01:45:18 2008.

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What was "originally Mexico"? The Spanish Empire?

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 7 01:49:23 2008, in response to Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 7 01:11:07 2008.

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Then we need another Atatürk. Erdogan is very far away from that.

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 7 01:53:10 2008, in response to Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 7 01:49:23 2008.

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Well yeah, but it is what it is. They're going to elect who they want and we can cheer or boo from the sidelines but it's their sandbox.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 7 01:53:14 2008, in response to Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 7 01:49:23 2008.

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Well yeah, but it is what it is. They're going to elect who they want and we can cheer or boo from the sidelines but it's their sandbox.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jun 7 10:34:33 2008, in response to Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 7 00:47:23 2008.

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May 29th, 2008, the 500th anniversary of turkish occupation of Constantinople.

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jun 7 10:36:23 2008, in response to Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 7 01:45:18 2008.

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You're allowed to speak Spanish in the US, as all the stuff in teh supermarket is becoming bilingual.

You speak Kurdish in Turkey, or even Syria, and it's off with your head.

The comparasion doesn't really hold.

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to kill kurdish civilians

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jun 7 10:37:19 2008, in response to Re: Iran and Turkey team up to kill PKK terrorists, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jun 7 01:30:23 2008.

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title corrected. They don't use "smart bombs" when they shell and flatten whole villages.

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 7 11:45:11 2008, in response to Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jun 7 10:36:23 2008.

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In terms of land ownership it does. As usual, you utter some tangential point and want to cry "touche". Silly goose, you get a big goose egg.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 7 11:49:21 2008, in response to Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 7 01:48:37 2008.

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Post Spanish, pre US annexation:



your pal,
Fred



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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jun 8 00:29:26 2008, in response to Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 7 11:49:21 2008.

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all you had to do was pull out the Absolute ad

So, whose was it before Mexico? I can't keep my Chavez style talking points up. Is the land native american, or mexican?
I know our labor force aren't mexican-european, but they ain't exactly navajo's.

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 8 01:15:29 2008, in response to Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 7 11:49:21 2008.

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So you want to give it to the EU?

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 8 01:24:11 2008, in response to Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Jun 8 00:29:26 2008.

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Spanish prior to Mexico and Native American prior to that.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 8 01:25:20 2008, in response to Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 8 01:15:29 2008.

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I don't want to give it to anyone, much like a Turkish citizen posting to Turkish OTChat doesn't want to give land to anyone.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 8 01:29:27 2008, in response to Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 8 01:25:20 2008.

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Nobody's asking Turkey to give up any land.

The irony is that Iran's helping eradicate a terrorist organization. (Possibly.)

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Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds

Posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 8 01:46:40 2008, in response to Re: Iran and Turkey team up to slaughter Kurds, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 8 01:29:27 2008.

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Grand Concourse was, in his reply to me.

I guess even Iran has a list of terrorist organizations. Then again, one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

your pal,
Fred

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